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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:07 am 
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But Trump’s genuflection to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the joint press conference Monday at the Helsinki summit may change all that. Trump attacked the Mueller investigation of Russian election meddling, calling it a “disaster for our country” and said he held “both countries responsible” for the Russian cyber-attacks. Trump said he believed Putin’s denial on the topic of Russian interference in the U.S. election over his own intelligence agencies. “He just said it is not Russia,” said Trump. “Do not see any reason why it would be.”

Trump’s coddling of Putin prompted Trump criticism to reach a fresh threshold, as the press and politicians started flinging a new, shocking descriptor that burns like acid when it lands: In their new stinging formulation, Trump isn’t just a lout or a loon, a firebrand or an opportunist, he’s a traitor.

New York Times columnist Charles M. Blow was among the first to apply the “T” word to the president in a prescient Monday piece titled “Trump, Treasonous Traitor,” which appeared just hours before the presser. “It was nothing short of treasonous,” former CIA Director John Brennan tweeted of Trump’s press conference performance. “I’m so sorry the Commander-in-chief is a traitor,” tweeted Michael Moore, agreeing with Brennan for the first time ever. Tea Party stalwart Joe Walsh said the same. “Trump the Traitor,” read the headline on Boston Globe columnist Michael A. Cohen’s Monday afternoon piece. He concluded, “Trump is a clear and present danger to US national security.”

Other voices from both parties concurred without actually using the T-word. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) called Trump’s kowtowing to Putin “shameful.” In a statement, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Trump had “abased himself ... abjectly before a tyrant.” “Disgraceful,” wrote Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). “Shameful,” wrote Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.). “Indefensible,” wrote former U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power. “Useful idiot,” wrote journalist David Corn. “Disgraceful,” reiterated CNN anchor Anderson Cooper. “Dangerous and reckless,” wrote Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.). “Donald Trump is either an asset of Russian intelligence or really enjoys playing one on TV,” wrote New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman. American academic and diplomat Eliot A. Cohen added this on Twitter, “The word treason is so strong that we must use it carefully. But that press conference has brought the President of the United States right up to that dark, dark shore.”

Trump's obeisance to Putin at Helsinki was easy to predict given his earlier refusals to call the Russians out and punish them. But were we ready to see him come this close to violating his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution? Watching him grovel and defer to Putin revealed Trump as a coward and weakling, an excuse-maker and an apologizer, and as someone unfit to hold the office of president. “If this is what President Trump says publicly, what did he tell Putin privately?” asked Sen. Mark Warner.

For months now, Trump has denounced the press as an “enemy of the people.” He said it again in a tweet on the day before his Putin meeting, expanding his enemy list to include “all the Dems.” Having deceitfully placed the phrase “enemy of the people” into currency, it’s only right that it has boomeranged on him.


What Trump did yesterday was far worse than what glen calls "made an ass of himself".


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Another surprise: he lied.

Trump’s ‘Missing DNC Server’ Is Neither Missing Nor a Server
The president can spout conspiracy theories all he wants. But the DNC turned over all its key data to the FBI after it got hacked. And that info wasn’t stored on a single server.
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Donald Trump turns to right-wing conspiracy theories when he’s cornered, and he was cornered on Monday. Standing feet away from Vladimir Putin at a press conference following their Helsinki tete-a-tete, a reporter challenged Trump to condemn Putin for Russia’s election interference, “in front of the world.”Instead, the world watched as the President of the United States took Putin’s side against his own Justice Department and his own intelligence agencies, and launched into a rambling discourse about Hillary Clinton’s emails and a supposedly missing DNC server that hides the truth about Putin’s innocence.
“You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why didn’t they take the server? Where is the server, I want to know, and what is the server saying?” (*)

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The “server” Trump is obsessed with is actually 140 servers, most of them cloud-based, which the DNC was forced to decommission in June of 2016 while trying to rid its network of the Russian GRU officers working to help Trump win the election, according to the figures in the DNC’s civil lawsuit against Russia and the Trump campaign. Another 180 desktop and laptop computers were also swapped out as the DNC raced to get the organization back on its feet and free of Putin’s surveillance.

But despite Trump’s repeated feverish claims to the contrary, no machines are actually missing.

It’s true that the FBI doesn’t have the DNC’s computer hardware. Agents didn’t sweep into DNC headquarters, load up all the equipment and leave Democrats standing stunned beside empty desks and dangling cables. There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with a deep state conspiracy to frame Putin.

Trump and his allies are capitalizing on a basic misapprehension of how computer intrusion investigations work. Investigating a virtual crime isn’t a like investigating a murder. The Russians didn’t leave DNA evidence on the server racks and fingerprints on the keyboards. All the evidence of their comings and goings was on the computer hard drives, and in memory, and in the ephemeral network transmissions to and from the GRU’s command-and-control servers.

When cyber investigators respond to an incident, they capture that evidence in a process called “imaging.” They make an exact byte-for-byte copy of the hard drives. They do the same for the machine’s memory, capturing evidence that would otherwise be lost at the next reboot, and they monitor and store the traffic passing through the victim’s network. This has been standard procedure in computer intrusion investigations for decades. The images, not the computer’s hardware, provide the evidence.

Both the DNC and the security firm Crowdstrike, hired to respond to the breach, have said repeatedly over the years that they gave the FBI a copy of all the DNC images back in 2016. The DNC reiterated that Monday in a statement to the Daily Beast.

“The FBI was given images of servers, forensic copies, as well as a host of other forensic information we collected from our systems,” said Adrienne Watson, the DNC’s deputy communications director. “We were in close contact and worked cooperatively with the FBI and were always responsive to their requests. Any suggestion that they were denied access to what they wanted for their investigation is completely incorrect.”

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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those politicians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just throwing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the USA and needs to be removed from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they may have to back up next year.

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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those piliticians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just ghrowing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the UDA and needs to be removrd from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they msy have to back up next year.

Puntin forever, eh, glen? We see which side YOU are on. This is far worse than "Trump making an ass of himself." This is Chamberlain appeasement territory - which is an accusation you freely aimed at Democrats for far less.

You need to look yourself in the mirror and try to decide which side you're really on. It's not too late.

This isn't "low information voters" - one of your right-wing talking points about Dems. It's about our nation.


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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those politicians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just throwing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the USA and needs to be removed from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they may have to back up next year.


Fucking lying-ass Trumper.

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Puntin forever, eh, glen? We see which side YOU are on. This is far worse than "Trump making an ass of himself." This is Chamberlain appeasement territory - which is an accusation you freely aimed at Democrats for far less.

You need to look yourself in the mirror and try to decide which side you're really on. It's not too late.


Absolutely appeasement territory. I know this guy has been a friend of yours GoU...maybe he still is on some level...but you're too kind.

It's already way, way too late for glen...this has been the side glen has been on for years. There's no difference between this glen and the glen of 2012. The difference is us. Back then we still believed in the notion of the "loyal opposition." We're the ones who have to look ourselves in the mirror and decide that we were wrong. There's no such thing as the "loyal opposition", there never has been. It's been a culture war since Reagan. And as I type this, I realize I'm wrong...for us baby boomers, it's been a culture war since the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those politicians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just throwing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the USA and needs to be removed from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they may have to back up next year.


"So called news."

Glen is saying, "fake news." He's also saying that those calling out Trump are the ones doing the misinforming. He's calling everyone against Trump the "low information folks." That's hilariously ironic. This is 100 percent cultist Trumper talk.

All Glen does is defend Trump while pretending he doesn't. He's completely ignored all the information laid out over the last year. He's completely ignored Trump's constant praise of Putin and his vilification of Americans, the free press, the EU, Allies and NATO. He's completely ignored Trump's constant attacks on the rule of law, on being investigated, on Mueller, which occur daily over Twitter. He's completely ignored Trump's continuous claim that Russia never interfered with the United States, even though his own Intel Folks tell him they did. He's completely ignored the indictments, including the key indictments that just happened, trying to find ways to counter them. He's completely ignored Trump's three in person meetings with Putin over a brief 1 year period, the last meeting being behind closed doors, which leads to the presser where Trump attacked the American Law and Justice system, and kissed Putin's ass. Trump says he trusts Putin over American Military and American intelligence services.

He's not adding this all together, which is a pretty big sum of treachery.

I've never seen such a pathetic display of sniveling denial.

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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those politicians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just throwing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the USA and needs to be removed from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they may have to back up next year.


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You sound triggered.


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Borrowed from a Twitter thread:

FDR: Hirohito denial very strong. Uncertain who attacked Pearl Harbor.

G. Washington: I don't see any reason Benedict would betray us.

JFK: No clear evidence of missiles in Cuba.

W. Wilson: Impossible to say who sunk Lusitania.

Eisenhower: Rosenbergs innocent. Stalin denial strong.

Nixon: I'm innocent. Had no reason to erase Oval Office recordings.

G.W. Bush: Osama bin who?

Reagan: Soviet Union is fine. Soviet Union is fine.

J. Madison: White House caught fire on its own.

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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those politicians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just throwing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the USA and needs to be removed from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they may have to back up next year.

Glen, I have highlighted the section of your post which, imo, meets the definition of treason. When the president or other official engages in conduct which hurts the security of this country what else shall we call it? Stupid? Ill-thought out? Were we in a state of declared war such actions would most definitely, imo, be treated as treasonous. Yet, we are in a state of war since the declaration, unofficial, granted, of the global war on terror not to mention the cyber-attack by Russia.

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Those on talk radio or those on so called news shows and those elected officials who call what Trump did treason are knowingly and willfully missinforming the low information folks who follow those shows and support those politicians. What Trump did was stupid,what Trump did hurt the security of the USA what Trump did has damaged us with our allies. But, the definition of treason is very high and those who use that word to describe what Trump did are just throwing red meat to those who don't know what treason is. What they should be saying is that Trump is a danger to the security of the USA and needs to be removed from office. But, that doesnt sell razor blades as well and politicians who are opposed to Trump won't say something they may have to back up next year.


That's Right glen, defend the Traitor.

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

That you, as an American would suppport and defend 45's words is disgusting and despicable. 45 is Traitor. The President of the United States duty is uphold American Values and defend American Interests and 45 failed to so. The Oath of Office for President say clearly to "Support, Protect and Defend The Constitution of The United Sates of America", and 45 wiped his ass with that Oath.

You are defending TREASON glen.

Fuck You glen, YOU ARE A TRAITOR!!!

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That's Right glen, defend the Traitor.

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

That you, as an American would suppport and defend 45's words is disgusting and despicable. 45 is Traitor. The President of the United States duty is uphold American Values and defend American Interests and 45 failed to so. The Oath of Office for President say clearly to "Support, Protect and Defend The Constitution of The United Sates of America", and 45 wiped his ass with that Oath.

You are defending TREASON glen.

Fuck You glen, YOU ARE A TRAITOR!!!


Yep, it is official, Glen is your physical enemy and wants you dead.

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Yep, it is official, Glen is your physical enemy and wants you dead.

me too


I am more than willing to defend myself against glen. I can kick his ass with one leg in a cast.

glen is vermine.

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I am more than willing to defend myself against glen. I can kick his ass with one leg in a cast.

glen is vermine.


He will swear up and down he doesnt, but by default his positions support the very people who VERY much want you and me dead.

I have said forever there is NO reason to think the glen's will EVER come around because to do that they have to admit they were wrong. But it is possible our ONLY chance of physically surviving all this is if they do, otherwise...well, there are just too many god damn guns in this country. We obviously should have done something about it before, but we didnt.

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I do think its best to calm down and see if Trump's own white house team can reach this
President and walk back his comments and ensure this President will never be allowed
to do these things again.

At least now we all now know the pecking order in world leadership for strong leadership
in Russia and China is apparent while we've got a Donald Trump who clearly can't cut
the mustard for the man folds when on the world stage which must terrify Europe,
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I do think its best to calm down and see if Trump's own white house team can reach this
President and walk back his comments and ensure this President will never be allowed
to do these things again.

At least now we all now know the pecking order in world leadership for strong leadership
in Russia and China is apparent while we've got a Donald Trump who clearly can't cut
the mustard for the man folds when on the world stage which must terrify Europe,
and makes one wonder what others like Japan are now thinking.

Are you joking?

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So they can maybe make him "act presidential?"

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Come on guys. You are acting way over the top about Glen. He's not coming to harm you and he isn't vermin. Glen has a family, a wife, children and grand kids. I get it. We are all extremely angry and betrayed, and it's easy to direct that on a board poster who doesn't want to agree. But Glen is just in very deep denial about what's happening and seems to think this is a football game where he's running defense for his team. He doesn't understand what is going on, and doesn't seem informed. Or doesn't want to be in order to protect himself. At the moment, he thinks/acts like this is just a political game.

We need to try and bring people around to what's happening. That's the job of patriots. And when some Trump supporters finally do see the light, we shouldn't ridicule or belittle them. They need to be brought on board to fight for their country and the western world.

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Come on guys. You are acting way over the top about Glen. He's not coming to harm you and he isn't vermin. Glen has a family, a wife, children and grand kids. I get it. We are all extremely angry and betrayed, and it's easy to direct that on a board poster who doesn't want to agree. But Glen is just in very deep denial about what's happening and seems to think this is a football game where he's running defense for his team. He doesn't understand what is going on, and doesn't seem informed. Or doesn't want to be in order to protect himself. At the moment, he thinks/acts like this is just a political game.

We need to try and bring people around to what's happening. That's the job of patriots. And when some Trump supporters finally do see the light, we shouldn't ridicule or belittle them. They need to be brought on board to fight for their country and the western world.

Agree, the problem is he is multiplied by 60 million and when that many of them think this way, we cant solve this.

Trying to GET to him might work , might not, but drastic times, drastic measures, etc

I am NOT saying HE PERSONALLY WANTS any of us dead, but he and everyone else gets my point.

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I am more than willing to defend myself against glen. I can kick his ass with one leg in a cast.

glen is vermine.


He's not vermin. Vermin should be exterminated. Please please please don't use the language of eliminationism especially in today's political climate.

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Are you joking?

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So they can maybe make him "act presidential?"


I think you are overreacting for there is nothing the Democrats can do to force him to
back track his comments in Helskinki for the Republicans are still in the majority in all
three branches of government. Whatever actions that can be taken will need the
support of Mitch McConnell/Paul Ryan for push too hard and this man can do even
more harm for he still has the pen and control of the button. Likely if the GOP
majority refuses to act, it then opens them up in November for the Democrats will
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Come on guys. You are acting way over the top about Glen. He's not coming to harm you and he isn't vermin. Glen has a family, a wife, children and grand kids. I get it. We are all extremely angry and betrayed, and it's easy to direct that on a board poster who doesn't want to agree. But Glen is just in very deep denial about what's happening and seems to think this is a football game where he's running defense for his team. He doesn't understand what is going on, and doesn't seem informed. Or doesn't want to be in order to protect himself. At the moment, he thinks/acts like this is just a political game.

We need to try and bring people around to what's happening. That's the job of patriots. And when some Trump supporters finally do see the light, we shouldn't ridicule or belittle them. They need to be brought on board to fight for their country and the western world.


Agreed about calling people vermin and such.

But for myself, I am done trying to have rational conversations with conservatives because seriously, they are willing cult members who believe everything they are told by known propagandists.

The white ones in particular are national security risks at this point, because their social pathology and deep, violent history of supporting treasonous regimes makes them susceptible to exploitation by other enemies of this country. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but my experience says they are ineducable by their own design.

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He's not vermin. Vermin should be exterminated. Please please please don't use the language of eliminationationism especially in today's political climate.


Glen is not the problem for its clear he's just as betrayed by this President and it must tough to see the
last two GOP Presidents were Bush and Trump, perhaps two of the worst Presidents in modern history.

In order to effectively push back and reign in this President, Democrats are going to need the support of
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What human beings are not: vermin
What Glen is: deluded

What conservative whites think they are: last bastion of civilization
What I think they are: deluded and dysfunctional

What the crime is (loose constitutional construction): treason
What the chances are of making that stick in US courts: low

What I think it is: treason
What has a better chance in US law: sedition, malfeasance, conspiracy, violating oath of office, collaborating with foreign agents

Why I think that: constitutional lawyers all say so

What we used to do with our traitors: hang them
What we do now: argue about it on the Nooz, do nothing, then move on

When the culture war started: Ike raises a great question here. I vote for civil rights movement, though Nam is a good possibility too.

What we're supposed to think about said culture war: it's the economy
What we know is the real story about the culture war: whites afraid of losing privilege

What caused the ruckus at that L.A. bar: see above

Why I say that: they say that

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