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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:53 am 
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Been saying this, this entire year. Somebody in the editorial dept at USA Today agrees, looks like.

Trump and Russia used race to divide America. Now it's a national security problem.

Their conformist, authoritarian, blood feud culture makes them so easy to exploit.

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The roughly 3,500 Facebook ads created by the Russian-based Internet Research Agency “consistently promoted ads designed to inflame race-related tensions,” a USA TODAY analysis found.

White supremacists who’ve tried to brand themselves as the “alt-right” often demonstrate a Trump-like reverence for Putin’s predominantly white, openly anti-LGBT Russia. And that affection is often rewarded by Russia’s vast propaganda efforts.

Dividing Americans over race is also the true art of Trump’s deal.

By demanding the first black president’s papers, he found a path into politics that he’d been seeking since at least 1988. “As someone possessing perhaps the best raw political instincts of any Republican in his generation, Trump had intuited, correctly, that a racist attack targeting a black president was the surest way to ingratiate himself with grass-roots Republican voters,” Joshua Green wrote.

While mainstream Republicans shrugged off birtherism, vast majorities of the GOP favored the theory that Obama had faked his own birth, even eight years into his presidency.

In 2015, likely inspired by Ann Coulter, Trump’s instincts took his racism to new levels labeling all but “some” Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.


We all look alike to them; we're all criminals, rapists, and gang members, to them. These vicious white conservative cultural values long pre-date the Nazis they are so often compared to, by hundreds of years.

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Careful Carmen, you a certain unnamed member of this forum will calll you a racist for posting facts like this.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:22 pm 
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Careful Carmen, you a certain unnamed member of this forum will calll you a racist for posting facts like this.

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Those people think anyone who doesn't believe in God's Favorites getting the biggest and best of everything is "racist" and that they're victims of such "racism." #BOAN

It's exactly the mentality exploited by dictators like Putin and President Tin Pot.

Meanwhile here in reality, dumb white conservative bigots ran around screaming "The south will rise again! Russia is our friend!!" when they went back to Charlottesville. viewtopic.php?p=378973#p378973

The same stupid tikitorch poloshirts are going to be in DC for another round of this murder-minded white supremacy in August.

Yesterday, it was reported that the League of the South "launches Russian-language page to promote 'Southern nationalism'"

https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/ ... he_so.html

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"As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters," Hill wrote.

"A firm and resolute understanding and commitment to cooperation between the Russian people and the people of the South could indeed be the foundation for a better world in which our peoples thrive and prosper far into the future," he added.


:problem: uh-huh. I don't care if the one group of people with the track record of the worst social and political judgments in America think I'm an oppressive racist for talking about their murderous history and current violence-based culture.

Russia never got over losing the Russian Empire and later the Soviet Union, whereas conservative whites never got over losing the Civil War, even as they yell and scream we're supposed to get over the same slavery they seek to re-impose.

They can go jump in the lake.

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They are so damn desparate to believe their skin color makes them special. Their little of racial superiority is so unbelievable.....I'm sure their African Forebears would be rolling in their graves.

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A non-trivial number of conservative whites have been the most consistent national security problem for a long time, but the "Islamic Terrorists" got all the attention thanks to 9/11. Russia, of course, exploits these divisions. Wouldn't you, in their place? The US spent them (and much of itself) into the poorhouse in the Cold War, then claimed victory. A bit premature, I would say.

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A non-trivial number of conservative whites have been the most consistent national security problem for a long time, but the "Islamic Terrorists" got all the attention thanks to 9/11. Russia, of course, exploits these divisions. Wouldn't you, in their place? The US spent them (and much of itself) into the poorhouse in the Cold War, then claimed victory. A bit premature, I would say.


Yes exactly. During the Cold War, it used to be "but you beat the blacks" whattabouttery. This week it's been a flood of more "the server" and "but Obama..." they've been repeating for two years.

Remember after 9/11 how the cons used to say, "we haffta fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here..."? and of course some of us have been saying: we've already been fighting them over here, man. Them is you.

Not only that, I don't see a big difference between confederates and jihadis, anyway. Same mass-murder, same violence, same suppression of their own women, same desires for government based on it, same facial hair. Different music, I guess.

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"As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters," Hill wrote.

WTF is he talking about? Russians do not have the same culture as the Finnish who do not have the same culture as the Norse who do not have the same culture as the Irish who do not have the same culture as the English who do not have the same culture as the Scots who do not have the same culture as the French who do not have the same culture as the Germans who do not have the same culture as the Danish...etc.

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Yeah. Well, the kernal seemed to believe in something called "black culture" and I asked him what about "white culture" ... well, some of these folks seem to believe being born with white skin makes you part of a common culture ... well, shit, Franz Boas argued against that nonsense more than a century ago.

I suspect many of those guys, while they probably would like the antigay etc. positions of the Russian Orthodox Church, would be very puzzled at Eastern Orthodox rituals and ceremonies, even IF they could understand the Russian language.

This guy would walk in the room and they'd be like ... uh ... who dat?

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Who invited Gandalf? :D

BTW, WASPs drafting the 1920s Immigration Reform Act definitely did not view the Eastern European Slavs and Russians they were trying to keep out of the country with nativist barriers as part of a common race or culture ...

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Yeah. Well, the kernal seemed to believe in something called "black culture" and I asked him what about "white culture" ... well, some of these folks seem to believe being born with white skin makes you part of a common culture ... well, shit, Franz Boas argued against that nonsense more than a century ago.

I suspect many of those guys, while they probably would like the antigay etc. positions of the Russian Orthodox Church, would be very puzzled at Eastern Orthodox rituals and ceremonies, even IF they could understand the Russian language.

This guy would walk in the room and they'd be like ... uh ... who dat?

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Who invited Gandalf? :D


I see it as about the same as the conservobot Christian and Jewish Zionists who look at each other with deep contempt yet find each other strategically useful for the moment. These white Evangelicals who can't even stand an Episcopalian service and think Catholicism is idol worship of the devil would freak the ever-living F. out, if they ever stepped into an Orthodox church. Especially those ones that have prayer books in Arabic.

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What's ironic for myself is that despite what I know about their social conservatism, I find Orthodoxy stunningly beautiful. Their music, the scents, the Divine Liturgy, and of course the icons do help one understand what Christian mysticism is. But again, white Evangelicals think that's Satanic.

Until it means getting back at the blacks...

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I see it as about the same as the conservobot Christian and Jewish Zionists who look at each other with deep contempt yet find each other strategically useful for the moment. These white Evangelicals who can't even stand an Episcopalian service and think Catholicism is idol worship of the devil would freak the ever-living F. out, if they ever stepped into an Orthodox church. Especially those ones that have prayer books in Arabic.

:?

What's ironic for myself is that despite what I know about their social conservatism, I find Orthodoxy stunningly beautiful. Their music, the scents, the Divine Liturgy, and of course the icons do help one understand what Christian mysticism is. But again, white Evangelicals think that's Satanic.

Until it means getting back at the blacks...

The only thing I liked about Ukrainian Greek Orthodox churches was the smell of the beeswax candles.

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The only thing I liked about Ukrainian Greek Orthodox churches was the smell of the beeswax candles.


Yes Russian Orthodox incense is a small universe of its own, too. I go to the big ROCOR (Russian Church Outside Russia) cathedral bookstore here to get incense, and really just browse the shelves, buy some books every once in a while, and learn - been going there since the 90s. The monks are really nice to talk to, and while there isn't really a confessional affiliation with Ethiopian Orthodoxy (and as I understand it, there isn't a lot of cultural crossover in this city either) I get the sense when I walk in the store it's not the first time they've seen a black girl coming there. :)

Funny thing, this used to happen going in this big Indian/South Asian grocery that no longer exists. You'd see some of everybody from the Spice Trade in there, from Ethiopians to Middle Easterners to of course Indians. Probably Pakistanis, too.

The world is complex, people are complicated.

This is the monastery that does the incense I get - https://www.holycross-hermitage.com/col ... se-worship

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Here, the local Greek Orthodox church has an annual festival, which includes walking around the park-like grounds, drinking beer or Retsina, and later going inside for a Greek dinner. I'd estimate that 90% of the people who attend, don't even belong to any Orthodox church. :)

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Here, the local Greek Orthodox church has an annual festival, which includes walking around the park-like grounds, drinking beer or Retsina, and later going inside for a Greek dinner. I'd estimate that 90% of the people who attend, don't even belong to any Orthodox church. :)


Yes I attend the Greek Otrhodox festival here every so often so I know what you mean. Reception is the same as at the ROCOR cathedral bookstore and the little old Greek ladies there are super nice. Usually the only Black person around for cubic metric miles.

But also, that's very San Francisco. The festival here is marketed primarily as a food festival. Also very San Francisco/Foodietown.

Lol hard to blame them. Nobody around here but me would ever show up to a Greek Orthodox/Religion in America festival :lol:

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Yes I attend the Greek Otrhodox festival here every so often so I know what you mean. Reception is the same as at the ROCOR cathedral bookstore and the little old Greek ladies there are super nice. Usually the only Black person around for cubic metric miles.

But also, that's very San Francisco. The festival here is marketed primarily as a food festival. Also very San Francisco/Foodietown.

Lol hard to blame them. Nobody around here but me would ever show up to a Greek Orthodox/Religion in America festival :lol:

Yes! Same here, food booths all over the place. It's where I learned that baklava HAS to be fresh. :)

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Careful Carmen, you a certain unnamed member of this forum will calll you a racist for posting facts like this.

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Yeh...a certain unnamed member who's name starts with a glen.

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A White Supremacist Group based in Alabama is calling for stronger ties Russia.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/22 ... south.html.

They hate America. Racist Traitorous White Sheet Wearing Assholes.

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A White Supremacist Group based in Alabama is calling for stronger ties Russia.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/22 ... south.html.

They hate America. Racist Traitorous White Sheet Wearing Assholes.

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