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Will a conservative tell me how this is different than Neville Chamberlain?

We're supposed to trust the most un-trustworthy nation on earth just because Donald Trump says so?

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

And here's the thing - just because it's Trump, conservatives will jettison critical thinking process. "Thanks, Mr. Chamberlain, you and Herr Hitler have given us peace in our time!"


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 Post subject: Re: Appeaser
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Did you see the press conference? President Backlash actually said if he's wrong about this he might not admit it. Also that he has a perfect memory, so verification of whatever supposedly went on in the meeting, he doesn't have to do it.

F' this guy. Both of them.

Now KJ-U is running around grinning like a psycho because now he gets to say he's a world leader. And what is in that b.s. they signed? Anyone know?

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Did you see the press conference? President Backlash actually said if he's wrong about this he might not admit it. Also that he has a perfect memory, so verification of whatever supposedly went on in the meeting, he doesn't have to do it.

F' this guy. Both of them.

Now KJ-U is running around grinning like a psycho because now he gets to say he's a world leader. And what is in that b.s. they signed? Anyone know?


I heard the press conference and he was making a joke

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Will a conservative tell me how this is different than Neville Chamberlain?

We're supposed to trust the most un-trustworthy nation on earth just because Donald Trump says so?

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

And here's the thing - just because it's Trump, conservatives will jettison critical thinking process. "Thanks, Mr. Chamberlain, you and Herr Hitler have given us peace in our time!"



6 weeks ago you had us going to war now thst we are talking to NK you are opposed to that. Can you tell me the last time any President had success renegotiating with NK. So if nothing comes from this it will have vost us nothing.

The main reason to be optimistic is because it appears that China is heavily involved. At the end of the day NK has to do whst Chins tells them

The real truth is Democrats in general and extreme lefties in particular ate scated shitless that something substantial will happen and Trump and the GOP will get the credit. Showing that you folks put party over country.

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 Post subject: Re: Appeaser
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I heard the press conference and he was making a joke


Both things were stupid things to say.

I would expect you to fall all over yourself trying to defend him, though.

That said, do you know what was in this agreement they signed?

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1) North Korea will open a burger joint. (No, I'm not getting this from the Onion.)
https://nypost.com/2018/05/29/north-kor ... t-instead/
Their people may be starving, but they will have Mickey D's.

2) Dennis Rodman will now play for the NK Olympic basketball team. Perhaps Kim will invest in Potcoin.
3) Kim will come to the U.S. and golf at a Trump resort. Unknown whether he will bring his own personal toilet. (Again, not from the Onion.) If he doesn't know golf ... well, you gotta start somewhere.

So, Trump did not bring with him any nuclear science advisors, any additional diplomats with knowledge of NK (you may know we DON'T HAVE a SK ambassador right now) or arms control, the "team" with him is extremely (but maybe typically) thin and down one because Larry Kudlow just had a heart attack.

There's nobody even taking notes. If we want to know what went down, better hope the translators have good memories. Now remember, it can be hard to translate and memorize at the same time.

Why am I skeptical? That's why. We're once again supposed to believe that the expertise-free Wonder King will succeed where others, actually daring to rely on additional experts, have failed.

But he has Dennis. :roll:

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You really think this was a success? How so, glen?


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 Post subject: Re: Appeaser
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glenfs, last year:

We should not invade NK but, if they continue to develop Nukes we should bomb those sites. Peace comes through strength not through appeasement. History has taught us that over and over again.

Just like back in 1980 the left believed that Reagan was going to start a war with the USSR and wanted us to appease the evil empire. Today that same ilk is wanting us to appease NK believing that by doing so we will see "peace in our time."


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6 weeks ago you had us going to war now thst we are talking to NK you are opposed to that. Can you tell me the last time any President had success renegotiating with NK. So if nothing comes from this it will have vost us nothing.

The main reason to be optimistic is because it appears that China is heavily involved. At the end of the day NK has to do whst Chins tells them

The real truth is Democrats in general and extreme lefties in particular ate scated shitless that something substantial will happen and Trump and the GOP will get the credit. Showing that you folks put party over country.


You keep saying that.

What are your Korean-American friends saying? Have you asked?

"Extreme lefties in particular" are often pro-North Korea, and are excited about this stupid photo op. In fact, you seem to be parroting them. I don't really think you'll read any of these to see who you sound like. I often wonder if actual reading is a sin in your community.

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Statement of unity by Korean Americans and allies on the historic Inter-Korean summit and the upcoming U.S.-North Korea summit

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2. We welcome the U.S.-North Korea summit.

We hope the scheduled U.S.-North Korea summit will end seven decades of hostile relations between the United States and North Korea and usher in a new era of peace—on the Korean Peninsula, in Northeast Asia as well as for the rest of the world.



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Why Do Democrats Want to Sabotage North Korea Talks?

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Amazing how partisan politics shape this country’s foreign policy. Seven Democratic senators have written the president urging that any agreement signed with North Korea must be permanent; must be subject to “anywhere, anytime” inspections of all nuclear-related sites and facilities; and must include the dismantling and elimination of all of the regime’s ballistic missiles and programs. (One thinks of Mike Pompeo’s demands on Iran to renegotiate the Iran Deal by making infinite concessions.)

It is a tit-for-tat for the solid Republican opposition to the JCPOA in 2015. Five of the seven senators (Durbin, Warner, Feinstein, Leahy, and Brown) had voted for the Iran agreement while two (Schumer and Menendez) had been among a mere four Democrats to (expressing devotion to Netanyahu) vote against. So this is a display of Democratic unity towards the end, not of bringing permanent peace to the Korean peninsula, but to make it as difficult as possible for an unpopular beleaguered president to score a diplomatic triumph (which could shift momentum to the Republicans in the interim election).



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Do Democrats Want a War With North Korea?

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Just a year ago, liberals were terrified of Trump starting a war with North Korea. Now they seem scared he might defuse the standoff with Pyongyang.

It was only a year ago that high-profile Democrats and liberals were terrified by the prospect of Donald Trump starting a war with North Korea. Now it seems the only thing that scares them more is the prospect of peace.

With a week to go until Trump’s historic meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un in Singapore, top Senate Democrats have signed on to a letter laying out a set of stringent demands they insisted must be met for them to support a deal. These demands include, among other things, complete denuclearization, as well as “anywhere, anytime” inspections.

Trump accused Democrats of “rooting against” the negotiations, and it’s hard not to see it that way. An immediate agreement on full denuclearization, for instance, is a tall order given that North Korea’s leadership has seen what’s happened to other states that agreed to give up their WMDs. MIT political scientist Vipin Narang called the demands “delusional” and compared them to something John Bolton would have written, while Arms Control Today’s Kingston Reif called the letter an “ill-advised attempt by the Dem leadership to get to the right of Trump,” laying out an “aggressively maximalist standard” that, if applied to Iran, would have ruled out Obama’s nuclear deal with that country.



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I really hope you'll take a moment to think about what you're saying and quit repeating the same propaganda over and over and over and over and and and and

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 Post subject: Re: Appeaser
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And today because we showed strength we are going to achieve those goals of NK beginning to dismantle their nuclear arsenal. Unlike the appeasement Bill Clinton attempted

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 Post subject: Re: Appeaser
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Doubting Trump can get one is not the same as being against one.

And I agree human rights issues are not on the table, they weren't in the Iran nuclear deal, I understand that point.

On the other hand, I can see why some Korean Americans with relatives in the North feel they should at least be mentioned by our side. Not during negotiations, but during 'downtime' to the media present.

If acting like an unpredictable nutcase (whether because for show or by nature) is "showing strength" ... well sorry, I continue to oppose DJT being nominated for a Peace Prize, even if things go swimmingly.

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And today because we showed strength we are going to achieve those goals of NK beginning to dismantle their nuclear arsenal. Unlike the appeasement Bill Clinton attempted

North Korea isn't dismantling their nuclear arsenal. We're the ones making all the moves. They've promised nothing, and given nothing, except empty promises. Remember that their definition of "denuclearize" doesn't mean them giving up nukes.


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And today because we showed strength we are going to achieve those goals of NK beginning to dismantle their nuclear arsenal. Unlike the appeasement Bill Clinton attempted


South Korea and North Korea met long before this meeting. Ask your Korean-American friends what that might mean to them.

And what's in this agreement Kim and Trump signed?

Do you know?

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Reality check:

North Korea’s use of the term, on the other hand, has never explicitly applied to its own weapons. Disarmament experts say North Korea has used denuclearization to refer to what it views as the American military’s strategic capability to strike North Korea with nuclear weapons from afar, and to the American protection of South Korea and Japan under a so-called nuclear umbrella from bases in the Pacific.

Evans J.R. Revere, a former State Department diplomat who specializes in North Korea, said that to Mr. Kim and his subordinates, denuclearization “means the removal of the threat, as they define it.”


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glen has abandoned this thread


glen has abandoned whatever integrity he might once have had.

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So let's go to Reuters. Here's what we got.

Trump, Kim agree on denuclearization, but deal seen symbolic
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN1J72PM

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un pledged on Tuesday to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula while Washington committed to provide security guarantees for its old enemy.

The joint statement signed at the end of their historic summit in Singapore gave few details on how either goal would be achieved but Trump fleshed out some details at a news conference.

[snip]

He also said Kim had told him North Korea was destroying a major engine-testing site used for missiles (*), but maintained international sanctions on Pyongyang would stay in place for now.

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However, several political analysts said the summit had yielded symbolic, rather than tangible, results.

“It is unclear if further negotiations will lead to the end goal of denuclearization,” said Anthony Ruggiero, senior fellow of Washington’s Foundation for Defense of Democracies think tank. “This looks like a restatement of where we left negotiations more than 10 years ago and not a major step forward.”

The document made no mention of the sanctions and nor was there any reference to finally signing a peace treaty. North Korea and the United States were on opposite sides in the 1950-53 Korean War and are technically still combatants, as the conflict, in which millions of people died, was concluded only with a truce.

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But Li Nan, senior researcher at Pangoal, a Beijing-based Chinese public policy think tank, said the meeting had only symbolic significance.

“There is no concrete detail on the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula and the provision of security guarantees by the United States,” Li said. “It is too early to call it a turning point in North Korea-U.S. relations.”

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(*) Or it collapsed on its own. Whatevs.

I would have preferred if we did more than just wing it and get some show business symbolism, but Trump is Trump.

What did we get in terms of substance instead of symbolism? Very f'n little, IMHO.

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And today because we showed strength we are going to achieve those goals of NK beginning to dismantle their nuclear arsenal. Unlike the appeasement Bill Clinton attempted

Evidence for your assertion? NK played the west in the past and is continuing to play the west particularly with the amateur that is involved.

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6 weeks ago you had us going to war now thst we are talking to NK you are opposed to that. Can you tell me the last time any President had success renegotiating with NK. So if nothing comes from this it will have vost us nothing.

The main reason to be optimistic is because it appears that China is heavily involved. At the end of the day NK has to do whst Chins tells them

The real truth is Democrats in general and extreme lefties in particular ate scated shitless that something substantial will happen and Trump and the GOP will get the credit. Showing that you folks put party over country.

Glen,

A Chinese think tank spokesperson says the deal had only symbolic significance.

You claimed there was results because Trump showed strength.

You claimed NK is basically a puppet state of the PRC.

So, basically, you don’t know what you are talking about.

As for your reference to your false God? I would ask you to read Orlov but you won’t.

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The only thing this "peace summit" did was legitimize a scary rogue nation and it's scary leader with the bad hair. He's got the second worst hair of any world leader. :lol:

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:arrow: Trump's press conference earlier this morning did not give any comfort whatsoever. It just affirmed that every time this man opens his mouth and says something, he reveals his ignorance and lack of moral compass~

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Glen has gone full MAGA.

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You really think this was a success? How so, glen?




Because we are further away from armed conflict

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Because we are further away from armed conflict


What was in the signed agreement?

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What was in the signed agreement?

Glen doesnt know but neither does Rump.

We are not only not at all further from conflict but we have now given a raving mad lunatic murderer equal stage rights to our allies and their leaders. Worse and most unsuccessful negotiation in human history.

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