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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:12 am 
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I know Florence was posted in the Earth thread, but it probably deserves its own. Looks like it's headed for the Carolinas as a Category 4.

Watch out. Accuweather track as of this morning. Thursday impact likely.

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More stuff going on in the Atlantic, but that's the nearest and on its way. Looks like we're hitting the peak of the season.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:58 pm 
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Our local weatherman in San Diego explained the danger of this hurricane. The first danger is from the high storm surge on the coastal area. Charleston, SC, is below sea level so they can expect flooding. The second danger is the ground is already saturated due to recent storms so when the heavy rains from Florence hit it will compound the problem and couple that with the high winds you'll see a lot of trees getting blown down.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:00 pm 
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Everything about this one says "worst case scenario." The models keep converging on worse predictions than the ones the day before. Cat 4 weakens on landfall and then stalls so it keeps raining, then floods a good part of the already saturated NE US.

Wherever the eye wall comes in is going to be GONE. Usually hurricanes damage and flood beach properties, but one this size removes them.

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Why should the East Coast have all the fun? El Nino is back, way early. BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45471409

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For the first time, the WMO has coupled the El Niño update with a global seasonal climate outlook for the September-November period.

The forecast says that above normal surface temperatures are forecast in nearly all of the Asia-Pacific region, Europe, North America, Africa and much of coastal South America.

While El Niño events normally occur every five to seven years, the recurrence of the event so close to the previous one, suggests that climate change may be having an impact.

"Climate change is influencing the traditional dynamics of El Niño and La Niña events as well as their impacts," said Petteri Taalas.


Effect is never predictable, but seldom good. Tell you one thing. L.A. El Nino Octobers are the best reason to be in New York instead. It gets muggy and nasty. Kind of like New York summers.

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And watch the very dramatic difference in the Emergency Response Florence,as opposed to the Hurricane that hit Puerto Rico. More White People means better response.

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Every time. That's been an established fact since the Katrina debacle, and that one wasn't on some remote Caribbean island. Republican presidents seem to have this weird racial thing when it comes to disaster relief, even though they keep saying they don't do anything like that.

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And watch the very dramatic difference in the Emergency Response Florence,as opposed to the Hurricane that hit Puerto Rico. More White People means better response.

I don't think the Trump administration is even thinking about emergency response mainly because when it comes to the average American citizen they don't plan ahead. They'll definitely plan ahead when it comes to tax cuts for the 1% but for the remaining 99%, you're on your own.

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Puerto Rico opened a lot of eyes, and more people have real plans than they did this time last year. Everyone's less inclined to think that cell phones are enough to coordinate a response. (They're not.) This will be the first real world test for some new emergency radio systems. FEMA has added barges that serve as supply centers and helipads. Coast Guard is together, but then they always were.

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Be careful, glenfs

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Be careful, glenfs

glen lives far, far inland so coastal flooding won't affect him. What he's got to be watchful of are the streams, creeks, and rivers that could flood as well as trees in saturated ground being knocked over by high winds.

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glen lives far, far inland so coastal flooding won't affect him. What he's got to be watchful of are the streams, creeks, and rivers that could flood as well as trees in saturated ground being knocked over by high winds.


I talked to my wife tonight and she had to go to Rock Hill to find gasoline, all the York stations were out. I am at a truck stop in Ruther Glen Virginia 70 mile south of DC. The stores are so out of water people are coming to the truck stop to buy some.

Heading to Fredrick Maryland for 730 am, have already told my travel agent next load has to go east. But, guess what? the load brokers are screwing everyone on freight rates to loads out of this area. Offering $1.25 a mile on average. After fuel, overhead and the companies cut on a 500 mile run you would clear about $135. Or just about what the tolls will be from here to the Ohio line.

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I talked to my wife tonight and she had to go to Rock Hill to find gasoline, all the York stations were out. I am at a truck stop in Ruther Glen Virginia 70 mile south of DC. The stores are so out of water people are coming to the truck stop to buy some.

Heading to Fredrick Maryland for 730 am, have already told my travel agent next load has to go east. But, guess what? the load brokers are screwing everyone on freight rates to loads out of this area. Offering $1.25 a mile on average. After fuel, overhead and the companies cut on a 500 mile run you would clear about $135. Or just about what the tolls will be from here to the Ohio line.

You want to make some money? Tell them you'll take a load of bottled water to Havelock, NC.


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oceans temp off that coast is running about 88degrees.

theyre not going to do shit for this damage either. cost too much.
theyd have to then admit to the flooding happening every rain nearly every tide at Norfolk naval base.
they wont do that.

we dont have a country that can deal with its own damage, well, or at all.

no one will INS housing on that coast. things wont be rebuilt. NOLA and Gulf Coast are STILL NOT
cleaned up or rebuilt. i met some people who still own their land along the gulf coast and they
said no one pays any attention to the ongoing damage from NOLA eastward.

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fuk'em.

https://www.rawstory.com/
Trump defunded $10 million from FEMA ‘response and recovery’ to spend on ICE detentions — just before hurricane season----

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) released a set of documents proving that President Donald Trump has slashed funding to FEMA so that he can do more deportations under the US Customs and Border Protection.

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fuk'em.

https://www.rawstory.com/
Trump defunded $10 million from FEMA ‘response and recovery’ to spend on ICE detentions — just before hurricane season----

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) released a set of documents proving that President Donald Trump has slashed funding to FEMA so that he can do more deportations under the US Customs and Border Protection.

You know what? I don’t give a damn any more. I care about the animals that will be hurt by this storm but humans in this country are showing themselves more and more to be complete idiots.

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I hope FEMA's response isn't an "unsung success" like Trump says of FEMA's response in Puerto Rico.

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Forecasts grow ever grimmer. The worst case scenario on this thing is now a Harvey but with more wind and surge.

Indeed, large parts of NO were left to rot. They solved the "problem" of the Lower Ninth Ward (African American, of course) by doing as little as possible. A lot of it looks like the Mayan sites. Elsewhere, the housing projects, which REALLY sucked from neglect, were "solved" the same way. They just didn't rebuild them. End of problem. More space for tourist hotels and casinos.

"Interesting" how these disasters always make places whiter.

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You know what? I don’t give a damn any more. I care about the animals that will be hurt by this storm but humans in this country are showing themselves more and more to be complete idiots.


I care about all of them.

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I care about all of them.


I don't do this often, not my inclination, but I will now.

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I don't do this often, not my inclination, but I will now.

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She means it, too.

I dont care about them but then I hold grudges.

for instance, NEVER trust a republican in business. I literally just an hour ago got another reminder of that, cost me about half a million, this one..

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There is nobody in this country I dislike enough to WANT them to suffer loss of life, injury, or property from a hurricane.

Full stop.

However much I may disagree with them politically, ideologically, or philosophically.

So no, not even the remaining vocal Trump supporters. Do I want them to change their minds on climate change? Of course. However, I don't view them suffering hurricane destruction as the way they should be persuaded, or that they "deserve" it because of what they support politically.

I understand why people may be angry or frustrated with them. Not why some wish them to suffer, or don't care what happens to them.

At the end of the day, human beings are human beings. I can be upset with what they support, but it doesn't mean I want them to suffer.

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I don't wish hurricanes on anybody.

True believers won't change any ideas regarding climate change. The hurricane will be called an act of God. Some preacher somewhere will blame it on LGBTQs, and the Nooz will run with it. Business as usual.

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There is nobody in this country I dislike enough to WANT them to suffer loss of life, injury, or property from a hurricane.

Full stop.

However much I may disagree with them politically, ideologically, or philosophically.

So no, not even the remaining vocal Trump supporters. Do I want them to change their minds on climate change? Of course. However, I don't view them suffering hurricane destruction as the way they should be persuaded, or that they "deserve" it because of what they support politically.

I understand why people may be angry or frustrated with them. Not why some wish them to suffer, or don't care what happens to them.

At the end of the day, human beings are human beings. I can be upset with what they support, but it doesn't mean I want them to suffer.



Yeah, I am on record that deniers need to be the first harmed, anything else is not justice and is bullshit. Some might survive, learn and change. Which in the end might save the human race. But it is NOT about wanting harm to come, HARM IS COMING to anyone in the way BECAUSE we refused to heed the warnings.

But you could also say I am just as guilty because we have 2 cars and only one is a hybrid.

Because I am a liberal I would do what I could to help even the most vile rightwing piece of shit, in the heat of the moment.


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I just saw what Zowie said, saying I dont care doesnt mean I wish anything, I dont have to wish anything BECAUSE OF DENIERS and other stuff the harm will happen whether I like it or not

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my "i dont care" comment is one of anger, when in reality liberals like myself do care and do act out their care even when it is VILE and filthy cons on the receiving end

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There is nobody in this country I dislike enough to WANT them to suffer loss of life, injury, or property from a hurricane.

Full stop.

However much I may disagree with them politically, ideologically, or philosophically.

So no, not even the remaining vocal Trump supporters. Do I want them to change their minds on climate change? Of course. However, I don't view them suffering hurricane destruction as the way they should be persuaded, or that they "deserve" it because of what they support politically.

I understand why people may be angry or frustrated with them. Not why some wish them to suffer, or don't care what happens to them.

At the end of the day, human beings are human beings. I can be upset with what they support, but it doesn't mean I want them to suffer.


cant be though that one small group of people is responsible for the entirety of the election of trump and the rest have no part in it at all.

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Forget the election of 2016. At this moment in 2018, some rough 30% of the population still supports him and goes to his rallies.

OK. I got the number. It's 37%. It's hit a low, but there it is.

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Look, at this point, it's not a question of voting for him because you wanted to send a message, hated the other (gal), make a protest vote, or whatever.

If you are still supporting him NOW, in Sept. 2018, you MUST at this point know what he has done, hasn't or failed to do, and what he's accused of. And perhaps you think he's only shit gold bricks that never stink, has never done anything wrong, and anything alleged about any wrongdoing is automatically false. You can think that, but like Ike says, it's not like you can ignore the information that's out there. You CAN choose to disregard it. Or to not care. But it's got to be one or the other.

Dunno what's going on in the heads of the infamous 37 percent, but they are not a "small elite," though I will concur they are <50.

BTW, bear in mind there will always be hurricanes, even without global warming/climate change. We liberals need to be careful on our message or we're just aiding the deniers. All we can prove (and the kernel and I had several go arounds on this) is hurricanes will probably gain intensity because of climate change. That means more damage upon landfall. But they will always happen, whether it is happening or not.

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