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I know I will if you will. However keep in mind that hijacking or trolling a thread while in some cases obvious is mostly it is highly subjective and lays more in the eyes of the beholder.

In most cases I find that threads have legs of their own and I find it very entertaining and enlightening to see where they go. We or at least I seem to learn more from threads that start on one topic and then wind up in an entirely different place. I find it more to be evolution of a thread than anything else.

But, other than that it sure would be nice to get back to a civil discussions about various topics. as opposed to all the fuck you and comments such as that we read on pretty close to every thread.

Now having said all of that I am going to break a rule and do a call out, although in a respectful manner. We have one poster here who to my knowledge has never broken any rule. He is always respectful and always gets his point across in a thoughtful manner. That poster is ProfessorX. If we decide as a group to go back to at least attempting to following the rules his is the example we should collectively choose to follow.

Finally, if you disagree that we should behave in the adult and respectful manner that this board was set up to do. Then for goodness sakes don't pester the mods with reporting another person. It makes you look like that girl in third grade who told on everyone for cheating.

I believe that we could all self moderate ourselves through PM's or in public. Especially you folks on the left could easily police each other. I know GoU polices me frequently and I respect him for doing so. He also gets many PM's of me venting about some of the shots which are directed at me.

So those are my thgoughts for the evening and as far as I am concerned the ball is now squarely in your court. How we all proceed going forward is totally up to you folks on the left.

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Oh Goody, we're invited to play the rules that glen just loves to ignore. He loves name calling and engaging in personal attacks....but he promises not to do it if we do.

You glen, love to use that broad brush you just love to bitch about. You love to call out "Liberals" at the drop of a hat and cry when you are called out being a Conservative.

Then there is your very annoying habit of hijacking threads when you do not like the topic or the way the discussion is heading. You were caught out today in trolling a thread.

I will believe it when I see glen, your history ain't working in your favor.

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Actually you were wrong about trying to hijack that thread. Either you interred wrong or wete just looking for something to whine about.

If you havent noticed since you offered the truce between us on the personal attacks i haven't violated it once. While you have at least 12 times
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your following your rules died the death you gave it. You accused me of being a Klansmen. For a person who did not to engage in personal attacks, you sure did not long to engage in one.

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your following your rules died the death you gave it. You accused me of being a Klansmen. For a person who did not to engage in personal attacks, you sure did not long to engage in one.


You need to go back and recheck as I never once called you a klansman.

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You are a lousy liar glen. You accused me without provocation or proof of calling you out and I did not. Call Out threads a violation of Forum Rules and you know that.

You accused me of sounding "Like A Klansman", personal attacks glen are a violation of Forum Rules as well.

You cannot even stand by your own rules, you cannot help you self I suppose.

You lied glen, you engaged in a personal attack as well. Which according to this thread you wanted to avoid.

You cannot even abide what you, yourself have written.

Why am I not surprised.

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You are a lousy liar glen. You accused me without provocation or proof of calling you out and I did not. Call Out threads a violation of Forum Rules and you know that.

You accused me of sounding "Like A Klansman", personal attacks glen area violation of Forum Rules as well.

You cannot even stand by your own rules, you cannot help you self I suppose.

You lied glen, you engaged in a personal attack as well. Which according to this thread you wanted to avoid.

You cannot even abide what you, yourself have written.

Why am I not surprised.


Saying that you are reacting with the same passion as a klansmen talking about race when you are talking about Christians is not calling you a klansman. As for the rules lets review, yesterday you threatened to report me over what you wrongly perceived to be an attempt at derailing a thread. After which you went on to launch a personal attack, you started a callout thread and was disrespectful to the Christian faith. All of which I have no problem with. But, if you are going to do all of that then you surely should not be reporting another member.

Again I never called you a klansman I was simply attempting to point out that your hate and discontent for the Christian faith is pretty much on par with the hate and discontent members of the KKK have for Black people.

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Criticizing a person's belief system, which they can change, is not the same thing as attacking them for their race, an ascribed characteristic they have inherited from birth.

It is true most people acquire the religion of their parents, it's part of enculturation, but every person is free to change their religion, abandon their religion, or change their religious outlook. Religion is a choice. Any choice can be critiqued. (I'm not saying you have to listen to the criticism. You can ignore it.)

I do not equate criticizing religious belief (or any other form of belief) as being "the same" as racial hatred. Neither is criticizing political beliefs. Or heck, aesthetic beliefs.

BTW, let me clarify one other point.

"All Muslims are terrorists" is Islamophobic, and a form of bigotry. That's just mindless group-hatred, and reminds me of anti-Semitism, which it resembles.

"It's bullshit that the archangel Gabriel dictated the Quran to Muhammad in a cave" might upset Muslims and hurt their feelings, but personally I happen to think a) it's true and b) don't give a shit and c) don't consider saying beliefs are false to be a form of bigotry.

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Criticizing a person's belief system, which they can change, is not the same thing as attacking them for their race, an ascribed characteristic they have inherited from birth.

It is true most people acquire the religion of their parents, it's part of enculturation, but every person is free to change their religion, abandon their religion, or change their religious outlook. Religion is a choice. Any choice can be critiqued. (I'm not saying you have to listen to the criticism. You can ignore it.)

I do not equate criticizing religious belief (or any other form of belief) as being "the same" as racial hatred. Neither is criticizing political beliefs. Or heck, aesthetic beliefs.

BTW, let me clarify one other point.

"All Muslims are terrorists" is Islamophobic, and a form of bigotry. That's just mindless group-hatred, and reminds me of anti-Semitism, which it resembles.

"It's bullshit that the archangel Gabriel dictated the Quran to Muhammad in a cave" might upset Muslims and hurt their feelings, but personally I happen to think a) it's true and b) don't give a shit and c) don't consider saying beliefs are false to be a form of bigotry.



There is a difference between criticizing a persons beliefs and mocking them. Saying thngs along the lines of the invisble man in the sky is mocking and not very original. Criticizing is much different. What we see here is 75%-80% mocking and or insulting and 25%-20% critisizing.

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There is a difference between criticizing a persons beliefs and mocking them. Saying thngs along the lines of the invisble man in the sky is mocking and not very original. Criticizing is much different. What we see here is 75%-80% mocking and or insulting and 25%-20% critisizing.

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Actually you were wrong about trying to hijack that thread.


You decided to abandon the thread the minute you were challenged.

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Snip.....
Now having said all of that I am going to break a rule and do a call out, although in a respectful manner. We have one poster here who to my knowledge has never broken any rule. He is always respectful and always gets his point across in a thoughtful manner. That poster is ProfessorX. If we decide as a group to go back to at least attempting to following the rules his is the example we should collectively choose to follow.


I believe that we could all self moderate ourselves through PM's or in public. Especially you folks on the left could easily police each other. snip.....

Glenn.. we heckle the hell out of eachother.... but I do respect ..... some of your stuff.... lol.

As an example..... you have come a long way on marriage equality. Here is where I have to give you some crap about this post brother.

You have literally..... literally.... shown that libertarianism doesn't fucking work with an oxymoronic back-to-back 2 sentences.....

"I believe that we could all self moderate ourselves through PM's or in public. Especially you folks on the left could easily police each other."

And the first part of my quote of your post is obviously patently false.........

Everybody here knows that me and Ike are without a DOUBT..... the absolute..... most respectful members on this board...... and have NEVER...... EVER..... broken ANY rules......lol.

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glen, let's be honest here. You come here to troll. You come here because you think you can show us as idiots. You call me a socialist. When I point out that I'm not, you say "You're a modern-day socialist" and make up a whole new definition of the word in your mind, having nothing to do with an actual definition.

That's just one example.

You aren't here for an honest, intellectual discussion, and are only capable of such in small doses, every once in a while. But when you lose that intellectual discussion, and can't defend your view, then you go back to trolling.

So, in my view, this is just you "playing the refs" and trying to use our views of fairness against us. As a conservative, you don't have any such views. You'll continue to troll and break the rules, but demand that we follow them. That's how conservatives play the game. You don't believe in fair play.

Sorry, I see no change of heart in you.

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If people believed in pyramid power, that putting razor blades in pyramids can make them sharper (some people do believe this), and that belief was mocked, ... would anybody complain?

If I mocked the fact that Scientologists believe the Galactic overlord Xenu placed us Thetans inside the bodies of beings in a volcano using interplanetary 747s ... it sounds silly, doesn't it? ... would anybody complain?

If I told you New Agers believe putting crystals on your body can heal you ... and then started mocking that ... probably nobody would say anything.

So what I typically find is people are OK with mocking non-religious beliefs, and the beliefs of other religions, but not their own.

Anyway, I don't think mocking or ridiculous Jewish religious belief is anti-Semitism. I personally think anyone who literally believes Noah took two of every animal on Earth and put it on a boat to be a fool. If that offends some of my fellow Jews, well, so be it. It's nonsense, at least if taken literally. Plus, it's probably borrowed from Sumerian, Babylonian, and Akkadian flood stories which are older.

The Torah was not given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. I think that's ridiculous.

Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are real phenomena, but I don't think mocking Jewish or Islamic religious belief qualifies or is, per se, a form of bigotry. Now - as for anti-Semitism, no, I don't think all criticism of Israel or its government is anti-Semitic, but I think it can be. David Duke often criticizes Israel, and shows some obvious crossing of that line. Some forms of criticism of Israel replicate the ancient blood libel myth about Jews -- that IS anti-Semitic. And yes, Arabs can be anti-Semites, given the particular meanings of how the word originated in 19th century Germany (even though technically, they are Semites as well.)

BTW, there are places where Christians are persecuted and in some cases even killed for their beliefs, but it's not here in America. One area where I disagree with Trump is that somehow Christian refugees from the Middle East are more "entitled" to refugee status than other persecuted groups, though. (Like, say, the Yezidi.)

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I know I will if you will. However keep in mind that hijacking or trolling a thread while in some cases obvious is mostly it is highly subjective and lays more in the eyes of the beholder.

In most cases I find that threads have legs of their own and I find it very entertaining and enlightening to see where they go. We or at least I seem to learn more from threads that start on one topic and then wind up in an entirely different place. I find it more to be evolution of a thread than anything else.

But, other than that it sure would be nice to get back to a civil discussions about various topics. as opposed to all the fuck you and comments such as that we read on pretty close to every thread.

Now having said all of that I am going to break a rule and do a call out, although in a respectful manner. We have one poster here who to my knowledge has never broken any rule. He is always respectful and always gets his point across in a thoughtful manner. That poster is ProfessorX. If we decide as a group to go back to at least attempting to following the rules his is the example we should collectively choose to follow.

Finally, if you disagree that we should behave in the adult and respectful manner that this board was set up to do. Then for goodness sakes don't pester the mods with reporting another person. It makes you look like that girl in third grade who told on everyone for cheating.

I believe that we could all self moderate ourselves through PM's or in public. Especially you folks on the left could easily police each other. I know GoU polices me frequently and I respect him for doing so. He also gets many PM's of me venting about some of the shots which are directed at me.

So those are my thgoughts for the evening and as far as I am concerned the ball is now squarely in your court.


In my court, good. Fuck off...backhand with topspin. I don't respect you, I don't have to be nice to you. Telling you to fuck off is not a personal attack. Your heroes in the tea party and the right-wing media changed the dialogue in this debate forever. Theres no more loyal opposition anymore. Its a war for the culture, you're the enemy and I'm telling you to fuck off.

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glen, let's be honest here. You come here to troll. You come here because you think you can show us as idiots. You call me a socialist. When I point out that I'm not, you say "You're a modern-day socialist" and make up a whole new definition of the word in your mind, having nothing to do with an actual definition.

That's just one example.

You aren't here for an honest, intellectual discussion, and are only capable of such in small doses, every once in a while. But when you lose that intellectual discussion, and can't defend your view, then you go back to trolling.

So, in my view, this is just you "playing the refs" and trying to use our views of fairness against us. As a conservative, you don't have any such views. You'll continue to troll and break the rules, but demand that we follow them. That's how conservatives play the game. You don't believe in fair play.

Sorry, I see no change of heart in you.



You are totally wrong. But, I know you believe what you wrote about trolling. Because you and so many others here define any opposing opinion to be both trolling and/or an attempt to hijack a thread.

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In my court, good. Fuck off...backhand with topspin. I don't respect you, I don't have to be nice to you. Telling you to fuck off is not a personal attack. Your heroes in the tea party and the right-wing media changed the dialogue in this debate forever. Theres no more loyal opposition anymore. Its a war for the culture, you're the enemy and I'm telling you to fuck off.[/quote

My how open kinded of you. People who have an opinion different from yours are your enemy. I find you to be a keyboard comando who gets off on saying things online you would never and have never had the manhood to say to a persons face.

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My how open kinded of you. People who have an opinion different from yours are your enemy. I find you to be a keyboard comando who gets off on saying things online you would never and have never had the manhood to say to a persons face.


Wrong, always putting your words in the mouths of others. Just people who have sick, fucked-up opinions like yours. Lots of people have lots of opinions different from mine. Sam Lefthand, for instance...who is a pain in my ass, but certainly not the enemy. It's people like you who are the enemy in this war for the culture, glen. And listen tough guy, if you're ever in Chicago and want to hear it face to face...you just let me know where and when.

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But, I know you believe what you wrote about trolling. Because you and so many others here define any opposing opinion to be both trolling and/or an attempt to hijack a thread.


Man, you tried to hijack and troll the thread. At best, you made an attempt to derail a topic that is uncomfortable for you -- criticism of white conservative Evangelical Christianity -- with a subject change.

You made it even more obvious when you promptly left the thread as soon as you were challenged directly. You've yet to return. This is an MO of yours.

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If people believed in pyramid power, that putting razor blades in pyramids can make them sharper (some people do believe this), and that belief was mocked, ... would anybody complain?

If I mocked the fact that Scientologists believe the Galactic overlord Xenu placed us Thetans inside the bodies of beings in a volcano using interplanetary 747s ... it sounds silly, doesn't it? ... would anybody complain?

If I told you New Agers believe putting crystals on your body can heal you ... and then started mocking that ... probably nobody would say anything.

So what I typically find is people are OK with mocking non-religious beliefs, and the beliefs of other religions, but not their own.

Anyway, I don't think mocking or ridiculous Jewish religious belief is anti-Semitism. I personally think anyone who literally believes Noah took two of every animal on Earth and put it on a boat to be a fool. If that offends some of my fellow Jews, well, so be it. It's nonsense, at least if taken literally. Plus, it's probably borrowed from Sumerian, Babylonian, and Akkadian flood stories which are older.

The Torah was not given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. I think that's ridiculous.

Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are real phenomena, but I don't think mocking Jewish or Islamic religious belief qualifies or is, per se, a form of bigotry. Now - as for anti-Semitism, no, I don't think all criticism of Israel or its government is anti-Semitic, but I think it can be. David Duke often criticizes Israel, and shows some obvious crossing of that line. Some forms of criticism of Israel replicate the ancient blood libel myth about Jews -- that IS anti-Semitic. And yes, Arabs can be anti-Semites, given the particular meanings of how the word originated in 19th century Germany (even though technically, they are Semites as well.)

BTW, there are places where Christians are persecuted and in some cases even killed for their beliefs, but it's not here in America. One area where I disagree with Trump is that somehow Christian refugees from the Middle East are more "entitled" to refugee status than other persecuted groups, though. (Like, say, the Yezidi.)


Anyone who knows some garden variety white Evangelicals should try this little experiment.

Mention the word "Islam" or "Muslim" to a typical 81%er white Evangelical bigot, then set the timer. My money says 10 seconds won't pass without mockery and/or direct insult of that religion.

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Well, one thing I certainly do believe is criticism of religions should be accurate. If you attack a religion for believing or advocating something they actually don't ... that's unfair.

This is why I usually correct misunderstandings of the Jewish chosen people concept. It is not an idea of ethnic supremacy. Or the "eye for an eye" passage in the Bible ... it doesn't call for blood revenge, it's for proportionality in justice.

I had a Christian preacher on campus tell me that "Mooslims" worship a different god than Christians. I told him to go visit a church in Syria where the Christians pray in Arabic. Listen to them also pray to "Allah" because they do ... it's the Arabic word for the Deity, used even by non-Muslims. But, of course, they'd prefer to stew in their ignorance. :roll:

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Actually you were wrong about trying to hijack that thread.


A bald faced lie. You attempted to hijacked/deflect/redirect the thread and you know it. Just like you accused me of being a Klansman.

You have a history of trolling/hijacking/deflecting threads that you do not like.

You have a history of running away from threads when you are caught lying.

You have a history calling people "Socialist" and "Communist".

You have a history of bitching long, loud and continous about "Liberals" using a broadbrush against Conservatives, but will bring your own fucking broadbrush at the drop of a hat and you know it.

You started this thread as a put up peace making gesture and within one day you had gone right back to doing you were bitching about in the first damn place.

This whole thread was based on a lie and you have caught up in that lie.

I'm sure we will see you tuck tail and run....it is after all what you are best at.

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Well, one thing I certainly do believe is criticism of religions should be accurate. If you attack a religion for believing or advocating something they actually don't ... that's unfair.

This is why I usually correct misunderstandings of the Jewish chosen people concept. It is not an idea of ethnic supremacy. Or the "eye for an eye" passage in the Bible ... it doesn't call for blood revenge, it's for proportionality in justice.

I had a Christian preacher on campus tell me that "Mooslims" worship a different god than Christians. I told him to go visit a church in Syria where the Christians pray in Arabic. Listen to them also pray to "Allah" because they do ... it's the Arabic word for the Deity, used even by non-Muslims.


Yeah but see, that entails actually sitting down and learning something about the religion. Learning something about the religion means learning something about history, probably a new language, and very likely another part of the world. Learning something about history and a new language and another part of the world means learning something about the actual people in it.

And then things start to change, because preconceived, 3rd party, imposed ideas of what you're supposed to believe about every one else start to change.

All of this is antithetical to 81%er American Evangelicalism. All of it. They'd rather cut off their own arm than learn something about the world they live in, because they plan to be raptured soon, anyway. :problem:

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I know I will if you will. However keep in mind that hijacking or trolling a thread while in some cases obvious is mostly it is highly subjective and lays more in the eyes of the beholder.

In most cases I find that threads have legs of their own and I find it very entertaining and enlightening to see where they go. We or at least I seem to learn more from threads that start on one topic and then wind up in an entirely different place. I find it more to be evolution of a thread than anything else.

But, other than that it sure would be nice to get back to a civil discussions about various topics. as opposed to all the fuck you and comments such as that we read on pretty close to every thread.

Now having said all of that I am going to break a rule and do a call out, although in a respectful manner. We have one poster here who to my knowledge has never broken any rule. He is always respectful and always gets his point across in a thoughtful manner. That poster is ProfessorX. If we decide as a group to go back to at least attempting to following the rules his is the example we should collectively choose to follow.

Finally, if you disagree that we should behave in the adult and respectful manner that this board was set up to do. Then for goodness sakes don't pester the mods with reporting another person. It makes you look like that girl in third grade who told on everyone for cheating.

I believe that we could all self moderate ourselves through PM's or in public. Especially you folks on the left could easily police each other. I know GoU polices me frequently and I respect him for doing so. He also gets many PM's of me venting about some of the shots which are directed at me.

So those are my thgoughts for the evening and as far as I am concerned the ball is now squarely in your court. How we all proceed going forward is totally up to you folks on the left.

ProfessorX has broken the board rules on a number of occasions. Let's see how bright you are; can you identify the rule(s) ProfessorX has broken? Que the Jeporady theme.

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ProfessorX has broken the board rules on a number of occasions. Let's see how bright you are; can you identify the rule(s) ProfessorX has broken? Que the Jeporady theme.


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I can't

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