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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:31 am 
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But we don't have munny for quote unquote freeeeee collllllllgggggggggggggeeeeeeeeee!!!1!!!!!!!!!!

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Way more dead in Puerto Rico than in NYC. Reckon how many white christian confederates will remember that...and if they do, how many will give a shit.

Donald Trump...our very own home grown Mohamed Atta. He didn't even have to fly a plane...all he had to do is look the other way.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:51 pm 
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Can't afford free college, but can afford ethnic cleansing.

Texas tent facility for immigrant children to expand despite wind-down of separations - CNN

By "tent-facility" they mean "open-air concentration camp" :problem:

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The Department of Health and Human Services will keep open and expand a temporary tent facility for immigrant children it is operating in Tornillo, Texas, even as most of the children it was caring for as a result of family separations at the border have been moved out of HHS custody.

According to HHS Administration for Children and Families spokesman Kenneth Wolfe, the facility will more than triple its capacity to 3,800 temporary bed spots and will stay open at least through December 31. Not all of the beds will come online at once -- 1,400 of them will be placed on reserve to be opened as needed. The facility currently has 1,200 beds.

Wolfe said family separations were "not driving" the expansion, which is being done to accommodate the high number of children who came to the US illegally by themselves. There are more than 12,800 children currently in HHS custody, a number higher than many of the weekly totals during the family separation crisis this summer. Only about 400 of those children are considered separated from families.

"HHS is legally required to provide care and shelter for all unaccompanied alien children referred by DHS, and works in close coordination with DHS on the security and safety of the children and community," Wolfe said in a statement.


We have $$$ to incarcerate 13K immigrant children. But we don't have $$$ for free college, tho.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:34 pm 
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But we can't afford free collllllidddgggggggge

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It’s an immigration crisis few know of. And Fresno County might be at the center of it - Fresno Bee

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Thousands of immigrants in the Fresno region and nation could face deportation to a country that’s rarely discussed in the daily news cycle, and in some respects has been forgotten.

Many Laotians and Lao Hmong refugees in the Fresno area and their relatives still live in immigration limbo in the aftermath of the Vietnam War and the so-called “Secret War” in Southeast Asia.

At issue, however, is whether Laotians and Lao Hmong slated for deportation in the U.S. will now be sent to their home country, due to aggressive sanctions the Trump administration has placed on the Southeast Asian nation.

Typically, countries take back deportees when they are ejected from the U.S. for committing crimes or being here illegally.

However, a few countries like Laos previously have not cooperated and have refused to accept back citizens designated for deportation.

Consequently, there are Laotians living in Fresno and other places who’ve had a deportation order for years. Because their home countries declined to take them back, however, there was nowhere to deport them to.


We have Republican war policies from 40 years ago to thank for this.

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Can't afford free college, but can afford ethnic cleansing.

Texas tent facility for immigrant children to expand despite wind-down of separations - CNN

By "tent-facility" they mean "open-air concentration camp" :problem:



We have $$$ to incarcerate 13K immigrant children. But we don't have $$$ for free college, tho.


so by winding down they mean ongoing

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:57 am 
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More conservative smaller government...

The Little Yellow Sanctuary in the Shadow of ICE - The Nation



Conservative whites have NO problem with their exalted tax munny going to suppress minorities, ever.

Glenfs is no different; 2018 is no different from their national socialst mentality of 1918. Ane we know what happened a year later. :problem:



i DONT CARE ABOUT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE PAY FOR FREE COLLEGE. I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anyone who asks any questions about how we pay for it is a racist.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:07 am 
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People get so stuck on words. "Free". I spent a lot of time as an undergraduate looking for free ... free pizza, free beer.

Here's my position. In-state public universities and community colleges should be affordable and accessible to everyone in the state. (Not private colleges and universities.) Reasonably low tuition, financial aid, and scholarships should make this possible.

BTW, as a I think Zowie notes, that was how things used to be before states like mine kept cutting their higher education budgets. And turning over student loans to private banking pirates err partners.

(Out of state has always been a different matter ... and not that I'm saying out of staters should be chased out with a stick, of course. Or foreign students.)

There you go, there's my position, and I'm sticking to it, even if it doesn't contain that dreaded word "free".

We don't even have to look at other countries for this model. It used to be the one we used right here. (Why do I feel like Michael Moore in "where to invade next"?)

BTW, have I mentioned universities should also pay all their faculty better, at all levels, including the adjuncts. I guess I should mention that. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:04 pm 
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LBJ would be in awe.

Billionaires convincing working people they CANT have something because the billionaires simply dont want to pay taxes on the money they stole.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:24 pm 
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Another freaked out confederate freaks out about a nonexistant, theoretical policy:

i DONT CARE ABOUT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE PAY FOR FREE COLLEGE. I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Meanwhile, white conservative predators can find plenty of $$$ for your current, concentration camp, ethnic cleansing policies. Right?

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Anyone who asks any questions about how we pay for it is a racist.


Uh-huh.

Anyway...Tornillo Tent City Will Expand To Hold Even More Migrant Kids - Texas Monthly

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The facility near El Paso will more than double its capacity for unaccompanied minors, expanding to 3,800 beds.

temporary child detention facility, which was set up in the West Texas desert during the family separation crisis in June, will expand from 1,200 to 3,800 beds and stay open at least through the end of the year, even though the controversial practice of taking children from their parents at the border has ended, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced Tuesday.

“The need for the continuation of the operation at Tornillo is based on the number of unaccompanied alien children in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement at HHS’s Administration for Children and Families, who crossed the border alone without their parent or legal guardian. ‘Family separations’ resulting from the zero tolerance policy ended on June 20, 2018, and are not driving this need,” HHS spokesman Kenneth Wolfe said.

Critics of the Trump administration’s immigration efforts say the continuing need for the tent shelter in Tornillo, south of El Paso, is driven by policies that make it harder to place unaccompanied children with sponsors in the United States. “If there is no longer an intent to have family separation children coming to HHS, it’s just not clear why they would be expecting such a continuing rise in the number of children in care,” said Mark Greenberg, who headed HHS’s Administration for Children and Families for three years during the Obama administration. He said a variety of Trump administration policies have been driving up the number of children remaining in government custody from about 3,000 in 2016 to more than 12,000 today.

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Another freaked out confederate freaks out about a nonexistant, theoretical policy:



Meanwhile, white conservative predators can find plenty of $$$ for your current, concentration camp, ethnic cleansing policies. Right?



Uh-huh.

Tornillo Tent City Will Expand To Hold Even More Migrant Kids - Texas Monthly




The cons here and out there love it when Brown people are harmed, imprisoned, killed. Just now at DU I said 35% of America is GLAD rump killed 3000 in Puerto Rico, and one of my liberal friends who always channeled Will and would always accuse me of hyperbole, came on and said he had been wrong all along about them and I was right. NOT hyperbole.

Now some of your cons dont actively seek death for the Brown and the Gay and the Muslim and the Latino but they will excuse their harm, death, imprisonment with the LEAST amount of information

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The cons here and out there love it when Brown people are harmed, imprisoned, killed. Just now at DU I said 35% of America is GLAD rump killed 3000 in Puerto Rico, and one of my liberal friends who always channeled Will and would always accuse me of hyperbole, came on and said he had been wrong all along about them and I was right. NOT hyperbole.

Now some of your cons dont actively seek death for the Brown and the Gay and the Muslim and the Latino but they will excuse their harm, death, imprisonment with the LEAST amount of information


It's not hyperbole.

Conservative white culture is based on eliminationim, and so are their laws, public policies, and social norms. Eliminationism is how they govern and how they live their lives, starting with their own miserable families.

Rhetorical question: when haven't they been.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:39 pm 
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i DONT CARE ABOUT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE PAY FOR FREE COLLEGE. I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anyone who asks any questions about how we pay for it is a racist.


Temper, temper. (Z makes time-out signal)

We don't pay for it, because it doesn't exist. Nor will it. Ever. It's one of those word meme things that politicians throw around. It will never be free, just like freeways are really taxways.

Can't afford it?

We can afford to put kids in concentration camps. We just take the money from FEMA and several other agencies with hurricane season approaching. (Now it's here, and the bills are coming any day now. Meanwhile, how many unnecessary deaths will we accept as the price of American Liberty this time?)

We can afford to run the national debt over a trillion $ to subsidize billionaires, who last time I looked, didn't need any more money.

We can afford endless wars in the Middle east that make the problem worse.

We can afford drug companies that run prices up 4000%.

We can afford tens of thousands of 24/7 workers trying to maintain a broken electric power grid, when it would be way cheaper to upgrade it.

We can afford to turn our public schools over to for-profit companies.

We can afford institutional racism.

But we can't afford to subsidize $15/unit tuitions at community colleges, or more Pell grants, or .01% less interest on student loans, or even to pay adjunct professors what they're worth?

Where I went to school, we called that decadence. Maybe that's why conservatives fear free college, which doesn't exist. They fear people who can think analytically and find the real problems caused by decades of rule by...... wait for it..... drum roll..... conservatives.

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True to form, glenfs takes grave offense to white conservative public policy being called "national socialism".

He's not offended, though, by his tax money going to fund actual national socialist policies, carried out against Latino children sitting in concentration camps.

We can definitely afford to put other people's children in so-called tent cities :problem:

But FREE COLLIDGE IS NOT FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeee eeeeee ......

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i DONT CARE ABOUT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE PAY FOR FREE COLLEGE. I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anyone who asks any questions about how we pay for it is a racist.


How do we pay for it? And for the universal medicare? Tax dollars. There now, question asked and answered without anybody being called a racist.

Racist.

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How do we pay for it? And for the universal medicare? Tax dollars. There now, question asked and answered without anybody being called a racist.

Racist.


The brainwashing is so deep glen could be in the ER with no health insurance receiving a death penalty diagnosis that with insurance he could live and he will still defend the indefensible.

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The brainwashing is so deep glen could be in the ER with no health insurance receiving a death penalty diagnosis that with insurance he could live and he will still defend the indefensible.


glen is the easiest of easy marks I've ever seen.

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glen is the easiest of easy marks I've ever seen.


Conservative whites don't have to be that way.

They choose to be that way.

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Conservative whites don't have to be that way.

They choose to be that way.


The cons I know insist on white supremacy but are clever how they do it and that is the primary reason they are what they are, that and taxes.

Too dumb to know that when taxes are lowered on the rich it hurts them, one in particular thinks he is rich LOL but recently admitted to me rump is a disaster for him

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BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MUNNNNNNNNNNY FÜR FREEEEEEEE COLLLLLLLLEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGE!!!!!!!! :problem:

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The Department of Homeland Security transferred $169 million from other agencies to Immigration and Customs Enforcement for the detention and removal of migrants this year, according to a document sent to Congress by DHS.

Many of the transfers came from key national security programs, including $1.8 million from the Domestic Nuclear Detection Office, $9.8 million from FEMA, $29 million from the U.S. Coast Guard and more than $34 million from several TSA programs. DHS also transferred $33 million from other ICE programs to pay for detention and removal, making the total amount of money transferred $202 million.

The FEMA and Coast Guard transfers were first reported by "The Rachel Maddow Show." On Tuesday night, Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., announced on the show that nearly $10 million was moved from FEMA's budget to ICE. The budget document Merkley cited, which was later released and publicized by the DHS Watch program at America's Voice, an advocacy group based in Washington, showed a breakdown of how DHS moved money between different programs and agencies.


Conservatives are grifters.

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[M]oney was taken from the response and recovery, preparedness and protection and mission support operations budgets, which are used to prepare for emergencies like Florence. Those FEMA budgets are for "training for all hazards, preparing our warehouses, making sure we have things ready to go so that we can pre-deploy like you see FEMA doing now," Moira Whelan, FEMA's former chief of staff for the office of Gulf Coast rebuilding, told Maddow on Wednesday. "Taking money away from that operation doesn't just harm [FEMA's hurricane response], it harms us with any disaster we face."

DHS did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the other transferred funds.


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The cons I know insist on white supremacy but are clever how they do it and that is the primary reason they are what they are, that and taxes.

Too dumb to know that when taxes are lowered on the rich it hurts them, one in particular thinks he is rich LOL but recently admitted to me rump is a disaster for him


They don't have any problem with their taxes going towards suppressing minorities.

Even the ones from their own miserable communities.

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The co's doing these concentration camps are of course kicking back bribes to rump.

We could find proof and you know what would happen? nothing

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How do we pay for it? And for the universal medicare? Tax dollars. There now, question asked and answered without anybody being called a racist.

Racist.



Universal Medicare is an easy answer because we collectively as a society are already paying enough in to more than pay for universal healthcare. Which is why I support it.

That does not even begin to address the question of how we pay for so called free college.

As for your calling me a racist if I am not mistaken the Jewish Day of atonement is very close. If it hasn't already passed you can atone here in public or simply send me a pm to avoid embarrassment.

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As for your calling me a racist if I am not mistaken the Jewish Day of atonement is very close. If it hasn't already passed you can atone here in public or simply send me a pm to avoid embarrassment.


Yom Kippur is, in the American calendar, next Wednesday. :D

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The brainwashing is so deep glen could be in the ER with no health insurance receiving a death penalty diagnosis that with insurance he could live and he will still defend the indefensible.



If you had any idea what you are talking about you would know I ve been in favor of single payer for well over a decade.

But this thread is about free college. I notice you like all the others here have not been able to say how we pay for it.

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Supporting the GOP treason and killing but then being against them for your OWN pocketbook, like being FOR All the harm they do but you want free healthcare?

fucking hypocrite

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