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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:48 am 
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Steve King is another professional racist.


Yeah, it's clear he's gone beyond the mere amateur level.

Rep. Steve King Goes Full White Nationalist In Interview With Austrian Site
A shocking interview with a far-right propaganda site offers the clearest look yet at the congressman’s racist ideology.
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Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) visited Austria in August and gave an extensive interview to a far-right publication there in which he spelled out, in clearer and more shocking terms than he ever has before, his white nationalist worldview.

The eight-term congressman, up for re-election next month, talked to Caroline Sommerfeld of the Austrian far-right propaganda site Unzensuriert (which means “uncensored” in English). Sommerfeld is a prominent intellectual in Europe’s neo-fascist identitarian movement, which has deep connections to America’s so-called alt-right.

The interview, published in September, came to HuffPost’s attention this week. In his conversation with Sommerfeld, King discussed his belief in the superiority of European culture over others. He talked fearfully of falling fertility rates in the West and spoke at length about his belief that Europe and America are threatened by Muslim and Latino immigration.

“If we don’t defend Western civilization, then we will become subjugated by the people who are the enemies of faith, the enemies of justice,” King said.

The interview is remarkable, capturing a sitting U.S. congressman completely fluent in modern white nationalist talking points just weeks before an election he is favored to win.

“This interview reveals a whole new level of reality underneath this guy’s politics,” said Roger Griffin, an expert on fascism and modern history at Oxford Brookes University.

King never would have opened up that way with mainstream reporters, since they wouldn’t understand what he was talking about, Griffin said. He added, “But with her, who is obviously steeped in this stuff, he just opens up because he knows he’s going to be understood.”

The congressman’s office did not respond to a request for comment. Unzensuriert also did not respond to questions about details of the interview.

King’s conversation with Sommerfeld largely revolves around the paranoid idea of the Great Replacement — the belief that mass migration, particularly from Muslim-majority countries, is an extinction-level event for white European culture and identity. Or as he put it in the interview, a “slow-motion cultural suicide.”

“The U.S. subtracts from its population a million of our babies in the form of abortion,” King said. “We add to our population approximately 1.8 million of ‘somebody else’s babies’ who are raised in another culture before they get to us.”

Sommerfeld responded, “That’s what we call the Great Replacement.”

Nick Ryan, the director of communications at the British-based anti-racism advocacy group Hope Not Hate, told HuffPost that “terms such as ‘Great Replacement’ are the preserve of conspiracy theorists and extremists.”

It’s a phrase, he said, widely used by anti-Muslim European networks to refer to the supposed Islamification of Europe by migrants and refugees.

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The idea of the Great Replacement is imagined most vividly in The Camp of the Saints, a stunningly racist 1973 novel by Jean Raspail that “reframes everything as the fight to death between races,” said Cécile Alduy, a professor of French at Stanford University and an expert on France’s far right. It describes the takeover of Europe by waves of immigrants that “wash ashore like the plague.”

In the interview, King said that he read the book and that it was “completely logical to me that this could come to pass.” He went on to describe how he believes George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and bogeyman of the far right, might be footing the bill for the Great Replacement.

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Last year Austria’s intelligence services, in an internal report that was leaked to Austrian media, found that the site promoted anti-Semitism and extreme xenophobia. The site also spreads misinformation and conspiracies: Of the 10 best-performing Unzensuriert articles on Facebook, five contained false information or were wholly debunked, according to BuzzFeed Germany.

The site has close ties with the far-right Freedom Party, or FPO, and its former editor-in-chief is now the head of communications for the FPO-controlled Interior Ministry.

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King has long-standing connections to the far right in Europe and was the first elected U.S. official to meet with France’s National Front leader, Marine Le Pen. In the interview with Unzensuriert, he mentioned that he phoned Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders to offer support after Wilders was convicted of hate speech. King’s affinity for the global far right extends to outright extremists — including retweeting British neo-Nazi Mark Collett and this week endorsing Canadian white nationalist Faith Goldy.

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This is today's GOP ... he will almost certainly win re-election.

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The Republican Party brought whatever happens to it on itself. It's too extreme. It can't govern from out there for very long. Maybe 10 years or so. The end might be very traumatic. Wars, and former leaders hanging from trees or shooting themselves in expensive bunkers.

I no longer care.

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The Republican Party brought whatever happens to it on itself. It's too extreme. It can't govern from out there for very long. Maybe 10 years or so. The end might be very traumatic. Wars, and former leaders hanging from trees or shooting themselves in expensive bunkers.

I no longer care.

I am reaching that point as well. Everywhere we see immigrants who have businesses, who are making contributions, paying taxes, joining the military and serving honorably and yet what do we have from the Republican Party? And, yes, Ted from you as well as Glen and Joe. Silence. Submissive covert support. Where is the outrage by the party itself toward these actions? Joe and Glen and Ted talk to their congress critter and then vote for the same sick, racist, (and to borrow from Harry Potter) pure-blood maniacs. Tacit support through voting is the same as overt support. Reform from within is no longer possible. Robert Paxton wrote about it in "The Anatomy of Fascism". By no means were most Germans supporters of the Nazi party but their actions and lack of actions gave tacit approval for what the Nazis did. The Roman Church and the Episcopal Church both have the following words in the confession asking for forgiveness during the liturgy: "by what we have done and by what we have left undone" or a variation such as "by what we have done and what we have failed to do". The Republican Party is beyond help. And it is beyond reformation. It willing started down the path it is sprinting down toward gotterdammerung. Those who vote for its politicians are willingly riding the same vehicle to oblivion.

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I am reaching that point as well. Everywhere we see immigrants who have businesses, who are making contributions, paying taxes, joining the military and serving honorably and yet what do we have from the Republican Party? And, yes, Ted from you as well as Glen and Joe. Silence. Submissive covert support. Where is the outrage by the party itself toward these actions? Joe and Glen and Ted talk to their congress critter and then vote for the same sick, racist, (and to borrow from Harry Potter) pure-blood maniacs. Tacit support through voting is the same as overt support. Reform from within is no longer possible. Robert Paxton wrote about it in "The Anatomy of Fascism". By no means were most Germans supporters of the Nazi party but their actions and lack of actions gave tacit approval for what the Nazis did. The Roman Church and the Episcopal Church both have the following words in the confession asking for forgiveness during the liturgy: "by what we have done and by what we have left undone" or a variation such as "by what we have done and what we have failed to do". The Republican Party is beyond help. And it is beyond reformation. It willing started down the path it is sprinting down toward gotterdammerung. Those who vote for its politicians are willingly riding the same vehicle to oblivion.


They are the Susan Collinses of the RFL.

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Come on ... don't do this shit, and I won't say it. It's really kinda simple.

Iowa U.S. Rep. Steve King endorses white nationalist Canadian politician
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 668512002/

U.S. Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican who has a history of controversial remarks, is praising a Canadian political candidate who is far right and a white nationalist.

King tweeted Tuesday night in support of Faith Goldy, a candidate for Toronto mayor, describing her as an excellent candidate who is "pro Rule of Law, pro Make Canada Safe Again, pro balanced budget, &...BEST of all, Pro Western Civilization and a fighter for our values. @FaithGoldy will not be silenced."

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Kedron Bardwell, who chairs the political science department at Simpson College in Indianola, said Goldy has claimed "Canada is undergoing a 'white genocide.'"

Gordy also "appeared on the Neo-Nazi/white supremacist web site 'Daily Stormer,' and was fired by a Canadian right wing/anti-Muslim site for being too extreme," Bardwell said.


Bardwell also tweeted that Goldy "explicitly recited white supremacist slogan The 14 Words ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for WHITE children") on a 2017 radio show, and she also said she “salutes” white supremacists who showed up in Charlottesville, Virginia, “in hordes.”

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King isn't the only person in American politics who has generated controversy by an association with Goldy. Former New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani, who is currently an attorney for President Donald Trump, posed for pictures in September with Goldy that she posted on social media.

This also isn't King's first brush with controversy involving right-wing foreign politicians. King was criticized last year after he tweeted a suggestion that Muslim children are preventing “our civilization” from being restored. The tweet was intended as a gesture of support to Geert Wilders, a far-right Dutch politician and leader of the Party for Freedom. King's comments were condemned by top Iowa Republican leaders.

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I think the nazis Boehner was referring to included King.

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and the phrase corporate dem is a rightwing talking point



Since when?

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I hate to say this, but these huge caravans of people from S. America coming up are going to rile up republican voters to the polls. Prejudice is the primary motivator for them. They watch FOX. FOX pushes the scary MS13 gang caravan stories and republicans vote.

I predict there will be no blue wave next month. Who cares about your retirement money when brown people are coming up to the states for free housing and health care.

You know, cut off your nose to spite your face. Propaganda works and millennials don't vote.

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Since Lib said it was. I was opposed to Perez because he has no problem taking money from Wall Street, while at the same time saying how important it is to stricter regulations regarding donation from Wall Street. One of many reasons I had for oppossing HRC was her support from Wall Street. She talked about regulating big money corporate donors, but was more than willing to take their money. One cannnot have it both ways.

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Meh, "corporate dem" is definitely an epithet, as is "centrist Dem". Right now we have a neo-Confederate Party that is sharing a bed with violent gang members in suits like the Proud Boys. And there are the Dems.

Those are the choices. It's also not the first time these have been the stark options, especially for minority voters. This year, we get the added bonus of a White House resident and his entire party also sharing a bed with hostile foreign governments like the Russians, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia.

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NBC WSJ poll says repubs are better with the economy

since the exact opposite is true by a gazillion miles, this is why we probably wont survive as an intact country

Not one stat exists supporting this belief, but the KGB and GOP propaganda works.

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Since Lib said it was. I was opposed to Perez because he has no problem taking money from Wall Street, while at the same time saying how important it is to stricter regulations regarding donation from Wall Street. One of many reasons I had for oppossing HRC was her support from Wall Street. She talked about regulating big money corporate donors, but was more than willing to take their money. One cannnot have it both ways.


A corporate dem is a democrat who takes corporate money in exchange for votes on legislation. Why some democratic voters fail to realize this is beyond me.

With that said, I voted for Clinton in the general election simply because she wasn't trump. But if the democratic party is expected to survive, they need to be independent of corporate cash and become as good at propaganda as the republicans. No more pussyfootin' around! And stop the talk of propping up Joe Biden as the next candidate to oppose trump. Seriously? Joe Biden?

If the democrats are serious about winning elections, they need to prop up a candidate with an enthusiasm factor. Barrack Obama had that. Joe Biden is BORING

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NBC WSJ poll says repubs are better with the economy

since the exact opposite is true by a gazillion miles, this is why we probably wont survive as an intact country

Not one stat exists supporting this belief, but the KGB and GOP propaganda works.


Yes, propaganda works. This is why the democrats lose. They fail at it and capitulate too much.

A rural voter in Kentucky sees a caravan coming from S. America and FOX yells MS13, that rural voter goes to the polls and votes to keep the bad guys out. Democrats combat it with we aren't as bad as the republicans.

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Meh, "corporate dem" is definitely an epithet, as is "centrist Dem". Right now we have a neo-Confederate Party that is sharing a bed with violent gang members in suits like the Proud Boys. And there are the Dems.

Those are the choices. It's also not the first time these have been the stark options, especially for minority voters. This year, we get the added bonus of a White House resident and his entire party also sharing a bed with hostile foreign governments like the Russians, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia.


I understand what you mean, but that fact that the democrats don't rub elbows with dictators and kow tow to confederate flag wavers isn't good enough to get people to the polls to vote for them. They need to demonstrate strength without capitulation. Identify with the person struggling to find work and tell them they are going to fight to end corruption and give us our country back. Call republicans out for what they are and offer voters something better besides just platitudes.

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I understand what you mean, but that fact that the democrats don't rub elbows with dictators and kow tow to confederate flag wavers isn't good enough to get people to the polls to vote for them. They need to demonstrate strength without capitulation. Identify with the person struggling to find work and tell them they are going to fight to end corruption and give us our country back. Call republicans out for what they are and offer voters something better besides just platitudes.


Both BHO and HRC were derided for being policy wonks and whatnot, something I happened to disagree with. But I also think there are a lot of reasons to vote for them that are found right in their platform https://democrats.org/about/party-platf ... e=homepage

I do also think that we have to move beyond 2016 or 2016 strategies. I don't think Trump- or Bernie-style populism is going to work for the D's in these midterms. After 2 years, there's enough bad Trump administration policy to highlight and provide an alternative to voters, based on facts.

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Both BHO and HRC were derided for being policy wonks and whatnot, something I happened to disagree with. But I also think there are a lot of reasons to vote for them that are found right in their platform https://democrats.org/about/party-platf ... e=homepage

I do also think that we have to move beyond 2016 or 2016 strategies. I don't think Trump- or Bernie-style populism is going to work for the D's in these midterms. After 2 years, there's enough bad Trump administration policy to highlight and provide an alternative to voters, based on facts.

Add to all this the insane reality of a poll out today NBC WSJ that repubs are seen far better with economy than dems.

That is like saying Ball State football team is better than the New England Patriots.

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A corporate dem is a democrat who takes corporate money in exchange for votes on legislation. Why some democratic voters fail to realize this is beyond me.


Barack Obama took some corporate money.

Elizabeth Warren took some corporate money.

Sherrod Brown takes some corporate money.

How strong do our purity tests have to be? Mine is not that you take $0 from any corporation. Ever. So what if you took some money from Ben & Jerry's. They're the good guys!

I do want you to do something about Citizens United, though.

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Barack Obama took some corporate money.

Elizabeth Warren took some corporate money.

Sherrod Brown takes some corporate money.

How strong do our purity tests have to be? Mine is not that you take $0 from any corporation. Ever. So what if you took some money from Ben & Jerry's. They're the good guys!

I do want you to do something about Citizens United, though.


Purity comes from KGB, it cant be clearer, I just wish those who profess to be on our side would realize that.

But as you can see most of the ones who dug in deep in the past, continue to do so. But I dont want to criticize them, not now.

I like the way you do it, far more reasonable. They can NOT argue with you, as I have noticed so they dont.

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Barack Obama took some corporate money.

Elizabeth Warren took some corporate money.

Sherrod Brown takes some corporate money.

How strong do our purity tests have to be? Mine is not that you take $0 from any corporation. Ever. So what if you took some money from Ben & Jerry's. They're the good guys!

I do want you to do something about Citizens United, though.

I agree with the whole Citizens United, Buckley v Valeo and any other SCOTUS decision that takes power from the people and puts it in the hands of wealth.

That being said I have had it with “purity test” bullshit. It is a pejorative term used in circular firing squads. Basically one one side of the term are those who cry “corporate dems” and on the other side are those who say we must elect anyone with a “D” after their name which leaves us with people like Manchin who vote for conservative SCOTUS nominees.

Enough.

This was created, imo, by so-called third way Democrats like Bill Clinton. Basically, the Democratic Party had no answer to the Republican Party agitprop of the Reagan era. Their answer was to co-opt it. Govern like Republican lite.

No thanks.

Is it so much to ask the the Democratic Party return to FDR? Or is that era gone and all that is left is incrementalism?

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and I now officially give up

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Basically one one side of the term are those who cry “corporate dems” and on the other side are those who say we must elect anyone with a “D” after their name which leaves us with people like Manchin who vote for conservative SCOTUS nominees.


I dunno. My problem is I prefer liberal and progressive Dems to centrist ones, especially in leadership positions. I've said that.

Thing is, if our choice in certain states or districts is between a centrist Dem, and a worse Republican ...

Please note: I'm not saying I don't prefer certain Dems or that everybody with a D by their name should be voted for. Lyndon Larouche ran as a Democrat. No f'n way.

I'm saying note your options. Collectively, or individually.

I'm still pissed at Manchin for his SCOTUS vote, BUT: so are we going to help ourselves by replacing him by a Republican likely to vote for even worse nominees?

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This was created, imo, by so-called third way Democrats like Bill Clinton. Basically, the Democratic Party had no answer to the Republican Party agitprop of the Reagan era. Their answer was to co-opt it. Govern like Republican lite.


Yeah. So: it was tried. We both agree it failed. This is why I want to point out two things:

1) the DLC ceased to exist in 2011.
2) Hillary is not the same being as her husband. Could also be more liberal.

That's it.

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Is it so much to ask the the Democratic Party return to FDR? Or is that era gone and all that is left is incrementalism?


I think there are a lot of FDR Democrats in the current Democratic party, and anybody who claims Bernie is the only one out there is, honestly, not paying attention, or confused.

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Really? Why? I haven’t. I voted for Hillary Clinton. I also voted for Sanders in the Ohio primary.

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I'm still pissed at Manchin for his SCOTUS vote, BUT: so are we going to help ourselves by replacing him by a Republican likely to vote for even worse nominees?

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. This is what we get when democrats are on the take, SCOTUS pics like Kavanaugh. This is why we need to get rid of money in politics, AKA Citizens United.

And the chances are good that Manchin will lose this time. When voters have a choice between a fake democrat and a real republican, they'll pick the one with the R before his name. If I was a voter in West Virginia, I would have to give my vote to a man who betrayed our values. NO thanks! I'll go independent or third party. With Manchin, it makes no difference. He's one of the most corrupt members of the senate.

And what frustrates me is people in that state had a great opportunity to vote him out in a primary and they failed. Younger people arent' voting in numbers. This last primary here in Maine had the democratic winner for governor go to a centrist candidate instead of the progressive ones. My sister, who does exit polling, said the vast majority of the voters that came out were middle age and elderly. They tend to go centrist. Young people don't vote.

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A corporate dem is a democrat who takes corporate money in exchange for votes on legislation. Why some democratic voters fail to realize this is beyond me.

With that said, I voted for Clinton in the general election simply because she wasn't trump. But if the democratic party is expected to survive, they need to be independent of corporate cash and become as good at propaganda as the republicans. No more pussyfootin' around! And stop the talk of propping up Joe Biden as the next candidate to oppose trump. Seriously? Joe Biden?

If the democrats are serious about winning elections, they need to prop up a candidate with an enthusiasm factor. Barrack Obama had that. Joe Biden is BORING


My position on HRC is already well known. I totally agree with you.

I do not think Joe Biden will run. But he making the noise necesssary to stir things up. Democrats will need a strong Candidate. The Democrats cannot let Race or Gender preclude a winner. Julian Castro might be a good choice. Maybe Elizabeth Warren....but never Bernie.

And I totally agree with being independent of Corporate Cash. The sooner the better.

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Are all corporations bad?

I thought we liked CostCo. That's a corporation.

Is it bad to take donations from CostCo? They support a lot of Democratic candidates.

I'm so confused.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. This is what we get when democrats are on the take, SCOTUS pics like Kavanaugh. This is why we need to get rid of money in politics, AKA Citizens United.

And the chances are good that Manchin will lose this time. When voters have a choice between a fake democrat and a real republican, they'll pick the one with the R before his name. If I was a voter in West Virginia, I would have to give my vote to a man who betrayed our values. NO thanks! I'll go independent or third party. With Manchin, it makes no difference. He's one of the most corrupt members of the senate.

And what frustrates me is people in that state had a great opportunity to vote him out in a primary and they failed. Younger people arent' voting in numbers. This last primary here in Maine had the democratic winner for governor go to a centrist candidate instead of the progressive ones. My sister, who does exit polling, said the vast majority of the voters that came out were middle age and elderly. They tend to go centrist. Young people don't vote.


People not voting or at this point voting third party when the choice is between neonazis and centrists is how Republicans win these elections, and end up with control of the entire legislative branch. Then confirmations of POTUS picks come down to one or two votes. It's absurd that liberals and the left somehow end up dependent on untrustworthy, rightwing so-called "moderates" like Manchin and Collins. The too-woke-to-vote-at-all crowd also has a hand in this. Voter suppression is one thing, but voter-self-suppression makes no sense to me.

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