Ivana Trump's grave is overgrown and forgotten

[gounion]

She only died just over a year ago.

The Daily Mail has the story. The grave plot is overgrown and the cheap-ass flat marker is barely visible. At the time it was pointed out that Trump was using it as a tax dodge, calling the resort a "graveyard". Our conservatives, of course, defended the action.

And, according to the article, a bigger gravestone would be erected when the ground settled. Which, of course, is bullshit.

I can see Donald not giving a shit, but you would think ONE of the three children would ensure the gravesite was treated with respect.

Looks like they're all just like daddy. No human caring in any way, shape or form.

[gounion]

Just a reminder - https://www.salon.com/2022/08/02/gravey ... perts-say/

The gravesite for Ivana Trump, Donald Trump's ex-wife who passed away last month, could mean a tax windfall for the former president, who owns the New Jersey golf course on which she is buried.

Ivana Trump, who was buried in Bedminster, a New Jersey township home to the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster, died of blunt impact injuries at 73 after falling down a staircase in her Manhattan home last month. The New York Post reported that her funeral was held "not too far from the main clubhouse."

According to ProPublica, the Trump family trust previously worked to establish a non-profit funeral business in Hackettstown, New Jersey, located just twenty miles from Ivana Trump's gravesite. That business, if operational, is "exempt from the payment of any real estate taxes, rates and assessments or personal property taxes on lands and equipment dedicated to cemetery purposes," according to the New Jersey tax code. However, reports suggest that by burying his ex-wife on the course, Trump might be able to reclassify his golf course as a cemetery, qualifying the estate for those same exemptions.

*snip*

"As a tax researcher, I was skeptical of rumors Trump buried his ex-wife in that sad little plot of dirt on his Bedminster, NJ golf course just for tax breaks," tweeted Brooke Harrington, a professor of sociology at Dartmouth. "So I checked the NJ tax code & folks...it's a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated."

Harrington added that there is "no stipulation regarding a minimum # of human remains necessary for the tax breaks to kick in--looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish."

[Ted]

The neglected gravesite is very unfortunate and I hope it is addressed soon.

Has anyone been able to substantiate the claim that she was only buried there for tax purposes? I've seen lots of conjecture about this but nothing to back it up.

[gounion]

The neglected gravesite is very unfortunate and I hope it is addressed soon.

Has anyone been able to substantiate the claim that she was only buried there for tax purposes? I've seen lots of conjecture about this but nothing to back it up.

I don't think it's publicly available info in the state.

But you're not surprised that the Trump's don't care about the gravesite, are you? I mean, they could just have the groundskeepers attend to it - it's not like Donald needs to lift a finger. And not replacing the marker with a real gravestone also just shows they don't care. Not even the kids.

I mean, after my parents passed, while I was living in town, I visited occasionally, kinda often in the first year or two. And we made sure that dad's date was put in after he passed - they were a single gravestone for the both of them. After I left town, there were years that I didn't go back. A year ago, when my wife and I was in town, we went to visit. It's a nice, well-kept cemetery.

I think that's kinda normal for people. But no one ever called the Trumps "normal".

[Toonces]

I think he'd be more concerned about what's growing there, it could be Document Trees.

[Glennfs]

I don't think it's publicly available info in the state.

But you're not surprised that the Trump's don't care about the gravesite, are you? I mean, they could just have the groundskeepers attend to it - it's not like Donald needs to lift a finger. And not replacing the marker with a real gravestone also just shows they don't care. Not even the kids.

I mean, after my parents passed, while I was living in town, I visited occasionally, kinda often in the first year or two. And we made sure that dad's date was put in after he passed - they were a single gravestone for the both of them. After I left town, there were years that I didn't go back. A year ago, when my wife and I was in town, we went to visit. It's a nice, well-kept cemetery.

I think that's kinda normal for people. But no one ever called the Trumps "normal".

I've had a handful of family deaths recently as I am to that age. Today as I drove past a graveyard I was thinking about what s waste of time and money they are.



As for Trump if he wasn't going to maintain it he should not have buried her there. I truly don't know Trump's motivation for putting her there but I will guarantee you it wasn't out of respect or grief.

I've shown my kids where to put my cremains and let them know I don't want to be pestered with any visits afterwards.

If any of you want to dance on my grave I will be here and prefer a conga line or the bunny hop...no disco


http://www.wirtcounty.net/Cemeteries/Pr ... 20Main.htm

[gounion]

My wife and I will be cremated. I agree with you that burial is an ancient custom that has no reasonable place in our world today. My parents had bought their burial plots ahead of time. They bought one for me too, but I won't be joining them.

But this story just shows what truly horrible people the entire Trump family is.

[Glennfs]

My wife and I will be cremated. I agree with you that burial is an ancient custom that has no reasonable place in our world today. My parents had bought their burial plots ahead of time. They bought one for me too, but I won't be joining them.

But this story just shows what truly horrible people the entire Trump family is.

You should donate that plot to some poor family or the victim of a tragedy

[gounion]

You should donate that plot to some poor family or the victim of a tragedy

I do that quite often.

[Number6]

The neglected gravesite is very unfortunate and I hope it is addressed soon.

Has anyone been able to substantiate the claim that she was only buried there for tax purposes? I've seen lots of conjecture about this but nothing to back it up.

Per snopes.com, the claim is substantiated.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivana ... ave-weeds/

[Ted]

Per snopes.com, the claim is substantiated.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivana ... ave-weeds/

Did I miss something in the link about the tax exemption claim?

[gounion]

Did I miss something in the link about the tax exemption claim?

Donald Trump has always been a crooked person. I mean, he even lied about the size of his residence in Trump Tower. So, though the claim isn't proved, why would you think Trump WOULDN'T take such a exemption. I mean, he's bragged about having lots of lawyers to ensure he doesn't pay any taxes.

[Bludogdem]

“ No, Trump Can’t Take Tax Breaks for Where His Ex-Wife Was Buried”

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insig ... was-buried#

[gounion]

“ No, Trump Can’t Take Tax Breaks for Where His Ex-Wife Was Buried”

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insig ... was-buried#

Funny how you ALWAYS come to Donald Trump's rescue.

[bradman]

Did I miss something in the link about the tax exemption claim?

This is the closest i could come to confirming the tax breaks so far....

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-i ... nt-1730396

The document shared by New Jersey Treasury about the state's tax laws says that authorized "cemetery companies" may receive "tax exemptions in recognition of the vital public health and welfare benefits cemeteries provide."

These exemptions include "real Property Taxes on lands dedicated to cemetery purposes, Income Taxes, Sales and Use Taxes, Business Taxes and Inheritance Taxes."

It continues: "Cemetery property is exempt from sale for collection of judgments. Cemetery trust funds and trust income are exempt from tax and exempt from sale or seizure for collection of judgments against the cemetery company."

That last sentence is crucial because the Trump Family Trust did indeed have a cemetery company authorized by the New Jersey State Cemetery Board in 2016.

Documents shared with Newsweek by the New Jersey Attorney General's Office show an "Application for Certificate of Authority from the New Jersey Cemetery Board."

The application states the proposed cemetery would be "a private family cemetery and is limited to ten plots reserved for Donald Trump and members of his immediate family."

A spokesperson for the New Jersey Attorney General's Office said: "In 2014, the Trump Family Trust (aka TFT, Inc.) applied to the New Jersey State Cemetery Board (the Board) to obtain a certificate of authority to dedicate and operate a cemetery company on a 5700-square-foot section of the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, NJ.

"The application limited the parcel's usage as a private, 10-plot cemetery for Donald Trump and members of his family. After determining that TFT Inc. had satisfied all the requirements for obtaining a Certificate of Authority to operate a cemetery company in New Jersey—including obtaining a resolution of approval from the local land use authority—the Board granted Certificate of Authority #434 on February 4, 2016.

"As a designated cemetery company, a burial at this location is permitted. The Board has not received any subsequent applications for a cemetery company in Bedminster."

Newsweek understands that any tax exempt status resulting from a cemetery designation would apply to the 5700-square-foot parcel of land only.

The question remains: Is this a tax ploy?

while Trump Family Trust did have a cemetery company authorized by the New Jersey State Cemetery Board in 2016, i don't know for sure if he has registered Ivana's burial site as a cemetery yet.

[bradman]

“ No, Trump Can’t Take Tax Breaks for Where His Ex-Wife Was Buried”

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insig ... was-buried#

From the article....

While there might appear to be substantiation to the claims of massive tax benefits at face value by reading NJ Publication ANJ-22, a deeper analysis based on New Jersey statute and public information reveals that as of right now, Trump National Golf Club Bedminster does not qualify and is not provided the tax benefits of being a cemetery company.

[bold] As of right now. That doesn't mean he can't apply and have it approved in the future.

The original cemetery company that Trump did have approved seems to be some miles from the golf course.(?)

[Ted]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html



It looks like there could be two cemetery sites that might become tax exempt properties which would be appropriate since only the cemetery sites, not the entire golf course property, would qualify for the tax exemption.

[Glennfs]

Funny how you ALWAYS come to Donald Trump's rescue.

So how is posting information defending Trump?

[gounion]

So how is posting information defending Trump?

Only the links and information that defends Trump. That’s how.

[bradman]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html


It looks like there could be two cemetery sites that might become tax exempt properties which would be appropriate since only the cemetery sites, not the entire golf course property, would qualify for the tax exemption.

That's more or less what i was reading. Kinda a big what to do about nothing.

From previous reading the Newsweek link i did find this interesting though.......

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-i ... nt-1730396

But, in this case, the savings would hardly be worth the trouble. That’s because Trump had already found a way to lower his taxes on that wooded, largely unused parcel. He had persuaded the township to declare it a farm, because some trees on the site are turned into mulch. Because of pro-farmer tax policies, Trump’s company pays just $16.31 per year in taxes on the parcel, which he bought for $461,000.

A farm on a multi million dollar golf course........ ooooo...k. For mulch yet.

[edit] which makes me wonder. How the hell do ya turn tree's into mulch? Wood chips maybe. But mulch? More than anything it sounds like Trump found a way to get rid of yard waste without having to pay for it.

In the mean time, the very least he and his kids could do is clean up Ivana's resting place. Maybe a flower or two fer crist sake.

[Bludogdem]

That's more or less what i was reading. Kinda a big what to do about nothing.

From previous reading the Newsweek link i did find this interesting though.......

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-i ... nt-1730396

A farm on a multi million dollar golf course........ ooooo...k. For mulch yet.

[edit] which makes me wonder. How the hell do ya turn tree's into mulch? Wood chips maybe. But mulch? More than anything it sounds like Trump found a way to get rid of yard waste without having to pay for it.

In the mean time, the very least he and his kids could do is clean up Ivana's resting place. Maybe a flower or two fer crist sake.

It’s a golf course! You’d think the Groundskeeper would be offended and simply fix it up and make presentable.

[gounion]

It’s a golf course! You’d think the Groundskeeper would be offended and simply fix it up and make presentable.

Yep. It just goes to show the contempt the Trump family has. I mean, they don't pay their lawyers, why would they spend any money to put in an actual headstone and get the groundskeepers to mow there too.

[bradman]

It’s a golf course! You’d think the Groundskeeper would be offended and simply fix it up and make presentable.

I'm fairly certain it's in the works.

In the mean time, how the hell do ya get a farm exemption for a multi million dollar golf course?

[Bludogdem]

I'm fairly certain it's in the works.

In the mean time, how the hell do ya get a farm exemption for a multi million dollar golf course?

You split the acreage for two purposes. In this case a 244 acre golf course. And a 119 acre farm. Goats graze on the farm. The farm qualifies for the farmland assessment reduction with the goats and all. Pays $700 a year in taxes on the farm. Without the goats it would be $51,000. The golf course pays $400,000 per year.

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics ... 370363.cms

[gounion]

You split the acreage for two purposes. In this case a 244 acre golf course. And a 119 acre farm. Goats graze on the farm. The farm qualifies for the farmland assessment reduction with the goats and all. Pays $700 a year in taxes on the farm. Without the goats it would be $51,000. The golf course pays $400,000 per year.

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics ... 370363.cms

Always here to defend The Donald. Doesn't matter if what you spew is true or not, but The Donald must ALWAYS be defended!

Now tell us how it was okay to lie about the size of his penthouse in Trump Tower. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewitho ... 17e35258ec