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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:58 pm 
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There is a cerain member who attempting to hijack another thread (which he is well known for btw) about a Religious School censoring a student. According to this member, the Progressives of this forum bad mouth, malign, denegate and heap disrespect upon the poor, misunderstood Christian Conservative.

So here the thread for him to use to set us straight. But he should know facts over supposition and conjecture will help more than empty words and useless phrases.

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Which member are you talking about? That way could go back and look at their posts in order to see what and whom you are speaking about.

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For the record, I'm quite against Muslim theocratic governments, as well. It's not a problem we face in the U.S. - Christian Reconstructionists and Dominionists are a more imminent danger, but since I've been asked, I'm against theocracy of all versions, whether put forth by ministers, ayatollahs, or rabbis.

I have criticized treatments of LGBT people by Muslims. Even more risky on some liberal boards, I've even been critical when the persecutors are Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

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For the record, I'm quite against Muslim theocratic governments, as well. It's not a problem we face in the U.S. - Christian Reconstructionists and Dominionists are a more imminent danger, but since I've been asked, I'm against theocracy of all versions, whether put forth by ministers, ayatollahs, or rabbis.

I have criticized treatments of LGBT people by Muslims. Even more risky on some liberal boards, I've even been critical when the persecutors are Hamas in the Gaza Strip.


That is what gets me. we read post after post of people trashing the shortcomings of the Christian Faith. Not to mention the constant mocking of it. But, we never see a post that is critical of the Muslim Faith. Or if we do it is very rare. I find it hypocritical of those people here who do that.

Does the Christian Faith have shortcomings, you bet it does. But, lets not ignore that on the other side of the World there are a handful of countries who stone Gays to death. Who treat women as if it were the 14th century. Whose people have no civil rights and they do so in the name of their religion.

It gets very tedious at times to read post after post trashing Christians and the Christian Faith by people who ignore and defend what is happening in the world under the name of Islam.

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But, lets not ignore that on the other side of the World there are a handful of countries who stone Gays to death.


Unfortunately, glen, some of the people who seem to be working on convincing the Ugandan government to execute gay people, appear to be American Christian ministers.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... aw-uganda/

Pastor Lively also seems to have "helped" the Russians pass their anti-LGBT laws, too.

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Unfortunately, glen, some of the people who seem to be working on convincing the Ugandan government to execute gay people, appear to be American Christian ministers.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... aw-uganda/

Pastor Lively also seems to have "helped" the Russians pass their anti-LGBT laws, too.


There is no doubt that people bastardize all religions. I really cant figure out why people today are so opposed to gays. It makes no sense on any level.

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So-Called "Christian" Conservatives are among the worst of the hypocrites out there. They preach the word of their mystical/magical non-existent skyman and how wonderful his world could be.....if we only lived our lives they wanted.

They ignore immorality when it suits their purpose. Cry about discrmination while practicing their own dam immorality every damn day.

Never mind the immorality of Man who grabs women by their vagina, pervs out on 10-Year Old girls, walk through dressing room of girls as young 13-Years Old while they naked.....he is moral a man to them.

He can cheat on his wife and it does not matter. He can fuck a porn star and they do not care.

They can shove their morals up their asses.

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So-Called "Christian" Conservatives are among the worst of the hypocrites out there. They preach the word of their mystical/magical non-existent skyman and how wonderful his world could be.....if we only lived our lives they wanted.

They ignore immorality when it suits their purpose. Cry about discrmination while practicing their own dam self.

Never mind the immorality of Man who grabs women by their vagina, pervs out on 10-Year Old girls, walk through dressing room of girls as young 13-Years Old while they naked.....he is moral man to them.

He can cheat on his wife and it does not matter. He can fuck a porn star and they do not care.

They can shove their morals up their asses.


Spoken with the same passion as a klansman talking about African Americans. Showing that even on your own [callout] thread you can't speak about the Christian Faith without being insulting and disrespectful. It is possible to have a discussion about religion without the my way is so superior chip on your shoulder.

My question would be do you believe the same about those who practice the Muslim Faith?

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Spoken with the same passion as a klansman talking about African Americans.


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Klan, alt-right, neo-nazi, and garden variety racist white racist conservative/confederate vigilante violence against African Americans is Christian-on-Christian crime.

You guys are the worst mass murderers on this continent. You are not victims, you are perps.

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Spoken with the same passion as a klansman talking about African Americans. Showing that even on your own [callout] thread you can't speak about the Christian Faith without being insulting and disrespectful. It is possible to have a discussion about religion without the my way is so superior chip on your shoulder.

My question would be do you believe the same about those who practice the Muslim Faith?


think the problem is trying to pass off conservatism and supremacist order as christianity, would be the same if you used getting hit in the face with a shovel to represent christian faith, a lot of people don't like that
(getting hit in the face with a shovel) and would react by shunning and criticizing it just the same.

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How come so many white conservative Christian family values traditional family males are violent wifebeaters, philanderers, and slavedriving human traffickers?

Perhaps it's something in their culture?

Felony prostitution-related charges filed against Sen. Ralph Shortey - KOKO

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The Cleveland County District Attorney's Office on Thursday filed three felony charges against State Sen. Ralph Shortey.

Shortey has been charged with three felony counts, including,

Engaging in child prostitution
Engaging in prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church.
Transporting minor for prostitution/lewdness.

Moore police presented charges to the DA on Wednesday.

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Boo hoo it is sooooo difficult to be a violent white christian con in America!

Evangelicals, Having Backed Trump, Find White House ‘Front Door Is Open’ - NYT

Filthy, gay-hating, woman-hating, minority-hating Christian fascist bigots.

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Haha look at these dirty white conservative confederates..

National Review/Dennis Prager, who is himself another high-stepping fascist: A Defense of Evangelicals Who Support Trump

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I believe these attacks are not biblical, moral, or wise. Religious Christians and Jews who support Trump understand that the character of a public leader is quite often less important than his policies. This is so obvious that only the naïve think otherwise. Character is no predictor of political leadership on behalf of moral causes. I wish it were. Then, in any political contest, we would simply have to determine who the better person is and vote accordingly.


Conservative Evangelical confederates and their pliant, wannabe admirers are some of the most dishonest, opportunistic chislers on the planet.

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There is a cerain member who attempting to hijack another thread (which he is well known for btw) about a Religious School censoring a student. According to this member, the Progressives of this forum bad mouth, malign, denegate and heap disrespect upon the poor, misunderstood Christian Conservative.

So here the thread for him to use to set us straight. But he should know facts over supposition and conjecture will help more than empty words and useless phrases.


Conservative Evangelicals are some of the world's most miserable snowflakes, believing they are entitled to the biggest and best of everything due to something as arbitrary as their lifestyle choice and, for the white ones, their skin color.

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That is what gets me. we read post after post of people trashing the shortcomings of the Christian Faith. Not to mention the constant mocking of it. But, we never see a post that is critical of the Muslim Faith. Or if we do it is very rare. I find it hypocritical of those people here who do that.

Does the Christian Faith have shortcomings, you bet it does. But, lets not ignore that on the other side of the World there are a handful of countries who stone Gays to death. Who treat women as if it were the 14th century. Whose people have no civil rights and they do so in the name of their religion.

It gets very tedious at times to read post after post trashing Christians and the Christian Faith by people who ignore and defend what is happening in the world under the name of Islam.


Glen doesn't understand why he can't attack Muslims. Or rather, he wonders why he gets into trouble when he does. He wants us to say, sure man, go ahead.

Poor Glen.

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Glen doesn't understand why he can't attack Muslims. Or rather, he wonders why he gets into trouble when he does. He wants us to say, sure man, go ahead.

Poor Glen.


Being a white conservative Evangelical Christian is the toughest thing to do in the whole entire world!

It's very difficult when you can't just kill off the people who are supposed to bow down to you when they won't anymore!

It's so hard to find good help these days, too. It's not fair!

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Does the Christian Faith have shortcomings, you bet it does. But


Nah, no "buts".

All of us on this board live in the Unites States, not abroad.

All of us on this board have to deal with these feckless, violent Evangelical white cons whose worst-case-scenario leadership -- Graham, Falwell, Robertson, Jefress, White, and of course Pretty Daddy Mike -- now party in the White House with that foul-mouthed orange bottle-blond racist your friends and relatives voted for.

When the office of the POTUS establishes an Shariah Advisory Board like donald trump's Evangelical Advisory Board, come talk to me.

Until then, you guys started this, and you're going to finish it. We are never going to give you "personal responsibility" types a free pass on your poor political decisions and religious-fascist tendencies that propelled this dumb confederate into the White House.

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That is what gets me. we read post after post of people trashing the shortcomings of the Christian Faith. Not to mention the constant mocking of it. But, we never see a post that is critical of the Muslim Faith. Or if we do it is very rare. I find it hypocritical of those people here who do that.

Does the Christian Faith have shortcomings, you bet it does. But, lets not ignore that on the other side of the World there are a handful of countries who stone Gays to death. Who treat women as if it were the 14th century. Whose people have no civil rights and they do so in the name of their religion.

It gets very tedious at times to read post after post trashing Christians and the Christian Faith by people who ignore and defend what is happening in the world under the name of Islam.


I don't make a habit of trashing people of faith. Some here do.

Insofar as what you see here keep in mind the adage of the squeaky wheel getting the grease. Christian people are the majority in the US, and because of that Christian Faith issues are up front close and personal.

Muslims make up a tiny part of our population, and Muslim Faith issues are distant concerns.

It's more then likely that which sets the prevailing tone around here than it is something contrived and prejudicial.


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But Mulims!!

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Homestead-Area Pastor Denies Lewdness, Indecent Exposure Accusations - KDKA

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A Homestead-area pastor is being accused of open lewdness and indecent exposure, but he says what police say happened is not what really happened.

Officers were sent to the 800 block of Beechland Street around 11:30 p.m. Friday for a report of a suspicious vehicle parked outside of a home.

According to a criminal complaint, when the officers arrived on the scene, they could see two men inside the vehicle. Police say one man — identified as 61-year-old George Nelson Gregory, of Munhall — was in the back seat, and the other man was completely naked and bound with nylon rope in the front seat.

The criminal complaint says when officers asked what was going on, Gregory told the officers that they “were just playing” and he and the other man “meet up from time to time to play with each other.” The other man confirmed that what they were doing was consensual.

The man who reported the suspicious vehicle told police that at one point, he saw the second man get out of the vehicle without any clothes on, and he was concerned because the car was parked outside his daughter’s window.

Gregory allegedly told the officers he thought they were in a private place, and when an officer said their vehicle was on a well-lit public street in clear view of several homes, Gregory told police, “I know.”

Gregory, however, says none of that is true and “that conversation never happened.”

“I have nothing to hide. I did nothing wrong,” Gregory said.

He says they were approached by police because they “thought somebody had passed out or something, that’s what the call was.”

“I was counseling a young man with a drug problem,” Gregory said. “It did turn strange, but it wasn’t my doing, OK? And I was adamant that I’m not participating in that way. And so that’s when the police pulled up, and they assume things, but I’m standing by my story. It’s not true.”


Uh-huh.

Moral of this story: when a conservative Evangelical male seeks to "counsel" you, run! (While you still can!!)

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I don't make a habit of trashing people of faith. Some here do.

Insofar as what you see here keep in mind the adage of the squeaky wheel getting the grease. Christian people are the majority in the US, and because of that Christian Faith issues are up front close and personal.

Muslims make up a tiny part of our population, and Muslim Faith issues are distant concerns.

It's more then likely that which sets the prevailing tone around here than it is something contrived and prejudicial.

That is very true. It's not Muslims that are here introducing laws to make me live my life according to their religious views. And let's make no mistake - if the Christian fundamentalists had their way, we would have a theocracy every bit as severe and repressive as Iran or Saudi Arabia.

There is no democracy in the Bible. There is no representative government. There is no rights of the citizens. Only divine right of kings. That's why the right hates our government, and that's why they love Trump. They want an authoritarian King.


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How come so many white conservative Christian family values traditional family males are violent wifebeaters, philanderers, and slavedriving human traffickers?

Perhaps it's something in their culture?

Felony prostitution-related charges filed against Sen. Ralph Shortey - KOKO



How hard do you think it would be to do a google search and find individuals in the Black,Gay,liberal communities doing bad things.
Shortly is a bad person and if guilty will be punished for his crimes. You linking his crimes to any group as a whole is as ignorant as those in the rw community who would believe that because some gays are bad people and do bad things all gays are bad people.

Fact is because there are millions of rw ers some are going to be bad people. Exactly the same as Blacks ,Gays and lesbians.

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I think the issue is, Christians seem to want to dictate to everybody else how to live "morally," but that seems hypocritical when they don't live as they preach, and with Trump, seem to think it's perfectly fine the leader of our country lives that way, too.

OK ... but then stop telling the rest of us how to live our lives your way (that you don't live up to yourselves) ... that's all.

So Donald Trump is going to be the person to promote the sanctity of marriage? Let me go vomit.

I don't see gays trying to make other people gay, Blacks telling whites to eat soul food, etc. That's the difference. In many cases, they can't just live their lives because "Christians" want to tell them how to live.

And for me, what's most vomit-inducing is when Christians are told they can't tell other people how to live their lives, that's them being "oppressed" and taking away their "religious freedom". :roll:

Find abortion immoral? OK, you and your wife, don't have one. Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry gay. Problem solved, and live your own life, only.

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So now from the mystery poster, in addition to "both parties do it" we get a momentarily "both religions do it." Which will last until in another thread he says "no only they do it, we don't do it."

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I called no one out glen, to do so is a violation of Forum Rules. So on that count you are a liar and you know it.

Nor am I in anyway, shape and/or form a "Klansman". That is a personal attack against me. You started a thread where you decried members attacking one another and here you doing exactly that. So much for you wanting to play by rules that you set up.

What you refuse to accept or understand glen, is that Freedom of Religion means exactly that. Your Right to Worship Your Version of Your god is a Constitutionally Protected Right. That also means that Muslims have that self same Right. They have the same Right to Worship their Version of Their god Their way. That is what you do not want to undersand or accept.

It also means, and you might want to sit for this one glen, THAT I have Right to Freedom From Religion. I make my own conscience choice to NOT want a Mystical, Magical Non-Existent Skyman in my life. I do not have to worship if I do not want to and I DO NOT WANT TO.

Being a so-called "Christian" does not endow a person with great and all encompassing secret to leading a moral life. Some of the most immoral people I have ever met called themself "Christian", while at the same time practicing their own brand hate and sexual immorality.

I have no reason to be afraid of my Muslim Neighbors, they are really nice kind and loving people. They are the one's living in fear of beaten, arrested and jailed. I have never been verbally abused or physically assaulted by a Muslim glen, I cannot say the same for so-called "Christians" who have heaped their abuse upon me, if for no other reason than I do not be a "Christian".

It was a so-called "Christian" that bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City glen.

It was a so-called "Christian" that bombed the Atlanta Olympic Games glen.

It was a so-called "Christian" that shot Dr. Tiller in back while he was in church glen.

It was a so-called "Christian" that shotgunned a Pro-Choice Doctor and his bodyguard in Florida glen.

Do not lecture anyone of the poor put upon discirminated Christian glen, when you accept and condone racism, homophobia, islamophobia and sexual perversion within your own party.

I do not give two shits about how you worship glen, I never have. But I do not have to accept or condone racism, homophobia, islamophobia and seuxal perversion from anyone, including that 5-Deferment Draft Dodging Cadet Bone Spur, that is totally on you.

Keep your fucking god to your fucking self glen.

You push you god on others, expect push back.

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Poor misbegotten United States, wishing to avoid the atrocities of the European Reformation by separating church and state, then adding "under God" to the pledge and "In God We Trust" to everything else.

US conservative evangelicals know they won't have the votes to change the constitution and allow an "establishment of religion" like the High Church in England. So they work on people's minds. They're so goddam persecuted. Oh, but they're persecuted. They're just beside themselves on how persecuted they are.

Then they want the full freedom to save souls from their conveniently concocted eternal damnation, and get people's wallets on the way out, while suppressing everyone else. Sometimes they wear funny robes with crosses on them while they persecute other ethnic groups. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. In God we trust, the rest we kill.

Christian evangelists get so upset over the idea that Muslims consider them infidels. Then they tell everyone else in the world to get with Jesus, or else. Poo. It's all about power, and that's all there is to it.

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