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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:04 am 
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Via HuffPo:

Inside Tesla’s electric car factory, giant red robots – some named for X-Men characters – heave car parts in the air, while workers wearing black toil on aluminum car bodies. Forklifts and tuggers zip by on gray-painted floors, differentiated from pedestrian walkways by another shade of gray.

There’s one color, though, that some of Tesla’s former safety experts wanted to see more of: yellow – the traditional hue of caution used to mark hazards.

Concerned about bone-crunching collisions and the lack of clearly marked pedestrian lanes at the Fremont, California, plant, the general assembly line’s then-lead safety professional went to her boss, who she said told her, “Elon does not like the color yellow.”


The Tesla factory is a dangerous place to work. Everything in this story rings true - I was heavily involved in the safety program at my plant years ago. The rules surrounding government-mandated recordable injuries are clear - and it's clear that Tesla has cheated on them.They refuse to let reporters into the factory - and show them photos of things painted yellow - photos, of course, which can be photoshopped.

The workers at Tesla need help. I support the union movement at Tesla, and I won't ever think about buying a Tesla while the workers are treated with contempt like they are.


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:56 am 
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Another philanthro-capitalist.

“See all the good we do!”

“See how we fuck our workers!”

Today’s conservatives should be applauding people like Bezos and Musk. They are what Ayn Rand worshipped.

They also think that their money permits them to apply their own personal agendas, consequences or local conditions/issues be damned.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:22 am 
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They think they are the embodiment of John Gault.


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:31 am 
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Mmph. Apparently somebody there doesn't like black, gray or rainbows, either. :problem:

Tesla hit by class-action lawsuit claiming racial discrimination - Reuters, 2017

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The lawsuit filed in California state court in Oakland is at least the third filed this year by black workers who say they were addressed using racial slurs and that the company ignored their complaints.

But Monday’s lawsuit, filed by former Tesla employee Marcus Vaughn, is the first to bring those claims on behalf of a large class of black workers at the automaker’s Fremont, California factory.

Tesla did not respond to a request for comment.

The company is also facing lawsuits accusing it of discrimination against gay and older workers. It has denied those claims.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 1:51 pm 
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WTF????? Yellow is the standard industrial safety color.

I suppose if he didn't like red, they wouldn't have fire extinguishers.

Musk is a shit.

Rich shit, but a shit nonetheless.

Right now the west side of L.A. is practically at fisticuffs in the street over his fucking tunnel. Serious. The pros and cons damn near got into it outside a temple. No, I don't know why they had the community meeting at a temple, and not a very accessible one either. Probably because its location is practically ground zero for this tunnel stupidity. If that thing goes through, it's time for a serious look at another city.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 am 
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Elon can paint his factories sparkly day glo ... what I care about is that he follows safety regulations, so that his workers don't get hurt.

If the lines are clear and workers know where to go to be safe ... that's what matters. If the regs are that certain colors are to be used ... well, rule of law, Elon.

Sorry, but safety & the law > the eccentric tastes of the boss.

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I've come to hate the color red.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:10 am 
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Hey look! Yellow safety markings!
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I guess Reveal couldn't be bothered to do a 30 second image search.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:16 am 
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Or, Tesla made changes in response to the story...

Sorry, I believe the workers. I find that during organizing drives, workers don't lie. They don't need to, the truth is usually far more damning. If the pro-union workers were to lie about actual working conditions, they would lose all credibility with those workers on the fence about unionization.

Companies, on the other hand, lie all the time.


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This picture is from a 2016 article:
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One from a different 2016 article:
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This pic from a different article that was printed same day as Reveal's article, so before Tesla had time to react:
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This picture from 2012:
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This pic from last year:
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This image from an article last year:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:02 pm 
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If you've ever been in an ACTUAL factory, those few tiny examples of yellow are not the norm. For instance:

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Or, Tesla made changes in response to the story...

Sorry, I believe the workers. I find that during organizing drives, workers don't lie. They don't need to, the truth is usually far more damning. If the pro-union workers were to lie about actual working conditions, they would lose all credibility with those workers on the fence about unionization.

Companies, on the other hand, lie all the time.


:lol:

The local Tyler shop went into bankruptcy. Then a new Tyler shop was organized from the ashes, they were going to be a non-union shop.

Oh' they were horrible, everything about them was bad or wrong. Scuttlebutt had it the worst thing about them was their vans were old rusted out and used, ugly junkers, awful.

Then about a month in they signed a labor agreement. That fixed everything. Presto,,, old junker vans, death traps, became quite new reliable vans in their driveways overnight. Why those fellers didn't even have to move their tools, those vans became newer and sound around their tools and stock, it really was a remarkable transformation.


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:lol:

The local Tyler shop went into bankruptcy. Then a new Tyler shop was organized from the ashes, they were going to be a non-union shop.

Oh' they were horrible, everything about them was bad or wrong. Scuttlebutt had it the worst thing about them was their vans were old rusted out and used, ugly junkers, awful.

Then about a month in they signed a labor agreement. That fixed everything. Presto,,, old junker vans, death traps, became quite new reliable vans in their driveways overnight. Why those fellers didn't even have to move their tools, those vans became newer and sound around their tools and stock, it really was a remarkable transformation.

WTF are you talking about?


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If you've ever been in an ACTUAL factory, those few tiny examples of yellow are not the norm. For instance:

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I have been inside multiple automotive plants during my career as well as refineries, power plants, wastewater and water treatment plants, food & beverage plants and so on. Safety Yellow made in various products such as alkyd enamels, polyurethanes, epoxies, waterborne acrylics are in evidence in every one of them. OSHA has several safety colors which, while they don't have to be matched exactly, are pretty damn near the same from paint manufacturer to paint manufacturer.

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That's right, yellow is specified for hazards as well as safety zones. Some companies order yellow industrial robots. A lot of what's red in the Tesla plant would be yellow.

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Mmph. Apparently somebody there doesn't like black, gray or rainbows, either. :problem:

Tesla hit by class-action lawsuit claiming racial discrimination - Reuters, 2017



Fuck.

I want to brag about Elon and point to him as one of the answers to our future. And I still can to some extent but this pisses me off.

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Fuck.

I want to brag about Elon and point to him as one of the answers to our future. And I still can to some extent but this pisses me off.

He's extremely anti-union and anti-worker. He likes running a high-tech sweatshop.


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He's extremely anti-union and anti-worker. He likes running a high-tech sweatshop.

That makes no sense. Not saying I dont believe you.

Are his shops union?

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That makes no sense. Not saying I dont believe you.

Are his shops union?

Nope. More info:

The UAW's efforts in Fremont garnered attention in February 2017, when Tesla employee Jose Moran published a blog post detailing harsh working conditions, adding that workers had contacted the union as a result.

Since then, more reports of on-site injuries have emerged, as well as lawsuits documenting employee discrimination. The UAW has also filed charges with the NLRB, alleging Tesla intimidated pro-union employees and forced them to sign nondisclosure agreements barring discussion of plant conditions.

The most recent unfair labor practice complaint, filed with the NLRB in February, claims Tesla disciplined or terminated employees for participating in union activities in the past six months, according to documents obtained by Automotive News via public records request. In October, the automaker fired 700 workers, which Tesla CEO Elon Musk said was part of routine performance reviews.

"You've got a turning point here," Shaiken said. "Tesla, which has been so innovative in so many ways, seems to be reverting to 1930s-style union avoidance in the way it's dealing with the UAW."


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Very very sad. Very.

One must assume his upbringing has to do with what is clearly anti worker and probably racism.

sigh

South Africa has a way of doing that I guess.

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Very very sad. Very.

One must assume his upbringing has to do with what is clearly anti worker and probably racism.

sigh

South Africa has a way of doing that I guess.

Agreed. But thank you for the understanding, and support of the workers trying to organize Tesla.


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Fuck.

I want to brag about Elon and point to him as one of the answers to our future. And I still can to some extent but this pisses me off.


You wouldn't want to if you lived in L.A. and saw the route of the ridiculous tunnel he's pretty much hypnotized the city council into approving. You'd want to (unsuccessfully) sue him for expenses and lost income after the resulting mess forced you to move.

I don't brag about robber barons. I like what SpaceX has done, but I still don't brag about robber barons.

We have to get over digital disruption. It's one reason for drumpf. People are future shocked.

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I like what SpaceX has done,


I'm less than crazy, mainly because space privatization is a road eventually leading to space tourism and space based advertising and war over space turf (i.e. star wars). Elon may not walk that road, but others will.

That said, NASA is moribund and has no agenda, we can discuss the reasons why, but it's why privateers like Elon suddenly seem so exciting.

If people cared about space as a public good and resource again, and why space exploration and colonization could unite humanity for common purpose, and we were united behind a goal like "going to the Moon" as we were in the 60s, we wouldn't need SpaceX.

But ... yeah, those counterfactuals again.

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I agree privatization is a bad idea. Given the way this country works, it's also an inevitable one. It actually started before SpaceX, when NASA set up semi-private entities like United Launch Alliance and United Space Alliance to handle a lot of the ground functions.

I think anything above 50 miles up should be demilitarized and off limits to private speculation. (With an exemption for unmanned private satellite ventures.) That and $4.75 will get me a mocha latte fix for the day.

Oh, and I remain on record that Elon Musk is a shit. I don't like entrepreneurs in general, and for some reason he particularly rubs me the wrong way. No, not because he's an immigrant. That's for Republicans, and they love him. The bedfellows are strange.

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Musk tells fans 'full self-driving' Teslas are near, as investigators dig into Autopilot accidents

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In August, Tesla electric cars will offer "full self-driving features," CEO Elon Musk tweeted over the weekend.

But aside from that brief description, written in response to an owner's comments about Tesla's Autopilot suite of driver-assist features, Musk didn't give any more details about just how autonomous his cars would be.......

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