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"But teacher, I already know how to curse!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Should we be doing this? Or has cursive gone the way of the slide rule? https://nordot.app/1100364223661752738? ... 7532812385
In 2016, California Democratic state Assemblymember Sharon Quirk-Silva sat with then-California Gov. Jerry Brown at an event where he signed baseball-type cards featuring the image of his dog, Colusa.

But many of the recipients of the cards couldn’t read his cursive signature, Quirk-Silva recalled, much to the Democratic governor’s dismay. “The governor asked me what I did” before becoming a legislator, she remembered. “I said I was a teacher, and he said, ‘You have to bring back cursive writing.’”

Last month, the California legislature unanimously passed and Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a law requiring the teaching of cursive or “joined italics” handwriting in grades one through six.

While grandparents’ sprawling handwriting on birthday cards or treasured family recipes may spring to mind when many younger people think of cursive, some educators today think it’s a skill worth reviving even — or maybe especially — in an age when most kids spend hours every day on their smartphones. But others think students already have too many subjects to master and that their fingers belong on keyboards.

Some California teachers already were teaching cursive, but not usually in underresourced schools, Quirk-Silva said in an interview.

She argued cursive is valuable to read historical documents, increases writing speed and has become a popular way for teachers to make sure students are not using artificial intelligence to craft their written work.
My handwriting has always been sub-par, I'm a lefty and had straight Cs in the subject. I had learned to type starting in third grade and always preferred a keyboard. BUT, unlike the right's dear leader, when I sign my name, you can read it. Am I the only one? Or do you guys just do a scribble for a signature?
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My signature is awful and rarely the same, mostly because I'm lazy. Yet, still neater than with my other hand. I can write with either hand, but my right hand tends to be much slower than my left. My son is a big sushi fan and can't use chopsticks, so I take every opportunity to make fun of him by using them interchangeably with either hand.

Knowing cursive isn't necessarily a bad skill to have, and good for signing things. It also teaches fine motor skills and dexterity.
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Maybe it should be offered but not required.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:43 am Maybe it should be offered but not required.
Oh, so children should be given the choice of what they get taught? How does a teacher do that? One teacher, five different subjects at the same time?

I'd say everyone gets the same lesson at the same time.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:50 am Oh, so children should be given the choice of what they get taught? How does a teacher do that? One teacher, five different subjects at the same time?

I'd say everyone gets the same lesson at the same time.
We had elective courses and I am sure a grading period of cursive writing could easily be added to an elective course.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:53 am We had elective courses and I am sure a grading period of cursive writing could easily be added to an elective course.
You had electives in grade school?

We had ONE teacher, and everyone got the same thing. Electives didn't happen till Jr High.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:55 am You had electives in grade school?

We had ONE teacher, and everyone got the same thing. Electives didn't happen till Jr High.
No I was thinking about kids in Jr or Sr high school
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:56 am No I was thinking about kids in Jr or Sr high school
You don't learn cursive in senior high, dude. We were done with it in grade school. THINK about it.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:57 am You don't learn cursive in senior high, dude. We were done with it in grade school. THINK about it.
I was speaking of now not then. I don't believe cursive is taught any longer.
Probably no need for it and the tome could be spent better.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:00 am I was speaking of now not then. I don't believe cursive is taught any longer.
Probably no need for it and the tome could be spent better.
You learn to write in grade school. I was past that in Jr. High. Maybe you weren't. Maybe not, since you still can't spell for shit.

My only problem with it is that educators, not lawmakers, should decide what is and isn't taught in school.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:02 am You learn to write in grade school. I was past that in Jr. High. Maybe you weren't. Maybe not, since you still can't spell for shit.

My only problem with it is that educators, not lawmakers, should decide what is and isn't taught in school.
Jesus Mary and Joseph would you quit playing gotcha.
Many schools are no longer teaching cursive which is what the thread is about.
I offered an opinion that maybe cursive could be offered as an elective.
I assumed that everyone here would have the ability to comprehend what I was talking about without drawing a picture.
I was wrong
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:08 am Jesus Mary and Joseph would you quit playing gotcha.
Many schools are no longer teaching cursive which is what the thread is about.
I offered an opinion that maybe cursive could be offered as an elective.
I assumed that everyone here would have the ability to comprehend what I was talking about without drawing a picture.
I was wrong
Again, I ask how you make it an elective when you have ONE teacher, one class. It's the kind of thing that is taught in grade school, not high school.

I think I started learning it in 3rd grade or so.

I don't think lawmakers should be mandating what is taught in school.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:12 am Again, I ask how you make it an elective when you have ONE teacher, one class. It's the kind of thing that is taught in grade school, not high school.

I think I started learning it in 3rd grade or so.

I don't think lawmakers should be mandating what is taught in school.
More gotcha. Maybe you truly don't have very good comprehension.
Because it is no longer taught in grade school maybe it could be made a part of an elective course in Jr or Sr high school.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:15 am More gotcha. Maybe you truly don't have very good comprehension.
Because it is no longer taught in grade school maybe it could be made a part of an elective course in Jr or Sr high school.
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If you aren't taught early, it wouldn't require a class. I mean, c'mon.

But it's probably better to teach typing - oops, keyboard - than cursive in school, based on how often you will use the skills.

I've been very happy to have learned to type in grade school. I could type 80 WPM by fifth grade. Coulda done faster if it wasn't a manual typewriter. In high school I could type 90 a minute on a Selectric.
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Toonces wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:08 am My signature is awful and rarely the same, mostly because I'm lazy. Yet, still neater than with my other hand. I can write with either hand, but my right hand tends to be much slower than my left. My son is a big sushi fan and can't use chopsticks, so I take every opportunity to make fun of him by using them interchangeably with either hand.

Knowing cursive isn't necessarily a bad skill to have, and good for signing things. It also teaches fine motor skills and dexterity.
Back in the 80s, I had two travelers checks I needed to cash at the AF Exchange. After I signed both checks and presented my ID to the customer service clerk she looked at me and said "If I hadn't seen you sign the checks I would have said these were two different signatures." Later, I did some checking on some paperwork at work and many of them looked different. I decided to add a little flourish to my signature and since then it's been easy to tell my signature.

I don't feel bad for your son because I can't use chopsticks either.
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Cursive writing is taught in elementary school after children learn to print. I remember learning to print where we used lined paper to learn print. There was a top and bottom solid lines where you print capital letters and in the middle was a dotted line where you'd print lower case letters between the dotted line and the bottom line.

Once we "mastered" printing we learned cursive writing using the same line paper we learned to print on. I think it wasn't until the third or fourth grade that we learned cursive writing.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:17 pm Cursive writing is taught in elementary school after children learn to print. I remember learning to print where we used lined paper to learn print. There was a top and bottom solid lines where you print capital letters and in the middle was a dotted line where you'd print lower case letters between the dotted line and the bottom line.

Once we "mastered" printing we learned cursive writing using the same line paper we learned to print on. I think it wasn't until the third or fourth grade that we learned cursive writing.
Late second or early 3rd as I recall.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:17 pm Cursive writing is taught in elementary school after children learn to print. I remember learning to print where we used lined paper to learn print. There was a top and bottom solid lines where you print capital letters and in the middle was a dotted line where you'd print lower case letters between the dotted line and the bottom line.

Once we "mastered" printing we learned cursive writing using the same line paper we learned to print on. I think it wasn't until the third or fourth grade that we learned cursive writing.
Cursive is part of reading and writing. It should be taught. It’s not that hard to learn. If we are so tight on time I think they might find something else to cut. These students should be able to read the constitution and the Declaration of Independence as it was written or a birthday card from their grandma. I find it telling that certain “educators” don’t believe reading is fundamental.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:02 pm Cursive is part of reading and writing. It should be taught. It’s not that hard to learn. If we are so tight on time I think they might find something else to cut. These students should be able to read the constitution and the Declaration of Independence as it was written or a birthday card from their grandma. I find it telling that certain “educators” don’t believe reading is fundamental.
What “educators”?

And the argument can be made that it’s not something we really use these days, any more than slide rules.

I remember going through tool-and-die school and shop math. We had to do everything longhand, but in the shop no one did it anymore in the early eighties. We all had calculators.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:13 pm What “educators”?

And the argument can be made that it’s not something we really use these days, any more than slide rules.

I remember going through tool-and-die school and shop math. We had to do everything longhand, but in the shop no one did it anymore in the early eighties. We all had calculators.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:45 pm State of Oregon has no requirements

https://www.oregonlive.com/education/20 ... color.html
And that proves… what?

I’m saying it should be up to educators, not politicians, what the kids study.
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WTF u all talkin bout?
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:57 pm And that proves… what?

I’m saying it should be up to educators, not politicians, what the kids study.
You asked what educators didn't require students to be able to read. Well, you can begin with Oregon.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:20 am You asked what educators didn't require students to be able to read. Well, you can begin with Oregon.
That and whatever schools gave you a diploma, right?
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To print or write in cursive, that is the question. I'd say most adults who learned cursive write in cursive but will print short notes. Whenever I got a long note, message, or letter from someone I wasn't familiar with who "printed" my impression was the person wasn't very educated. I know that's a false impression but first impressions matter.

For the record, I'll print short notes to others but anything longer will be in cursive.
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