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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:08 pm 
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and his deplorables.

They do want to kill journalists, most republicans do, they must otherwise they would not support a pile of shit fascist traitor.

Putin kills them when they tell the truth, and now Saudi Arabia does and soon we will also I suppose.

All this goes on while entire red states successfully prevent MILLIONS from voting...amazing.

Republicans HATE democracy. I HATE republicans.


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I give up, the big news of the day is Hillary was FORCED to respond about why Bill Clinton should have stepped down when he had consensual sex with someone, THAT is the story today

Putin might as well just take over now

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Nasty rumble a few blocks from here at the Republican Club. Hasn't been a gangfight this bad up here in many years. And it was political. Everyone's talking.

MAGAs practically killed three antifas. NYPD arrested bystanders who were there to protest. Perps got on the subway flashing white power signals, and went home.

This goes to Libertas and his frequent rants about how the Republican Party is now a criminal organization. Apparently, there's something to that.

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This goes to Libertas and his frequent rants about how the Republican Party is now a criminal organization. Apparently, there's something to that.


As Charles Pierce stated, the Trump family is a multigenerational criminal enterprise. And the Republican Party has obviously joined up. So yes...there's much to that.

And we are supposed to be all excited that Max Boot has finally decided he can't abide by it anymore. Well done Max and go fuck yourself.

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Nasty rumble a few blocks from here at the Republican Club. Hasn't been a gangfight this bad up here in many years. And it was political. Everyone's talking.

MAGAs practically killed three antifas. NYPD arrested bystanders who were there to protest. Perps got on the subway flashing white power signals, and went home.

This goes to Libertas and his frequent rants about how the Republican Party is now a criminal organization. Apparently, there's something to that.

Randi Rhodes is playing some video of a beating, I thought you lived in LA, where was the beating, Manhattan, right?

Jared Kushner gave the Saudi's a list of disloyal Saudi's

Now proven beyond question the trump family are tax cheats, major felons and complete frauds. That rump has never had a successful day in business in his life. And yet his approval rate is the same.

We cant survive this amount of complete denial of reality.

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I'm currently in Manhattan. Actually it's more than "a few blocks" but I can see it from here. This part of New York doesn't have rumbles, or at least didn't until drumpf was installed by a Russian psyop and criminalized the Republican Party. It's not thrilled with the idea of thugs coming on the subway and acting like fascists in someone else's neighborhood.

The Republican Club had a thug come and speak. He waved a sword around and re-enacted the killing of a socialist in Japan. Afterwards some antifas got loud and one of them knocked a MAGA hat off, and the other thugs who'd come to see the head thug practically killed three people.

NYPD is catching flak. It has been said that its brass might actually sympathize with the fascist goons. This remains to be seen, but let's just say NYC is all abuzz at present. I love when I come here and the shit hits the fan. It's not the first time. This is a liberal union town, New Yorkers hate BS, and there's gonna be hell to pay on this one. Unlike L.A., one feels as if someone actually has their six o'clock.

It's probably worth starting a new thread on this debacle. It definitely joins Charlottesville as a major low point in the drumpf nightmare.

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You've given me enough details to find the story, Zowie. So here it is. It is of course at the NYT but that could be paywalled for some, so I'll go to CBS New York.

I have to confess I hadn't seen it on national cable newz until now.

3 Arrested After Violence Erupts Outside NYC Republican Club Event
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/10/13 ... ican-club/

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – Three people were arrested in New York City following violent clashes after a speech by the founder of a far-right group, and police say they are reviewing video and may make additional arrests.

According to authorities, Finbarr Slonim, Kai Russo, and Caleb Perkins were taken into custody after police arrived at the Metropolitan Republican Club around 8 p.m. on Friday.

The violence erupted following a speech by Gavin McInnes, the founder of the male-only far-right group the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as “western chauvinists.”

Videos posted on YouTube show clashes between the Proud Boys and groups that were protesting McInnes’ speech.

New York City Public Advocate Tish James called for additional arrests in connection to the melee, and encouraged Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance to pursue hate crime charges.

“I am disturbed and disgusted by the videos I’ve seen of members of the neo-fascist, white supremacist Proud Boys group in hate-fueled mob violence in the streets of New York City,” James said in a statement posted to Twitter. “New York will not become the next Charlottesville, and we refuse to let the actions of a hateful few define out City.”

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There's more in this story about another "violent act" of "Antifa" spraying some graffiti on the building. Snipped for brevity necessity - of course. I see some of the usual false equivalence - they sprayed anarchist graffiti, so of course that's as much of a violent act as being beaten up by three thugs ... :roll:

BTW, McInnes was one of the founders of the Vice network.

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I deliberately didn't identify the Proud Boys in order to avoid the wrong kind of attention when the thugs do searches for themselves. Yes the speaker with the sword was an OG in same, and the antifas were there for a reason. If you want to make parallels with the fictional Jets and the Sharks go right ahead. It's the same line of thinking - this country's not big enough for both of us.

I have no idea what this guy, and his sword, were doing at a posh rich-fuck Upper East Side Republican club. I can only conclude that the Republican Party, by opening itself to underground hate groups, is a criminal enterprise that encourages lawbreaking activity.

Someone said there'd been trouble there before. That's where I get my suspicion that Republicans really do tolerate activities that render the whole party a criminal organization. They can't have it both ways. They're the ones who said that if you harbor terrorists, you're a terrorist. That line of reasoning would seem to indicate that if you harbor goons, you're a goon.

NYPD also has some 'splaining to do. They let the attack go down, while doing their usual drill of rounding up anyone who looks like they tried to use their right to redress of grievances.

The Nooz didn't jump all over it because nobody died. Also, I suspect that "no real people were affected." The Nooz is pretty transparent everywhere.

Developing.

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This latest incarnation of The Metropolitan Club is just more proof of where American conservative Republicans are, at this point in time, and where they are headed.

We have several people running for local offices here in Illinois who come straight out of this mindset. The most vile is 2003 Miss America Erika Harold who is running for IL Attorney General (Lisa Madigan is retiring after 15 stellar years in the job). Harold is most famous for her comments on adoption while in the Miss Illinois pageant in 2002. At least four witnesses reported that when she was asked about placing a child in foster care and the choice was loving gay parents or a heterosexual couple who were known child abusers, those four sources reported hearing Harold choose the abusers. Harold has never denied making the comment. At one point she stated that her views on gay adoption were "transitioning", and now, in the current campaign, she has stated that she supports gay adoption and gay foster parenting. How nice...nobody who ever held Erika Harold's allegedly former beliefs is ever going to get a vote from me.

This is where this country is now, and where it is headed.

And we have Rep. Senator Ben Sasse's new book "Them: Why We Hate Each Other And How We Heal." I just heard Ben Sasse interviewed on NPR yesterday. Hmmm.....

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Sasse sees what’s gone wrong and suggests how we might make it better. The remedy is at home: in our neighborhoods, our communities, and our houses of worship. Most of our modern encumbrances don’t require arguments—or Facebook posts or tweets—but associating, accepting, and knowing “the other”—knowing them. This isn't the kind of book that’s likely to light up cable news and set the talking heads aflutter. But his book is a serious one, and we hope its author will consider leading, not just our national conversation at a dangerous moment, but the country itself. - The Weekly Standard 10/16/18


Yeh...sure Ben. How nice...."associating, accepting, and knowing the other." This shit is on your people Ben. This is on the 80% of Republican voters who support the multigenerational criminal enterprise that is the Trump administration and who support the co-conspiratorial criminality of your own goddamn party, Ben. This is about the half of the country that applauds our democratized gun carnage. This is about the half of the country that thinks it's fine to have their noses up American women's reproductive organs. This is about the half of the country who have had all the advantages of their christianity and their whiteness since the founding and still want to point their gnarly stink finger of blame for their shitty lives at brown people, black people, red people, yellow people, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and anybody else who isn't a white christian. Fuck them and the horses they rode in on.

It's a culture war, Ben. And you're on the wrong side. Your platitudes about healing aren't going anywhere with your own people...and they're not going anywhere with me.

And guess who voted to confirm Brett Kavanaugh for SCOTUS justice...Ben Sasse.

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It's a little hard to know and associate with "the other" when you're busy rounding them up into detention centers, kicking them out of the country, and constantly calling the cops on them.

Said this about Sasse a ways back, and I still think it: man is big on noble sounding platitudes, but doesn't have much action to back them up.

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I have no idea what this guy, and his sword, were doing at a posh rich-fuck Upper East Side Republican club.


Why he was invited - interesting question. Why he was toting the sword - well it was a katana, and I found the answer.

Vox is one of my favorite go-tos ... good signal to less noise ratio. :D

First off, he is a lying sack of shit when he says his group disavows violence. No, it is the exact fucking opposite. They are practically a real life Fight Club.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/15/17978358 ... p-violence

On Friday night on the streets of Manhattan, members of a far-right organization kicked and punched counterprotesters they believed to be members of Antifa — and weren’t arrested.

The brawl between the “Proud Boys” and counterprotesters started outside the Metropolitical Republican Club, where the group’s founder, Gavin McInnes, was reenacting the assassination of Inejiro Asanuma, the leader of the Japanese Socialist Party, in 1960.

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The group has a magazine where members who win fights are celebrated with the slogan, “They fucked around. They found out.” And in the age of concerns about “civility” and worries about political violence surrounding the upcoming midterms, the Proud Boys — and McInnes, who believes violence is “a really effective way to solve problems” — are more interested in punching “faggots.”

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His shift to the far right also included espousing anti-Muslim sentiments (“the Muslim world is filled with shoeless, toothless, inbred, hill-dwelling, rifle-toting, sodomy-prone men”) and an embrace of anti-Semitism and anti-Israel sentiments, including a video he made for the far-right Canadian outlet Rebel Media initially called “10 Things I Hate about Jews” (or as he would later tweet, “10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT THE GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING JEWS!”). He’s also argued that historically, perhaps Jews “were ostracized for a good reason.”

These videos, and some of his others, earned him a host of new fans, including David Duke. And though McInnes has attempted to push aside accusations of racism (which he argues doesn’t exist), he has written for both VDare and American Renaissance, the latter the publication of the “race-realist, white advocacy organization” New Century Foundation.

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The Proud Boys were officially launched in September 2016, on the website of Taki’s Magazine, a far-right publication for which white nationalist Richard Spencer once served as executive editor.

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But it’s the fourth and newest level that is getting the most attention in the wake of Friday’s events: get into a physical altercation for the “cause.” “You get beat up, kick the crap out of an antifa,” McInnes explained in 2017. And he added, “People say if someone’s fighting, go get a teacher. No, if someone’s f---ing up your sister, put them in the hospital.”

It’s that violence that the Proud Boys have become best known for, with the group even boasting of a “tactical defensive arm” known as the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights (or “FOAK”) reportedly with McInnes’s backing. McInnes made a video praising the use of violence this June, saying, “What’s the matter with fighting? Fighting solves everything. The war on fighting is the same as the war on masculinity.”

In parades and rallies across the country, from Berkeley, California, to New York City, members of the Proud Boys have fought with counterprotesters, Antifa, and anyone who gets in their way. Jared Holt, of Right Wing Watch, told me that the group “acts as a violent pack of enforcers for the far-right.”

And at events for conservative commentator Ann Coulter and right-leaning speaker Milo Yiannopoulos, members of the Proud Boys have even attempted to act as “security,” but those efforts have descended into chaotic violence (although they spun it as a victory):

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The battles between the Proud Boys and far-left groups, including Antifa, have made McInnes a target of left-leaning groups. And when the Metropolitical Republican Club announced that he would be speaking there on October 12, anarchists responded by defacing the building, putting glue in the locks, and leaving a note stating that the group should not have invited “a hipster-fascist clown to dance for them.”

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But while the event was advertised as a speech by the “Godfather of the Hipster movement’ who has “stood up for Western Values,” the event was actually a reenactment of an assassination. As the website Bedford and Bowery described:

On stage he portrayed a different ultranationalist. Wearing glasses with caricatured Asian eyes drawn on the front, McInnes played Otoya Yamaguchi, a young far-right extremist who assassinated the leader of the Japanese Socialist Party on live television exactly 58 years ago on October 12, 1960. Images of the historical event have recently become a popular meme among the right.

An Asian Proud Boy played the character of the murdered Japanese socialist leader Inejiro Asanuma, and “translated” for McInnes in caricatured Japanese (and at one point mock Chinese).
McInnes even had a fake katana (a type of Japanese sword), which he was filmed swinging at counterprotesters outside the venue on Fox News (though the chyron implied that he was part of Antifa).


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Wow. You invite a group whose rules practically require members to beat up opponents, know they are essentially going to celebrate and dramatically re-enact an assassination of a foreign leader, and wonder why violence results. :roll:

But it's the left that's the violent angry Mob, tho. :roll:

Antifa did not attack any Proud Boy members. Yes, they may have committed what some would call "vandalism" against the club for hosting the event; some property damage. Again, it's ridiculous to put false equivalence between these two things. (That does not mean I would have participated in what Antifa did, of course. I don't happen to think their strategy was a good one.)

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BTW, I think it's very appropriate this story is in this thread.

The OP is about killing journalists and the New York event essentially was a celebration/re-enactment of a political assassination in Japan. Hosted by the Republicans of NYC.

Welcome to the Rump Era. Where all this shit is scarily starting to seem normal.

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BTW, I think it's very appropriate this story is in this thread.

The OP is about killing journalists and the New York event essentially was a celebration/re-enactment of a political assassination in Japan. Hosted by the Republicans of NYC.

Welcome to the Rump Era. Where all this shit is scarily starting to seem normal.

The genie is out of the bottle. All the conservative bullshit about being post-racial because a black guy got elected has been exposed as, well, bullshit.

No more. Conservatism is a mental illness. Those who are conservative today lack the mental and emotional capacity to deal with the changes in demographics. The election of the open racist underscores this. “Their country” never existed. But as Lyndon Johnson said “If you can convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Wealthy white conservatives have used this forever to keep anyone poor from moving up.

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The genie is out of the bottle. All the conservative bullshit about being post-racial because a black guy got elected has been exposed as, well, bullshit.

No more. Conservatism is a mental illness. Those who are conservative today lack the mental and emotional capacity to deal with the changes in demographics. The election of the open racist underscores this. “Their country” never existed. But as Lyndon Johnson said “If you can convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Wealthy white conservatives have used this forever to keep anyone poor from moving up.


And this asshole Ben Sasse presumes to lecture anybody in this country on how to repair the great divide in the culture, with his fucking book.

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And this asshole Ben Sasse presumes to lecture anybody in this country on how to repair the great divide in the culture, with his fucking book.

Speaking of presumption...I am sitting in a hotel in Pittsburgh (Steelers suck! Sorry, had to.) and they have in-room movies. Since I am a big Marvel fan I always look should they have one to watch. Lo and behold, they had something call Death Of A Nation with a picture half Lincoln and Half Mr. Tangerine Man. A D’Souza production. I had to go wash my eyeballs just from seeing the ad. It got a “0” on Rotten Tomatoes. The lies just flow from people like that.

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Speaking of presumption...I am sitting in a hotel in Pittsburgh (Steelers suck! Sorry, had to.) and they have in-room movies. Since I am a big Marvel fan I always look should they have one to watch. Lo and behold, they had something call Death Of A Nation with a picture half Lincoln and Half Mr. Tangerine Man. A D’Souza production. I had to go wash my eyeballs just from seeing the ad. It got a “0” on Rotten Tomatoes. The lies just flow from people like that.


If the people weren't so fucking moronic and had an ounce of integrity, the lies wouldnt work so well.

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If the people weren't so fucking moronic and had an ounce of integrity, the lies wouldnt work so well.

And if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. Critical thought is too difficult.

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Speaking of critical...if Piers Morgan ever happened to get within an arm's length of me, I would beat him like a rug.

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It would be nice if the whole Republican club debacle became the Archduke Ferdinand incident that lighted the fire that blew up the culture war. I really want to have this one out. The goons will be very surprised when they get the usual fate of all goons everywhere.

I have no illusions, though. It's too soon.

I am completely aware of why he had the sword. I left a bunch of stuff out because I was afraid it would come up in a Google search and this board would become a target. Yes, the formerly stiff-ass Metro Republicans consciously invited a known thug who started essentially a gang. They knew his ganstas would show up. They knew there'd be antifa around for them to gang bang. They loved it when he re-enacted the Japanese assassination. Yes I knew it was a fake Japanese sword. (The real ones are VERY expensive. The Met has a few. They are very nice weapons indeed.) The whole thing was a call to violence.

This is today's Republican Party. It is a criminal organization. Anyone who defends it is sticking up for thugs. It has nothing left to offer except blood in the streets, and it's just full of wannabes who think that's cool... until it's their blood.

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Sorry Zowie. I didn't realize you were keeping details obscure so they wouldn't find this board.

Of course, the existence of a-holes like this is one reason I maintain my, however thinly veiled, anonymity.

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Was the take over in Oregon a dry run?

Is the effort world wide, or just the USA and Europe?

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Sorry Zowie. I didn't realize you were keeping details obscure so they wouldn't find this board.

Of course, the existence of a-holes like this is one reason I maintain my, however thinly veiled, anonymity.


Once a moderator on Air America Place, always a moderator on Air America Place, I guess. :)

Also, politically I tend to keep radio silence and let the bad guys guess what I know about them.

Doesn't really matter now, because the essence of the story has become whether the Republican mainstream and the Proud Boys are an item.

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Is the effort world wide, or just the USA and Europe?


Well, Mr. Balsonaro is definitely in South America.

But, as I've noted, as with the Perons and Pinochets and others, South America's strain of right populism has been going for a while.

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Right-populism is global. Its revival has many causes, but the releasing cause was the 2008 credit collapse which put many countries on very punitive austerity budgets. A contributing cause after that was the many wars mostly started by US foreign policy, which created the most displaced people since WWII. Accommodating them increased financial problems and gave cultural conservatives legitimacy.

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I would argue you can't discuss the contemporary phenomenon of right populism (we could look at other epochs) without discussing globalization.

Incidentally, globalization is a lot of things besides just free trade or economic globalization, as I've pointed out a few times, though people try and reduce it to that.

I'm not the world's biggest fan of either the WTO or the IMF, but there's more going on than that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... 90101f10d3
“Brazil is now surfing the wave of global conservatism, an anti-globalist movement all across the world,” said Guilherme Casarões, a comparative politics professor at the Getulio Vargas Foundation, a university in Sao Paulo.

Yeah, academics all over the world are seeing the same stuff.

BTW, Steve Bannon has been advising and working with Jair Balsonaro. So yes, Bannon doesn't just want to fuck up the U.S. and Europe.

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Trust me, this will be another "but he was just joking" excuse.

At Montana rally, President Trump praises Greg Gianforte for body-slamming reporter
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Donald Trump kicked off a western tour in Montana on Thursday ostensibly to support Matt Rosendale as he attempts to unseat Sen. Jon Tester, but it was his praise for Congressman Greg Gianforte's physical assault on a reporter that stole the show.

Gianforte is running for re-election as the state’s lone seat in the House of Representatives, and made national headlines during a special election for assaulting a reporter in a moment caught on audio tape.

"Any guy that can do a body slam, he is my type!" Trump said to cheers.

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Reporters getting body-slammed to the ground for asking a question. Ha ha, Funny! His kind of guy! :evil:

BTW, Theresa May - UK's Tory PM who seems to be figuring out how to quit the Irish border at the moment - condemned these remarks.

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