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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:52 pm 
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At first, I was surprised. But then, I thought, hell, I've NEVER owned a sedan! I owned muscle cars, station wagons, an MGB Midget (not for long - it was junk!), a mini-van, a pickup and crossovers.

As an adult, I've always required a lot of room.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:57 pm 
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Time to get an EV.

Lots of roomy EVs out there now, or coming online soon.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:58 pm 
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The problem with Us Auto makers especially Ford is they are to dependent on SUV's and over priced pick ups. At some point the US market will once again pivot and I am afraid our auto makers will not be prepared for the shift. When the day comes people no longer want SUV's or over priced pick ups Ford will be screwed.

BTW, I ve heard that the birth of the SUV was due to the death of the station wagon. That the death of the station wagon was caused by MPG standards. So our car companies used an end around play by building station wagons that could be classified as light duty trucks.

Denying you the pleasure of owning a station wagon with wood grain on the side. [My dad had a 74 Caprice Classic Blue with the faux wood. Sporting a 454 4 barrel. The only thing it loved more than oil was gas.]

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:02 pm 
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The problem with Us Auto makers especially Ford is they are to dependent on SUV's and over priced pick ups. At some point the US market will once again pivot and I am afraid our auto makers will not be prepared for the shift. When the day comes people no longer want SUV's or over priced pick ups Ford will be screwed.

BTW, I ve heard that the birth of the SUV was due to the death of the station wagon. That the death of the station wagon was caused by MPG standards. So our car companies used an end around play by building station wagons that could be classified as light duty trucks.

Denying you the pleasure of owning a station wagon with wood grain on the side. [My dad had a 74 Caprice Classic Blue with the faux wood. Sporting a 454 4 barrel. The only thing it loved more than oil was gas.]

Current crossover mileage is better than mileage was in sedans just a few years ago.

And S'toon, yes, I would have no problem with an EV with the room I need plus the ability to go cross-country. Cars are just transportation for me now.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm 
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Correct on the SUVs. It was to get around emission standards, which at the time exempted trucks.

There's also the public taste to consider. Station wagons were deemed unhip, and the kind of thing your parents had because they coudn't schlep you and all your crap around in a normal car. So the family station wagon became the family SUV.

After I read that, and after I became sure it wasn't fake news, I watched the cars go by the place where I was sipping my latte. It appears that there are still a lot of sedans on the road, but yes, the crossover seems to be more prevalent. You know, the non-SUV for people too hip to drive one of those. Like the Prius. A hatchback by any other name.

It would appear that hatchbacks are the future.

I'll ride public transit before I drive one of those fusion Art Center School of Design pointy things with the oh so hip tail lights. Though I'll admit that the hatch on the streamlined back of my speedy little car, right in front of the air deflector that kicks in above 75 MPH, is very nice for loading what little will fit around the mid-engine.

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Trucks, SUVs, and mini-vans are the best sellers. The last Ford I owned was a used 78' T-Bird. I normally owned sedans but in 2007 I bought a new Honda CR-V and now I don't care for sedans. My next car will be a hybrid SUV mainly because I don't want to be limited on a 100 or so mile range of an electric car. The future will be hybrids and electric vehicles and that's where Ford and other car companies will have to go to remain profitable.

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I have no objection to EVs. They have incredible torque. There are already speedy little electric cars.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:32 pm 
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I have no objection to EVs. They have incredible torque. There are already speedy little electric cars.

Saw this the other day - First electric Ferrari leaves behind original gas version

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Meh. The US auto industry has been a disaster since the first Toyota was sold in this country. One of my old man's close friends had the first dealership in Chicago. He was a Checker, Saab, and Toyota dealer. Within a couple of years he was selling so many Toyotas that he let the other two brands go. Toyota marketed the first Lexus model, the luxury LS-400, in 1989. After driving a new LS-400, the CEO of BMW of North America remarked, "The bastards are selling a $70,000 car for $40,000.

After his retirement and a few years before his death, Lee Iacocca admitted, "In the 70's through the 90's we just didn't produce very good cars in this country."

But we still saw bumper stickers that said, "Can't find a job? Eat your jap car." Heh...raging American stupidity is obviously not a recent development.

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The reasonably priced Tesla Model 3 does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.

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According to CNBC, (former home of Trump chief economic advisor Larry Kudlow...so not some lib "fake news" outfit) GM is not far behind. The Malibu will continue and maybe one or two Cadillac sedan models.

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"The bastards are selling a $70,000 car for $40,000.


Yep, a $70,000 car for $40,000. I have and drive two Lexus ES 300's. I got both of them used and for free, they are excellent cars.

The other day it was flooding, water more than a foot deep was running across the highway at every one of those highway bridges along HW 140 down in the valley.

Trucks and 4x4 pickups and my Lexus got through. The water was almost deep enough that my car would float, but not quite. :)

A FORD sedan would have stalled in water that deep.


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I'm a Volvo girl and remember when Volvo Cars was sold to Ford. Now Volvo cars is Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, smdh.

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I'm a Volvo girl and remember when Volvo Cars was sold to Ford. Now Volvo cars is Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, smdh.

Volvo is moving to all electric cars by 2025.

I owned a used 1984 Volvo 264GL, European spec, when I was in Germany in the mid-80. It was overall a great car with god car with power. I took it over to England and started having problems with it not starting in the morning. The local Volvo deal fixed the problem but it kept recurring and getting towed in by them. I'd leave it overnight with the and after about the fourth trip to the dealer they couldn't start the car. The called the factory rep in England but he couldn't figure it out and they even tried the Volvo factory in Sweden and it stumped them. The car eventually sorted itself out. The nice thing about the dealer was after the first time he didn't charge me anything because they couldn't figure it out. I sold the car to someone in my office when I left and they knew the history of the car when they bought it but they still wanted it. About a year later, they got rid of the car because of the same problem.

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Volvo is moving to all electric cars by 2025.

I owned a used 1984 Volvo 264GL, European spec, when I was in Germany in the mid-80. It was overall a great car with god car with power. I took it over to England and started having problems with it not starting in the morning. The local Volvo deal fixed the problem but it kept recurring and getting towed in by them. I'd leave it overnight with the and after about the fourth trip to the dealer they couldn't start the car. The called the factory rep in England but he couldn't figure it out and they even tried the Volvo factory in Sweden and it stumped them. The car eventually sorted itself out. The nice thing about the dealer was after the first time he didn't charge me anything because they couldn't figure it out. I sold the car to someone in my office when I left and they knew the history of the car when they bought it but they still wanted it. About a year later, they got rid of the car because of the same problem.


Yeah later models like my old 850 and V70 had the infamous, ridiculous "Check Engine" light it takes 5 trips to the mechnic and $1600 to get rid of :/

Still love those cars, though. I often wondered how the Ford models worked out.

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:) My first car was a 1959 Beatle-back Volvo. Loved it...they just chugged on forever.

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I'm a Volvo girl and remember when Volvo Cars was sold to Ford. Now Volvo cars is Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, smdh.


Oh I dunno...I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Volvo EV's. My understanding is that within a couple of years the Volvo line will be all EV's or hybrids.

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Oh I dunno...I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Volvo EV's. My understanding is that within a couple of years the Volvo line will be all EV's or hybrids.


So I've heard. Well, speaking of Ford hatchbacks, if someone were to up and give me a C30 R series in black with black leather interior, I would not refuse it, lol.

6-speed AND with branding removed?...heccccccck yessssss

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I'm kinda partial to the DeLorean. Especially when it gets up to around 85 MPH. :mrgreen:

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Volvo is moving to all electric cars by 2025.

I owned a used 1984 Volvo 264GL, European spec, when I was in Germany in the mid-80. It was overall a great car with god car with power. I took it over to England and started having problems with it not starting in the morning. The local Volvo deal fixed the problem but it kept recurring and getting towed in by them. I'd leave it overnight with the and after about the fourth trip to the dealer they couldn't start the car. The called the factory rep in England but he couldn't figure it out and they even tried the Volvo factory in Sweden and it stumped them. The car eventually sorted itself out. The nice thing about the dealer was after the first time he didn't charge me anything because they couldn't figure it out. I sold the car to someone in my office when I left and they knew the history of the car when they bought it but they still wanted it. About a year later, they got rid of the car because of the same problem.


In 1984 I noticed my boss parking his wife's car a 1976 Volvo at the mill, leaving the keys in it. I asked him what was going on and he told me he was hoping someone would steal it because it was worth more stolen than it was worth. She had gotten a new car.

The upshot was I bought it from him for $500. At that time it was the nicest car I had ever owned. It would almost drive itself, and by that I mean when I had it on smooth pavement the slight ruts big trucks imprint in pavement would give that car what it need to steer itself. It would track in those slight indentation and for long periods of time I wouldn't have to steer. It would also cruse at 80, 90, 100 mph. One time I crossed the entire state of Nevada going from California to Utah on I-80 in just over four hours. I only had to correct its steering a few time and my average speed was in the 90 mph range.

I loved that car. :)

I had it until 1992. In the whole time I had it ignoring tires and batteries the only part it ever needed was a new water pump I installed the week I bought it.

The reason I got rid of it when I did was because of goats. Ornery alpine goats. It was parked at my house in the country and a neighbor's goats got out and they climbed on top of it standing on the hood the top and the trunk lid smashing and denting them to the point I had to give up on it. :|


BTW, my Lexus cars will also self steer in the highway ruts. It's like they're on a railroad track. I do have to do a nice alignment to get them to do that, but I do know how to do a nice alignment. That Volvo and my Lexus cars are the only cars I've ever had that could do that.


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I'm kinda partial to the DeLorean. Especially when it gets up to around 85 MPH. :mrgreen:

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Can't wait to see it!

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So, one nifty thing. The main character is named "Wade Watts" and he says his dad named him that because it sounded like a superhero secret identity.

Just realized the other night ... the same actor plays Cyclops/Scott Summers in X-Men Apocalypse. :D

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So, one nifty thing. The main character is named "Wade Watts" and he says his dad named him that because it sounded like a superhero secret identity.

Just realized the other night ... the same actor plays Cyclops/Scott Summers in X-Men Apocalypse. :D


I just loved it that Rush is in the trailer. :oops: :P

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I'm going to stand up for American cars. While they WERE junk in the 70's and 80's (not the workers fault, the companies took their eye off the ball), but the cars are quite good today. I loved my '99 Dodge Ram, and I've driven Fords for almost 20 years and they are damned good cars.

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