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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:31 am 
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I agree with that point. In arguing with 9/11 truthers, I found empirical facts against their theories rarely dissuaded them.

But, as I often note, I'm not trying to convince them. I offer facts for those who are willing to listen to them; obviously, they don't work on those who won't.

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Jews, of course, are the universal People Not Like Us. "... and everybody hates the Jews." -Tom Lehrer.

The red X is the best thing that ever happened on twitter. Shows who to mute or block. They make it so easy.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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California Wildfire Suspect Posted About QAnon, Other Conspiracies
“This place is going to burn,” Forrest Clark allegedly texted a volunteer fire chief two weeks before the fire.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ca ... 32af97e953

A man arrested on Tuesday in connection with a devastating wildfire in Southern California is a conspiracy theorist who posted videos about satanic rituals and QAnon.

“This place is going to burn,” Forrest Clark, 51, allegedly texted a volunteer fire chief two weeks before an inferno enveloped Orange County, burning nearly 20,000 acres and destroying 12 homes.

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On his Facebook page, Clark had posted dozens of videos spanning years delving into absurd conspiracies, including beliefs that Satanists run amok and control the world. He believed Pizzagate is real (it’s not, but it did lead to a seriously dangerous situation) and more recently that someone deep within the U.S. intelligence community is posting clues to troll boards, including 4chan and 8chan, about a coming political reckoning.

The latter, referred to as QAnon, has suckered legions of conspiracy-minded parties to believe that President Donald Trump is secretly busting a massive pedophile ring. They also believe the president will be liberated from all suspicion in special counsel Robert Mueller’s FBI investigation into Russia’s possible influence on the 2016 presidential election.

As HuffPost reporter Andy Campbell has pointed out, the conspiracy has led to real-world consequences. In June, a man armed with an AR-15 drove an armored vehicle onto the bridge near the Hoover Dam in Nevada where he had a standoff with police before officers arrested him. While blocking traffic, he held up a sign that read “Release the OIG report,” which QAnon had recently been posting about.

Clark’s arrest earlier this week once again puts the spotlight on the possible real impact of conspiracies.

Clark allegedly started the fire following a dispute with Milligan. Two weeks ago, he came to Milligan’s home to return items he “borrowed” from the fire department, the volunteer fire chief said.

“I said, ’I want nothing to do with you, Forrest. Just go,’” Milligan said, according to CNN. “He was being gentlemanly in the beginning, and turned and then swore at me, and turned and left and was quoting the Bible. Later, he came back and told me what a jerk I was and everyone was after him.”

“The place is going to burn just like you planned,” Clark later texted, according to Milligan.

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Like Pizzagate, QAnon is increasingly ... getting real(ly bad). :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:35 pm 
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California Wildfire Suspect Posted About QAnon, Other Conspiracies
“This place is going to burn,” Forrest Clark allegedly texted a volunteer fire chief two weeks before the fire.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ca ... 32af97e953

A man arrested on Tuesday in connection with a devastating wildfire in Southern California is a conspiracy theorist who posted videos about satanic rituals and QAnon.

“This place is going to burn,” Forrest Clark, 51, allegedly texted a volunteer fire chief two weeks before an inferno enveloped Orange County, burning nearly 20,000 acres and destroying 12 homes.

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On his Facebook page, Clark had posted dozens of videos spanning years delving into absurd conspiracies, including beliefs that Satanists run amok and control the world. He believed Pizzagate is real (it’s not, but it did lead to a seriously dangerous situation) and more recently that someone deep within the U.S. intelligence community is posting clues to troll boards, including 4chan and 8chan, about a coming political reckoning.

The latter, referred to as QAnon, has suckered legions of conspiracy-minded parties to believe that President Donald Trump is secretly busting a massive pedophile ring. They also believe the president will be liberated from all suspicion in special counsel Robert Mueller’s FBI investigation into Russia’s possible influence on the 2016 presidential election.

As HuffPost reporter Andy Campbell has pointed out, the conspiracy has led to real-world consequences. In June, a man armed with an AR-15 drove an armored vehicle onto the bridge near the Hoover Dam in Nevada where he had a standoff with police before officers arrested him. While blocking traffic, he held up a sign that read “Release the OIG report,” which QAnon had recently been posting about.

Clark’s arrest earlier this week once again puts the spotlight on the possible real impact of conspiracies.

Clark allegedly started the fire following a dispute with Milligan. Two weeks ago, he came to Milligan’s home to return items he “borrowed” from the fire department, the volunteer fire chief said.

“I said, ’I want nothing to do with you, Forrest. Just go,’” Milligan said, according to CNN. “He was being gentlemanly in the beginning, and turned and then swore at me, and turned and left and was quoting the Bible. Later, he came back and told me what a jerk I was and everyone was after him.”

“The place is going to burn just like you planned,” Clark later texted, according to Milligan.

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Like Pizzagate, QAnon is increasingly ... getting real(ly bad). :evil:

To borrow from Parke Godwin: (regarding humans) "I would say they are technically brilliant, emotionally primitive and not a few of them quite mad."

We are seeing more and more of that toxic mix.

If this guy actually started the fire he needs to go away permanently.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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"This place is going to burn" means little out of context. I don't think a legal case for criminal intent can be based on that alone. People have been saying that about L.A. hills for decades, but they aren't arsonists.

This guy sounds really off his nut. There's probably other evidence we don't know about.

Agreed that conspiracism is out of hand. Internet gives it fuel, the way 5-year droughts do for fires. It's the net version of The Dark Side in the Star Wars universe.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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I'm sure others have had this feeling too, but have any of you considered that these people--Q, Bannon, Trump himself, and the many many others, are really people who read too many Marvel and DC comics and took the fantasy too seriously? The very outrageous characteristics of their various claims, beliefs, actions seems awfully similar to watching a few episodes of The Flash--minus the actual superpowers.

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Well, I would say if "Q" exists he is some kind of real-life "James Bond" as the archetype, but of course, I doubt he does. Though there may be one or more people pretending to be him.

I'm not really sure if they are actual alt-rightists, or just some folks who, like Stephen Colbert pretending to be someone on the right, are just having some fun at other peoples' expense.

Anyway, people say CTs are harmless. Well, no, they are not. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion led to genocide, as Norman Cohn famously argued.

Pizzagate wasn't harmless, and now that "QAnon" devotees are bringing weapons on dams and starting fires, they are not harmless, either.

Quite a few hosts have found it really funny these people believe Trump is some kind of hero fighting vast deep-state based networks of pedophiles, given his own ... odd ... behavior toward his own daughter, and teen beauty contestants.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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Well, I would say if "Q" exists he is some kind of real-life "James Bond" as the archetype, but of course, I doubt he does. Though there may be one or more people pretending to be him.

I'm not really sure if they are actual alt-rightists, or just some folks who, like Stephen Colbert pretending to be someone on the right, are just having some fun at other peoples' expense.

Anyway, people say CTs are harmless. Well, no, they are not. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion led to genocide, as Norman Cohn famously argued.

Pizzagate wasn't harmless, and now that "QAnon" devotees are bringing weapons on dams and starting fires, they are not harmless, either.

Quite a few hosts have found it really funny these people believe Trump is some kind of hero fighting vast deep-state based networks of pedophiles, given his own ... odd ... behavior toward his own daughter, and teen beauty contestants.

Words matter. Bernays certainly knew that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:18 am 
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QAnon Wearing Cop Meets With Pence
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/brow ... e-10938571

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Vice President Mike Pence arrived at Fort-Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport just after noon on Friday. He was greeted by a Broward Sheriff's Office SWAT team that included one cop in a #QAnon conspiracy-theory patch. #QAnon is, of course, the batshit-insane, 4Chan-based conspiracy theory that claims Donald Trump is secretly fighting a war with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to capture a secret, elite pedophile ring that includes prominent celebrities and Democratic politicians, including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The theory seems to have come from a group of online con-artists, according to one NBC News investigation.

So it's definitely troubling that an armed BSO SWAT officer hung out with the vice president while wearing a QAnon patch. Jared Holt, a reporter with RightWingWatch, first noticed the photo, which Pence tweeted from his official account. Holt was able to find the same patch for sale on Amazon. The patch says "Question the Narrative."

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There are serious questions about whether a cop should be able to keep his or her job after professing belief in a theory like QAnon. Simply put: QAnon is painfully stupid. The theory is based around an anonymous 4Chan user who claims to have top-level government security clearances. The poster has never provided evidence to prove this. There is instead evidence that the "QAnon" 4Chan account has been used by multiple people.

[snip]

There's also a fairly plausible theory that the entire QAnon conspiracy is a Leftist/Antifa-generated con designed to fool gullible people online. One of the QAnon community's major slogans, "Where we go one, we go all," originated in the 1996 disaster action-film White Squall. (*)

Earlier this year, a team of investigative reporters at NBC News tracked the first few QAnon posts back to a small group of three online theorists who all but certainly took anonymous "joke" posts on 4Chan and amplified them into a full-fledged conspiracy. Some of these theorists appear to have accidentally filmed themselves logging into anonymous "Q" accounts that, according to the conspiracy, were supposed to be controlled by secret government operatives.

[snip]

More to the point: In September, Reddit banned a stream of QAnon-related threads because conspiracy believers kept posting violent threats inside the Subreddits. Users repeatedly threatened to murder Hillary Clinton.

[snip]

Unfortunately, this is not the first South Florida cop caught spreading online conspiracies. Earlier this year, a North Miami Beach Police officer, Ericson Harrell, was taken off the street after he posted online that he thought the survivors of the Parkland school massacre were "crisis-actors." They're not.

[snip][end]

I don't know how QAnon started. My spider sense says the theory it started out as a prank by lefties to show how gullible righties are, could be correct. However, as with so many Frankenstein monsters, I think it got out of the original pranksters' control, and other people are now moving with it. Who may actually believe it, or at least have a different agenda. Whatever the case, like so many other CTs, it's dangerous mostly because it appears to motivate gullible people to do ridiculously dangerous things.

However it started, I agree with Miami New Times - any BSO officer wearing that nonsense on his uniform should be disciplined. I don't know if fired, but at least that. BTW, have I also mentioned it's creepy how much this shows police have become militarized ... just by how they're dressed in general?

I'm not holding Pence responsible - I'm not sure he was even aware of what the man was wearing when the photo was taken.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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John de Lancie could run a pretty amazing secret cabal if he tried, I suspect.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mystery of Q
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The cop is out of uniform, not to mention promoting a political view in his role as a peace officer, and needs to be dragged before the relevant disciplinary system (if any), and then not be a cop any more.

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QAnon Wearing Cop Meets With Pence
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/brow ... e-10938571

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Vice President Mike Pence arrived at Fort-Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport just after noon on Friday. He was greeted by a Broward Sheriff's Office SWAT team that included one cop in a #QAnon conspiracy-theory patch. #QAnon is, of course, the batshit-insane, 4Chan-based conspiracy theory that claims Donald Trump is secretly fighting a war with Special Counsel Robert Mueller to capture a secret, elite pedophile ring that includes prominent celebrities and Democratic politicians, including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The theory seems to have come from a group of online con-artists, according to one NBC News investigation.

So it's definitely troubling that an armed BSO SWAT officer hung out with the vice president while wearing a QAnon patch. Jared Holt, a reporter with RightWingWatch, first noticed the photo, which Pence tweeted from his official account. Holt was able to find the same patch for sale on Amazon. The patch says "Question the Narrative."

[snip]

There are serious questions about whether a cop should be able to keep his or her job after professing belief in a theory like QAnon. Simply put: QAnon is painfully stupid. The theory is based around an anonymous 4Chan user who claims to have top-level government security clearances. The poster has never provided evidence to prove this. There is instead evidence that the "QAnon" 4Chan account has been used by multiple people.

[snip]

There's also a fairly plausible theory that the entire QAnon conspiracy is a Leftist/Antifa-generated con designed to fool gullible people online. One of the QAnon community's major slogans, "Where we go one, we go all," originated in the 1996 disaster action-film White Squall. (*)

Earlier this year, a team of investigative reporters at NBC News tracked the first few QAnon posts back to a small group of three online theorists who all but certainly took anonymous "joke" posts on 4Chan and amplified them into a full-fledged conspiracy. Some of these theorists appear to have accidentally filmed themselves logging into anonymous "Q" accounts that, according to the conspiracy, were supposed to be controlled by secret government operatives.

[snip]

More to the point: In September, Reddit banned a stream of QAnon-related threads because conspiracy believers kept posting violent threats inside the Subreddits. Users repeatedly threatened to murder Hillary Clinton.

[snip]

Unfortunately, this is not the first South Florida cop caught spreading online conspiracies. Earlier this year, a North Miami Beach Police officer, Ericson Harrell, was taken off the street after he posted online that he thought the survivors of the Parkland school massacre were "crisis-actors." They're not.

[snip][end]

I don't know how QAnon started. My spider sense says the theory it started out as a prank by lefties to show how gullible righties are, could be correct. However, as with so many Frankenstein monsters, I think it got out of the original pranksters' control, and other people are now moving with it. Who may actually believe it, or at least have a different agenda. Whatever the case, like so many other CTs, it's dangerous mostly because it appears to motivate gullible people to do ridiculously dangerous things.

However it started, I agree with Miami New Times - any BSO officer wearing that nonsense on his uniform should be disciplined. I don't know if fired, but at least that. BTW, have I also mentioned it's creepy how much this shows police have become militarized ... just by how they're dressed in general?

I'm not holding Pence responsible - I'm not sure he was even aware of what the man was wearing when the photo was taken.

The guy has been demoted, job-wise, from the sheriff’s office’s strategic investigations division’s Office of Homeland Security and from the agency SWAT team to the sheriff's law enforcement division.
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On Monday, the Broward County Sheriff’s Office issued a written reprimand to Patten, stating that the QAnon conspiracy theory was “controversial” and made the sheriff’s office seem “biased” politically.

“This resulted in negative ramifications on a national platform as a controversy for the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, the County, the SWAT team, and Sergeant Patten,” the reprimand read.

Patten was removed from the sheriff’s office’s strategic investigations division’s Office of Homeland Security and from the agency SWAT team, said Broward County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Veda Coleman-Wright.

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The guy has been demoted, job-wise, from the sheriff’s office’s strategic investigations division’s Office of Homeland Security and from the agency SWAT team to the sheriff's law enforcement division.

Humans, yeesh.

Conspiracy is always more interesting than reality. Unfortunately reality has a way of punching people in the sack. Which results in them turning more and more to conspiracy.

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