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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:16 pm 
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Palestinian Teenager Ahed Tamimi's Trial Begins; Reporters Barred From Covering It
Judge decides to close the proceedings for 'Tamimi’s good' – despite her attorney's request

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The main part of Ahed Tamimi's trial, a Palestinian 17-year-old who was arrested after a video of her slapping an Israeli soldier went viral, began Tuesday in the military court at the Ofer base just outside Jerusalem.

At the beginning of the session, with many diplomats and journalists in attendance, the judge decided to close the proceedings for “Tamimi’s good” because she is still a minor.

Tamimi's attorney, Gaby Lasky, criticized the court for closing off proceedings. “In this case all the [hearings] on her arrest were held in open court. Even though the prosecution said they do not care we will be in open court, the [judge] decided to close the doors because he thinks it is bad for Ahed. I think that the [judge] does not think it is good for the court,” she told reporters.


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/pal ... -1.5811264


The Washington Post added this:

"Education Minister Naftali Bennett has said Nur and Ahed should finish their lives in prison."

Bennett is a strict school master. :|

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/is ... 7cc207af5b

The post's report begins with:

"OFER, West Bank — Slouching in her chair and mouthing messages to her friends and family from under a cascade of strawberry-blond curls, Ahed Tamimi in many ways appears to be an everyday teenager."

Covers this:

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Ahed grabbed media attention at age 11, when she shouted at Israeli soldiers after they detained her brother, raising her fist."

Michael Oren, an Israeli deputy minister and former ambassador to the United States, said that with the family rising in prominence, a probe was launched by a parliamentary subcommittee three years ago, to see whether they were real or actors picked for their Western looks. It’s a phenomenon he describes as “Pallywood.”

“Pallywood can be a very serious threat to us,” he said. “We looked at the Tamimis. Among the questions were: Are all these children Tamimis? Are they being directed?”


That probe's results were inconclusive, but Oren had this to add, "if children are being sent out by their parents to face off against Israeli soldiers then it amounts to “child abuse.”"


Un-huh, "child abuse." :|


I wonder if it was "child abuse" when soldiers shot 17 year old Mohammed Tamimi in the head with a rubber bullet. "He had part of his skull removed."

It wasn't long after that when soldiers entered their yard and Ahed Tamimi kicked and slapped them. That's probably why "Education Minister Naftali Bennett has said Nur and Ahed should finish their lives in prison."

Those Tamimi kids apparently refuse to learn their lessons. :|


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 pm 
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Pallywood...........................

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:16 pm 
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Let's hear for Israeli Freedom of the Press.

Running scared from 17-Year Old Girl.

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Pallywood...........................


Yeah, Pallywood. A right wing You Tuber In 2005, Richard Landes coined the word in 2005 when he produced an 18-minute video named Pallywood:

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Israelis call her ‘Shirley Temper.’ Palestinians call her a hero.

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JERUSALEM — Israelis call her ‘Shirley Temper’ and say she epitomizes ‘Pallywood,’ or Palestinian propaganda attempts to discredit Israel. Palestinians call her a hero, for fearlessly standing up to those who enforce the Israeli occupation of their land and those who terrorize her village.

Her real name is Ahed Tamimi. And a video of her confronting or provoking Israeli soldiers — depending on how you look at it — has gone viral.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 54aff5ae48

At the link you can watch two videos of Ahed Tamimi confronting soldiers, including the one which led to her arrest.


She might overthrow the Israeli government. :|


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Damn, that's a nice framing job.

Cool Resistance people - know your enemy. Don't let them own the language.

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Let's hear for Israeli Freedom of the Press.

Running scared from 17-Year Old Girl.


They have a lot to be afraid of. This isn't just more froth on the waves. This is one of the waves.


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They have a lot to be afraid of. This isn't just more froth on the waves. This is one of the waves.


Ain't that the truth. But this a cheap attempt at controlling the message.

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Israeli police said today there was enough evidence to indict Netanyahu.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/middleea ... index.html

One can hope. Can't speak for others on this board, but I will not miss him.

As for Naftali Bennett ... well, when the door hits him where the good lord splits him, that too will be a joyous day.

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Israeli police said today there was enough evidence to indict Netanyahu.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/middleea ... index.html

One can hope. Can't speak for others on this board, but I will not miss him.

As for Naftali Bennett ... well, when the door hits him where the good lord splits him, that too will be a joyous day.


Haaretz was basically saying that on the 7th. It wasn't officially announced like it has been today but all the details were in place.

Netanyahu interfering with the free press by colluding with Arnon Mozes to provided Netanyahu with positive coverage in Mozes's newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, in exchange for hurting its rival newspaper Israel Hayom, which is owned By Sheldon Adelson is interesting.

Netanyahu sponsored a bill that would prevent the free distribution of newspapers in Israel, and Israel Hayom is a free newspaper.

Adelson refuses to back Netanyahu now. I would imagine Adelson has sent editorial instructions to Israel Hayom about how to handle this issue. I would also imagine nickname for Israel Hayom, Bibiton, will change.



Of course I was interested in what Sheldon Adelson's Israel Hayom might have to say about it. :D

Clearly their poor little right wing feelings are hurt, they've been loyal Netanyahu toadies all along, and then to have him shaft them, favoring Yedioth Ahronoth over them!!! :o

Here's the link: http://www.israelhayom.com/archive/ Once you're there you have to open the edition and find the article. It's in the News section of the February 14th edition. Look for and click on "חדשות" then look for and click on "שוחד - ב שתי הפרשות".

This is a rough translation of the relevant part of that article from Hebrew:

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Promise: sympathetic coverage

According to the findings of the investigation into the case in 2000, Moses and the Prime Minister held talks with each other in 2009. The recordings show that since 2014, a number of meetings have taken place between them, in which the two discussed mutual assistance as a barter to promote their affairs. And in return it was agreed that Netanyahu would help promote the economic interests of the paper by initiating and supporting moves against the strength of the business competitor - Israel Hayom. A sympathetic coverage of the Prime Minister and using clear words in an unequivocal manner, And in return demanded that Netanyahu pass the law "Israel Today" (which was supposed to limit the circulation of the newspaper).

The findings of the investigation suggest that the parties took steps to promote one's interests toward the other, in accordance with the understandings reached between them, and that the agreement was not a misrepresentation, as the prime minister later claimed: The result, according to the police, is a clear "give and take" relationship.

At the end of 2013 and at the beginning of 2014, Knesset Member Eitan Cabel re-examined the "Israel Today Law." At the same time as the attempts to advance the law, the Prime Minister initiated steps and actions to help advance the law, The police are surprised that this was done contrary to Netanyahu's interest in continuing to receive sympathetic coverage in the newspaper. "The prime minister's claim that he tried to create a false representation of helping Moses, without actually doing anything, was refuted in the course of the investigation," it was claimed.

According to the investigation, the Prime Minister held a meeting at his home in which he asked relevant Knesset members to soften the wording of the bill in a way that would benefit Israel's competitors. According to the police, the prime minister turned to Shaldon Adelson (the owner of "Israel Today") to reduce the circulation of the newspaper and demanded that it not be distributed on weekends.

The investigation also revealed that when Moses sought to sell control of Yedioth, the prime minister mediated and worked with capitalists and sent them to the publisher as potential buyers. "He met with a number of businessmen and actively acted against them to promote the sale, in a way that would neutralize Moses ... in order to ensure his future coverage, under his hat as prime minister and minister of communications."

According to the police, even though a "give and take" exchange deal was created between the two sides, in practice it did not materialize, and therefore the offenses attributed are bribery and a proposal to give bribes.


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Israeli police said today there was enough evidence to indict Netanyahu.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/middleea ... index.html

One can hope. Can't speak for others on this board, but I will not miss him.

As for Naftali Bennett ... well, when the door hits him where the good lord splits him, that too will be a joyous day.


Sam Lefthand wrote:

Haaretz was basically saying that on the 7th. It wasn't officially announced like it has been today but all the details were in place.

Netanyahu interfering with the free press by colluding with Arnon Mozes to provided Netanyahu with positive coverage in Mozes's newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, in exchange for hurting its rival newspaper Israel Hayom, which is owned By Sheldon Adelson is interesting.

Netanyahu sponsored a bill that would prevent the free distribution of newspapers in Israel, and Israel Hayom is a free newspaper.

Adelson refuses to back Netanyahu now. I would imagine Adelson has sent editorial instructions to Israel Hayom about how to handle this issue. I would also imagine nickname for Israel Hayom, Bibiton, will change.



Of course I was interested in what Sheldon Adelson's Israel Hayom might have to say about it. :D

Clearly their poor little right wing feelings are hurt, they've been loyal Netanyahu toadies all along, and then to have him shaft them, favoring Yedioth Ahronoth over them!!! :o

Here's the link: http://www.israelhayom.com/archive/ Once you're there you have to open the edition and find the article. It's in the News section of the February 14th edition. Look for and click on "חדשות" then look for and click on "שוחד - ב שתי הפרשות".


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...But this a cheap attempt at controlling the message.

While you are on the topic of 'controlling the message', you may be interested in this report from the trial.


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While you are on the topic of 'controlling the message', you may be interested in this report from the trial.


That's an interesting report. It doesn't provide any new details about that case, but it does reinforce my feeling that this case is not froth on the waves, it is one of the waves.

Clearly the article was trying to shift the focus from the case, to the interest in the case, and convey an attitude that people who can't speak the Hebrew language can't understand the case. Which is an odd stance for a paper which publishes in English, Arabic, French, Chinese, and Persian, to take.

The title is Tamimi trial proves to be a spectacle for mostly foreign eyes.
The subtitle is, "Determination of international reporters, diplomats and activists to hear Palestinian teen's story collides with their inability to understand languages in which it's being told".



A language barrier issue I don't have. :)



The story conveys an attitude of "we're fine, it's these foreigners who are "out of line." The story used 8 paragraphs to develop and exploit a point about who was literally "in line," and who was literally "out of line" prior to the beginning of the hearing.

Then it mentioned Tamimi’s birthday in prison.

Basically the article was a wad of fluff, the story inside of the story was what was not covered, and the degree to which it attempted to change the subject from the news, to it being a story about the news. :|


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What little I have learned about this case is from a friend who still has family in to Ramallah. She gets both the Israeli and Palestinian News from her brother. This young woman's only real offense is opposing the ongoing Israeli Occupation.

She slapped a solider of the Occupation, how dare she do that.

She is not a real Palestinian because of the color of her hair....like that matters.

Meanwhile the big story is Netanyahu being indicited. But OMMFG....A Blonde Palestinian Girl Slapped a solider...the world ends.

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What little I have learned about this case is from a friend who still has family in to Ramallah. She gets both the Israeli and Palestinian News from her brother. This young woman's only real offense is opposing the ongoing Israeli Occupation.

She slapped a solider of the Occupation, how dare she do that.

She is not a real Palestinian because of the color of her hair....like that matters.

Meanwhile the big story is Netanyahu being indicited. But OMMFG....A Blond Palestinian Girl Slapped a solider...the world ends.
I don't think you've learned much. She and her family have a long history of activism, terror (not her but other relatives) and incitement. By all accounts (you can look at the video) the soldier/security officer did not respond to her violence against him. (When you go out today, try assaulting an officer in Marin County, where tensions aren't so great. Lets see what happens).

But in any case I wasn't criticizing or commenting on her. I was providing additional information on 'controlling the message,' at topic you brought up. Not sure whether you read the article (of course thats your choice, read or don't)>

As per her hair color...in case people don't know what you are referring to, one Israeli parliamentarian wanted to look into rumors that her family was not really Palestinian....but that's completely irrelevant. I suspect what is not irrelevant is that she is a cute 17 year old girl, that makes this very photogenic. We know, from videos of her activities, that (at the behest of her parents) she has been assaulting officers once the cameras turn on for years.


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That's an interesting report. It doesn't provide any new details about that case, but it does reinforce my feeling that this case is not froth on the waves, it is one of the waves.
Well, the article wasn't really focused on the case. There's plenty of coverage on that, both in TOI, Haaretz and a lot of other sources. What it was about was the attention this has received. And it wasn't so much critical of the widespread coverage as it was the gaggle of reporters, 'diplomats' (actually interns sent from foreign embassies) and other activists who were disruptive, couldn't understand what was said, and didn't seem to care that they couldn't. (they certainly could have brought interpreters. It was no surprise that the trial would be in Arabic and Hebrew.) Plus, if you don't like Israel, it even make the point of another young person with similar charges against him, whom they ignore because he didn't have a camera there and wasn't as photogenic.


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