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Isn't that Donald's dream? The Trump brand, visible from space in orbit ...

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Trump administration wants to turn the International Space Station (ISS) into a kind of orbiting real estate venture run not by the government, but by private industry.



he wants diet soda for breakfast too.

he's an idiot.

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here ya go, coming from an intelligence source.
again i say, they know we are over the brink and theyve screwed the pooch.

europe covers this as a daily conversation, climate, weather, reality.
ive got friends in diff places who all say climate is news Daily.
not here tho, we just get groped and gaslighted.


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/us-int ... te-change/
US intel chief issues warning about climate change
Agence France-Presse
13 Feb 2018 at 13:14 ET

The top US intelligence official issued a warning on Tuesday about the dangers of climate change in testimony that was seemingly at odds with the skepticism of President Donald Trump and other members of his administration.

“The impacts of the long-term trends toward a warming climate, more air pollution, biodiversity loss, and water scarcity are likely to fuel economic and social discontent — and possibly upheaval — through 2018,” said Dan Coats, the Director of National Intelligence.

“The past 115 years have been the warmest period in the history of modern civilization, and the past few years have been the warmest years on record,” Coats said in prepared remarks to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The intelligence chief did not directly attribute global warming to human activity in his annual Worldwide Threat Assessment report, but he starkly outlined the dangers of climate change.

“Extreme weather events in a warmer world have the potential for greater impacts and can compound with other drivers to raise the risk of humanitarian disasters, conflict, water and food shortages, population migration, labor shortfalls, price shocks, and power outages,” he said.

“Domestic policy responses to such issues will become more difficult — especially for democracies — as publics become less trusting of authoritative information sources,” he added.

Trump once derided global warming as a “hoax” and withdrew the United States from the Paris climate change agreement upon taking office.
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Scientists to explore an underwater world near Antarctica that's been hidden for 120,000 years

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A team of researchers, led by the British Antarctic Survey, is heading to Antarctica this week to investigate a mysterious marine ecosystem that’s been hidden underneath an Antarctic ice shelf for tens of thousands of years.

The ecosystem was suddenly uncovered when a massive iceberg sheared off from the Larsen Ice Shelf last July. The 1 trillion-ton iceberg, known as A-68, was twice of the volume of Lake Erie when it broke off.

The scientists will travel by ship to collect animal and plant samples from the newly exposed seabed, which covers an area of around 2,200 square miles. They will be in the area about three weeks.

“The calving of A-68 provides us with a unique opportunity to study marine life as it responds to a dramatic environmental change," said expedition leader Katrin Linse from the British Antarctic Survey

They need to get there in a hurry: "It’s important we get there quickly before the undersea environment changes as sunlight enters the water and new species begin to colonize," she said...........

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ok, so if the modern human walked out of africa and headed N NE NW and is the sppsd
link to human spreading on the planet...then, Who and Where did these 2legs come from.
where did they come from over 65,000years Earlier than modern 2leg.


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Earliest cave art belonged to Neanderthals, not humans: study
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The world’s oldest known cave art was crafted by Neanderthals more than 20,000 years before modern humans arrived in Europe,
showing that our extinct cousins were capable of symbolic thinking just like us,
international researchers said Thursday.

“Our results show that the paintings we dated are, by far, the oldest known cave art in the world.”

Since they were created some 64,000 years ago — at least 20,000 years before modern humans
arrived in Europe from Africa — “they must have been painted by Neanderthals,”
'he added.

Plenty of evidence already exists to debunk the myth that Neanderthals were knuckle-dragging brutes,
and instead were capable of decorative impulses and rituals, like burying their dead.

But cave paintings were one of the last bastions that appeared to differentiate anatomically modern humans
from Neanderthals, who died out some 35,000 years ago.

“Recent years have seen studies that show Neanderthals made extensive use of ornamental objects,
potentially built structures, and on the whole, appear far more capable of symbolic cognitive processes
than has historically been regarded,” Adam Van Arsdale, associate professor of anthropology at
Wellesley College, told AFP.

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Neanderthals by and large are far more interesting people than we were once led to believe. They also interbred with modern humans, so their better genes are in there somewhere.

Art is a lot older than we want to think it is. It was not invented by civilizations. The Natural History Museum in New York has some really old art, made from shells and such. It greatly predates the paintings of animals in the French caves, or those little statues of fertile women with huge boobs and not much else. Once again, we're not as special as most of us want to believe.

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imagine what these 2legs thot watching the night skies, the comets, the meteor trails, eclipses, having
no sense or cognition at all of what was happening.

we camped in utah canyonlands on Dead Horse Point...during haleys comet traveling across the night skies.
we were seeing it each nite that summer. in utah where the night skies are at least brilliant seeing that
comet trail was very cool...but we knew what it was.

its no wonder the old 2legs, the old humans, made up gods; how else do they deal with fears over
what is leaving fireball trails in the night. they didnt even know it was "sky".

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Neanderthals by and large are far more interesting people than we were once led to believe. They also interbred with modern humans, so their better genes are in there somewhere.

Art is a lot older than we want to think it is. It was not invented by civilizations. The Natural History Museum in New York has some really old art, made from shells and such. It greatly predates the paintings of animals in the French caves, or those little statues of fertile women with huge boobs and not much else. Once again, we're not as special as most of us want to believe.

No, we are not special per se. What we have is the capacity to conceive of the infinite. Unfortunately it is trapped in a finite body.

This more than anything has contributed to the enormous amounts of death and destruction visited by humans on themselves, animals and the planet. Our brains lack the ability to deal with these two thoughts: we will likely never know what is out there and we all must die.

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I have reservations with the species classification system were Neanderthals are classified as primates. I consider them to be human, Homo sapiens. And I don't think they're extinct.

The one I knew when I was growing up is dead now, but he had children. And I think his children have had children. And there are bound to more of them here and there than just that one I knew.


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Wyoming Bill Would Severely Punish Fossil Fuel Protesters

In Wyoming, state lawmakers have introduced a bill that would bring steep penalties to protesters who engage in civil disobedience aimed at halting fossil fuel extraction.

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Well, Cro-Magnons were homo sapiens, and they're all gone too. They actually had bigger brains than ours, though the story is that they weren't wired up as effectively.

Neanderthals, I can't say. There are rules for such things, though a lot of these come from Eurocentric physical anthropologists.

Far as Europe goes, it seems too coincidental to me that Neanderthals disappeared fairly soon after modern humans came in. Scientists don't guess, so they can't say why. People with degrees in movies guess all the time, and I can be quite confident that the modern humans killed them all off. They weren't like Us. Plain old racism, or in this case, species-ism.

Homo Sapiens have been killing one another pretty much for the sheer hell of it in Europe ever since.

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Cro-Magnons: homo sapiens sapiens. (That's us.)
Neanderthals: homo sapiens neandertalensis (although some argue homo neanderthalensis)
Then there's the "hobbits": homo floriensis

All three species in genus homo, hominid family, and order of primates.

They're all primates.

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they have found neanderthal DNA in living 2legs today.

denisovans originated in northern, now, russia. there is little doubt of mating between these
two groups and then homo sapiens. two came from northern latitudes while
you will notice on this map that nothing was related in africa.
so in answering my own question, the denisovan neanderthal connections were the 2legs
who came before those who headed north from africa.
denisovans neanderthals and home sapiens mated.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/
Everyone living outside of Africa today has a small amount of Neanderthal in them, carried as a living relic of these ancient encounters.

https://phys.org/news/2016-03-world-nea ... odern.html
A world map of Neanderthal and Denisovan ancestry in modern humans
March 28, 2016

Most non-Africans possess at least a little bit Neanderthal DNA. But a new map of archaic ancestry—published March 28 in Current Biology—suggests that many bloodlines around the world, particularly of South Asian descent, may actually be a bit more Denisovan, a mysterious population of hominids that lived around the same time as the Neanderthals. The analysis also proposes that modern humans interbred with Denisovans about 100 generations after their trysts with Neanderthals.

The Harvard Medical School/UCLA research team that created the map also used comparative genomics to make predictions about where Denisovan and Neanderthal genes may be impacting modern human biology. While there is still much to uncover, Denisovan genes can potentially be linked to a more subtle sense of smell in Papua New Guineans and high-altitude adaptions in Tibetans. Meanwhile, Neanderthal genes found in people around the world most likely contribute to tougher skin and hair.

"There are certain classes of genes that modern humans inherited from the archaic humans with whom they interbred, which may have helped the modern humans to adapt to the new environments in which they arrived," says senior author David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and the Broad Institute. "On the flip side, there was negative selection to systematically remove ancestry that may have been problematic from modern humans. We can document this removal over the 40,000 years since these admixtures occurred."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_h ... ern_humans
Archaic human admixture with modern humans is thought to have taken place through interbreeding between modern humans and Neanderthals, Denisovans, as well as other archaic humans over the course of the Middle Paleolithic.
Neanderthal-derived DNA accounts for an estimated 1–4% of the genome of modern Eurasian populations, but it is significantly absent or uncommon in the genome of most groups in Sub-Saharan Africa. Some researchers have suggested that the observed data might alternatively be explained by ancient subpopulation structure. In modern Oceanian and Southeast Asian populations, there is a relative increase of Denisovan-derived DNA....

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i didnt realize this but homo sapien, homo erectus, walked north out of africa.

recognizing the denisovans and then the eventual mating with neanderthals threw paleo science
into a fit, leaving homo sapiens in the dust for some time recently.

we were all taught "man" walked north from africa...as tho there was no other upright 2legs on the planet.
wrong again!

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denisovan (i keep adding an i in there) they were all over the place.


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In March 2010, scientists announced the discovery of a finger bone fragment of a juvenile female who lived about 41,000 years ago, found in the remote Denisova Cave in the Altai Mountains in Siberia, a cave that has also been inhabited by Neanderthals and modern humans.[4][5][6] The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of the finger bone showed it to be genetically distinct from Neanderthals and modern humans.[7] The nuclear genome from this specimen suggested that Denisovans shared a common origin with Neanderthals, that they ranged from Siberia to Southeast Asia, and that they lived among and interbred with the ancestors of some modern humans,[8] with about 3% to 5% of the DNA of Melanesians and Aboriginal Australians deriving from Denisovans.[9][10][11]

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the paleo science wurld is freaking over all these discoveries.
it means their old work needs updating and many dont want to.

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we also have to remember the changing climates over those 100,000 to millions of years, often
happening quickly.
2legs got stuck in places. many uprights were displaced with, or to, other groupings of 2legs.
each ice age sucked ocean waters up into ice sheets leaving Way More Land open to these
hunter gatherers. there is very little known as yet of All that lies buried beneath the oceans.

science has shown the mediterranean sea covers 100's and 100's of pre-existing metros towns
villages...people, uprights, all lived on that land now covered by the sea.
best i can tell the mediterranean sea was a whole lot of dirt some time ago. it was there but the
shoreline was Way expanded by comparison. life lived on that land. it also moved around from that land.

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This is the human "family tree" they currently have at the Natural History Museum.

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"Modern Humans" (us) probably have swaths of DNA from other "Humans" (Neanderthals, Denisovans, "Hobbits")

Floriensis seems to have been the only cousin to stick around until extremely recently.

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i have these tools and about 1000 more. i am one who insists this continent had more
2legs that ever previously considered.
i think 2legs have been walking the western americas for 100's of 1000's of years
not just recently. they had plenty of land bridges and there is NO reason why they would not walk here.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/science/25archeo.html
Spear Points Found in Texas Dial Back Arrival of Humans in America
MARCH 24, 2011
For many years, scientists have thought that the first Americans came here from Asia 13,000 years ago, during the last ice age, probably by way of the Bering Strait. They were known as the Clovis people, after the town in New Mexico where their finely wrought spear points were first discovered in 1929.

But in more recent years, archaeologists have found more and more traces of even earlier people with a less refined technology inhabiting North America and spreading as far south as Chile.

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science has insisted Australopithecus didnt use tools. like they couldnt bash something with a rock.
ridiculous!!

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Crows make and use tools. Orangutans are capable of a sort of abstract thought. Gorillas can talk, sort of. One had a vocabulary of something like 30 words, and used them at the right times. Conversation was by sign language.

We're just not that fricken special. God did not evolve everything else just to test what would make good H. Sap. Sap..

Interesting that H. sap. and Australopithecus diverged back around A. Africanus. A million years ago when I took physical anthro, they were still under the impression that it was a more direct line.

Rainwater is wise, and has a world class tool collection, from what I've seen. It's quite amazing what you can dig up. Here, it's Chumash pottery and tools, and fossils from when all of SoCal was a shallow sea bed. Rainwater is also right about the various climate changes of the upper Pleistocene into the Holocene/ Anthropocene/ whatever you call it at your house. There were several little ice ages which bound up a lot of water in glaciers. H. Sap or whoever was able to walk all over the northern hemisphere. There was also a major incentive for species that originated in Africa to evolve protection from frigid weather. (We still don't seem to be all that good at that. You can die out in the snow in New York. Here's a driver for technology.)

The point being that much of our religious dogma seems to be at odds with the fossil record, not to mention the archeological discoveries. Some white guy in the sky with male pattern baldness and B.O. between showers did not one day think He'd make some nice H. Sap. Sap. just like him. Yes, this causes part of the culture wars, even if evolution is more less the consensus now.

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Crows make and use tools. Orangutans are capable of a sort of abstract thought. Gorillas can talk, sort of. One had a vocabulary of something like 30 words, and used them at the right times. Conversation was by sign language.


Hockett found chimps and many other animals probably use about 9 'design features' of human language in their communication systems. Only humans have the final 7. That's probably due to Broca's Area and Wernicke's Area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockett%2 ... n_features

Chimps can sign about 200 discrete signs, form simple sentences, as as far as expressing what they want, with signs, they're as good as a five year old child. (That seems to be their limit.) They also use quite a bit of tools, too.

Chimps share 98% of our DNA, and they also are very social creatures, who form small bands and clans. They long ago figured out, not being all that strong or resilient, survival lay in cooperation and group coordination. Hunting, also foraging, food sharing, grooming. Oh, and I could talk about the bonobos.

Margaret Thatcher may not have believed in society, but our closest relatives literally have their survival dependent on it.

Social behavior, group hunting, pack formation, is very much a mammalian thing, but social cooperation seems to definitely be a hallmark of the hominids.

I don't kid about this - socialism is in our genes.

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if the denisovans were in siberia then they were also part of the bering land bridge, otherwise
known as...beringia. these guys were there. i was reading about the remains they Know are below
the seas up there stating how far the land was spread out and connected.

"Denisovans shared a common origin with Neanderthals, that they ranged from Siberia to Southeast Asia, and that they lived among and interbred with the ancestors of some modern humans,[8]''


id suggest that in any of the prior ice ages 2legs were Also on bering land bridges as they existed, as they
came and went with climates.
the beringia land mass was a temperate zone for much of its existence above the waters.
that all came and went too.
we have history on planet earth the few will ever realize. they find more every day with the
new varieties of tech that can see thru matter.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -of-years/
First Americans Lived on Bering Land Bridge for Thousands of Years---
Genetic evidence supports a theory that ancestors of Native Americans lived for 15,000 years on the Bering Land Bridge between Asia and North America until the last ice age ended---
By Scott Armstrong Elias, The Conversation on March 4, 2014

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btw...africa was a Most Advanced continent. they find massive megalithic structures beneath jungle
canopies there all the time now too.

most of mexico is, was, covered in large civilizations, or...towns. all hidden below something like new jungles
or new oceans.
true all over SAmerica as well.

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all these dates, times, periods, these 10,000 to 100,000+ dates are so limiting when you consider
they just found a teenage skull from over 7million years ago.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/7-m ... 187289.php
7 million-year-old skull startles anthropologists / It is by far the earliest human ancestor
By David Perlman Published 4:00 am, Thursday, July 11, 2002


then this:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 155015.htm
Plants colonized Earth 100 million years earlier than previously thought

February 19, 2018
University of Bristol
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A new study on the timescale of plant evolution has concluded that the first plants to colonize the Earth originated around 500 million years ago -- 100 million years earlier than previously thought.

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