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I'll say hello to him for you. Got any requests? :D

President Trump To Visit Miami On Monday, Will Speak In Support Of Venezuela’s Juan Guaidó
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maybe you could mention this to him.

Starving girl shows impact of Yemen war, economic collapse

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.......She said they were fleeing bombardment from the Saudi-led coalition, which intervened in Yemen in 2015 to restore the internationally recognized government of Yemeni President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi after the Houthi-movement ousted it from power in the capital Sanaa in 2014.

“We don’t have money to get food. All we have is what our neighbors and relatives give us,” the sister said. Their father, in his 60s, is unemployed. “He sits under the tree and doesn’t move.”

“If we stayed here and starved no one would know about us. We don’t have a future,” she said.........


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.......There is food in Yemen, but severe inflation has eroded people’s ability to buy it, and the non-payment of government worker salaries has left many households without incomes.

“It’s a disaster on the edge of famine ... Yemeni society and families are exhausted,” Aslami said. “The only solution is to stop the war.”........

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I get this weird feeling he ain't taking questions from the peanut gallery on Monday, but that's one of many questions I'd put to him.

I may not be a Maduro fan, but another one I've got for him is "WTF" he was thinking putting Elliot Abrams in charge down there.

Hmmm. Just read this at the event description.

Please note that this is a ticketed event managed by The White House.

Ummm... I'm guessing that means no hoi polloi, I'm betting I can't get on the WH ticket list. Maybe I'll find some protests outside. :mrgreen:

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If you go there and start protesting maybe other protesters will find you.


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They will be there first, Sam. :D

Not My President's Day Protest to Stop Fake National Emergencies
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Monday, February 18 at 2:30 p.m.
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Trump will be visiting the FIU Main Campus this President’s Day to give a private speech about democracy in Venezuela. Let's remind him that he's endangering democracy here at home by declaring a false national emergency! Trump’s emergency declaration is an undemocratic power grab to get his racist border wall that will do nothing except erode the foundations of our democracy. Join MoveOn, Nat'l Organization for Women at FIU, ATAC, Labor Community Alliance, Bend the Arc South Florida, students, and other local groups to resoundingly reject the #FakeTrumpEmergency and #ShutDownTheWall
Directions: The event will be on the Graham Center lawn located in the center of campus, between the GC and OE buildings. Parking Garage 6, PG5 Market Station, Blue Parking Garage, Lot 3, and Lot 4 offer metered parking.

I had a feeling. :mrgreen:

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Went by the Ocean Bank auditorium where he will be later. Saw many folks from an organization called VARA (Venezuelan American Republican Association) with signs outside, some folks in Trump gear, and many others lined up, presumably to go through the security check later. The whole area around the auditorium is cordoned off with police tape and closed to traffic, and I've seen a mix of campus police, Secret Service, and other folks that are in flak jackets and heavily armed. Pretty surreal.

Went by the other area where campus protests are supposed to be later, nobody from those protests are there, but there appears to be a pro-life group there at the moment, they have put up there a display of graphic images of what they claim are abortions. I asked the folks there, and they said they had long been scheduled to be there, it had nothing to do with Trump's visit. Also, some Jehovah's Witnesses, handing out literature at a little display stand. (I don't think they are connected to the other group.)

Should mention somebody climbed a crane to leave a banner message for the president. Unfortunately, the wind has already shifted it so it's difficult to read.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-ne ... story.html

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Nothing's sadder than risking your life to climb a construction crane, and then not securing the banner at both ends.

I can't read past "Mr President," but I suspect the banner is a welcome. I wonder if the GOP will be able to co-opt the Venezuelans for their private dirty trick squad the way they did with the CIA's Cubans.

There are protests nationwide on the theme Not My President's Day. The one in L.A. is at City Hall, which will otherwise be deserted except for the rats carrying typhus which they got from the homeless.

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BTW, if you are wondering if there is a nationwide protest near you for Not My President's Day/Fake Emergency Day ...

Check here.
https://www.crisisresponse.us/event/cri ... se/search/

There's supposed to be over 240 today. Biggest will probably be in DC.

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Turns out crane guy was asking for mercy for a Cuban exile convicted of bombings and terrorism, Eduardo Arecena.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 25070.html

The protest at 2:30 PM clashed head to head with the pro-life guys. The NOW people had been clashing with them all day.

I got to hear the last part of Trump's speech, as they were blasting it outside in a field to the hoi polloi without invites to the arena. There was some guy there who put a radio on the ground across the street playing 'Fuck Donald Trump," a hiphop song I'm definitely adding to my playlist. Somebody with a camera, I don't know if he was a real journalist or for what, asked me why I was there. I told him it was because there was no national emergency at the southern border and I was showing solidarity with other protests to that effect around the country. He pointed over to a group of Trumpers and he said "they told me the exact opposite". I told him "they have a right to their opinion, just not to their own facts". He smiled and went to somebody else in the crowd.

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/02/18/p ... iu-monday/

Trump's speech was the same old crap. As I told that guy, before he moved off from me, I guess not getting the remarks he wanted, I told him Trump was so focused on lack of democracy in Venezuela, but what about his encroachments on democracy right here in the U.S.?

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Only WSVN seems to have covered the demos here, AFAICT, so far. Lots of stations covered the speech. I didn't watch because I was onsite, but Mom told me all the local news stations carried his entire speech live.

Dozens at FIU protest Trump administration’s Venezuela involvement
https://wsvn.com/news/politics/dozens-a ... volvement/

WEST MIAMI-DADE, FLA. (WSVN) - Dozens of protesters came together at Florida International University’s Modesto A. Maidique Campus to protest the Trump administration’s involvement in Venezuela just as the commander in chief was getting ready to deliver a speech on campus.

The protesters, who held signs outside the campus’s library Monday, were also protesting President Donald Trump’s national emergency declaration to fund the border wall.

Protester Joey Morales said, “A school named Florida International University is supposed to represent international students, and yet they’re inviting someone who’s deemed the immigrant community as a threat to this country. I’m here to protest that.”

Demonstrators were seen holding signs such as “No U.S. Coup in Venezuela” and “Hands off Venezuela.”

Linda Guillotti, the president of FIU’s National Organization for Women, said, “There’s a huge threat when the United States wants to come in and put someone like Elliott Abrams in charge. History repeats itself. There’s nothing that is going to indicate that he has turned over into a new leaf and has just become an angel, and now just wants to help,”

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I talked to Ms. Guilliotti earlier in the day. She happens to be Venezuelan. She had some choice words for the anti-abortion folks earlier in the day.

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Yeah, what a shock. The real focus of the speech was a whole new neocon/big stick foreign policy toward Latin America - I'm so glad we elected a non-interventionist :roll: - not just Venezuela ... plus of course how he's going to run in 2020, assuming he makes it that far. Trying to get other Latino votes in Florida, Venezuelans and Nicaraguans as well as Cubans.

Trump Rages Against ‘Socialist Tyranny’ During Call To Oust Venezuelan President
Trump embraced the rhetoric of the Cold War, promising to topple Nicolás Maduro and “socialists” all across the Western Hemisphere.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ma ... eb46b8aa04

President Donald Trump branded his efforts to oust Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro as a crusade against international socialism, using a campaign-style speech in Miami on Monday to reignite the rhetoric of the Cold War as his administration continues to pursue regime change in the South American nation.

“We’re here to proclaim a new day is coming in Latin America,” Trump said during the speech at Florida International University. “Socialism is dying and liberty, prosperity and democracy are being reborn.”

The speech was an early and thinly veiled attempt to tie Trump’s potential Democratic opponents to socialism during his 2020 re-election campaign: Socialism, he told the assembled crowd, was merely an effort ― made “under the banner of progress” ― to control industries like health care, finance and others.

“America will never be a socialist country,” he proclaimed to cheers.

The speech, filled with rhetoric ripped straight from the Reagan era, also heralded a broader campaign across Latin America than even his administration’s initial actions on Venezuela have suggested.

Raging against “socialist tyranny,” Trump promised that “the twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere,” and suggested that the efforts to topple Maduro may not stop there: “The days of socialism are numbered not only in Venezuela, but in Nicaragua and Cuba as well.”

The Western Hemisphere, he said, would soon be the first socialism-free region of the world.

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Even before the speech, Venezuela experts had worried that the administration’s increasingly political calls for Maduro’s ouster might only bolster his position and undermine attempts to address Venezuela’s ongoing political and humanitarian crises.

“The more the U.S. makes this about Trump versus Maduro, the more that plays into Maduro’s hands,” said Geoff Ramsey, a Venezuela expert at the Washington Office for Latin America, a D.C.-based think tank. “It makes it easier for him to paint himself as a victim of imperialist menace.”

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Trump’s actions have played into Maduro’s hands, said Temir Porras Ponceleón, a former adviser to Chávez who is now a critic of Maduro’s government.

“This is a very, very public regime change strategy,” Porras, who is now a visiting professor at Sciences Po, Paris, said. “The involvement of the U.S. administration makes it easier for the Maduro government to depict it as a U.S.-led plan to achieve regime change in Venezuela. That doesn’t make things easier. It doesn’t solve the political problem.”

Last month, Trump appointed Elliott Abrams as the White House’s special envoy to Venezuela. A veteran of the Reagan and George W. Bush administrations, Abrams backed efforts to overthrow multiple governments and has been linked to cover-ups of human rights violations and potential war crimes in Latin America during the 1980s, at the height of the U.S. governments efforts to prevent the rise of leftist governments in the region. Abrams reportedly backed the 2002 coup attempt against Chávez, though he has denied those claims.

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Even some who support the administration’s actions on Venezuela have acknowledged that Trump has “zero credibility when it comes to human rights concerns,” and Trump’s governance of his own nation has also undermined his purported cause in Venezuela.

Maduro blasted Trump as a “white supremacist” in an interview with the BBC last week, adding that the White House is ruled by the Ku Klux Klan. (*) National Security Adviser John Bolton was also roundly criticized Monday when he praised Colombia for accepting Venezuelan refugees at a time when Trump has attempted to close the U.S. borders to refugees and immigrants, especially those from Latin America.

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The Lima Group, a coalition of Latin American democracies and Canada that also backed Guaidó, has said it would not support any military intervention in Venezuela, an option that experts see as unlikely but that the Trump administration, by contrast, has refused to take off the table. Top Trump allies in the region, like right-wing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, have said military use is not acceptable.

In early February, meanwhile, a collection of eight European Union nations and three Latin American countries ― all of whom have stronger diplomatic ties with Maduro’s government than the U.S. ― began talks to “forge a common international approach to support a peaceful, political, democratic and Venezuelan-owned resolution to the crisis ... through free, transparent and credible presidential elections, in accordance with the Venezuelan Constitution.”

The United States is not a part of the group, largely due to its lack of historical credibility in the region.

“It is clear that the United States government cannot be a member of this contact group,” the Washington Office for Latin America said last week, “because the U.S. government lacks the positioning to lead a negotiated solution.”

Trump’s continued escalation, though, could threaten any ongoing talks, said Porras, who has warned that U.S. involvement carries substantial risks, including the potential for civil war.

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(*) He's not wrong, at least there. :D I'm not a Maduro fan, but hey we've said the same thing. :mrgreen:

I believe the Lima Group, which does not include us, has pointed to the best solution to the crisis. Unfortunately, as always, Trump is the bull in the china shop, whose rhetoric and actions are probably making any solution here more difficult. Allowing Maduro to tighten his grip.

Is this more for trying to bring Venezuelans into the Republican column in South Florida? Survey says yes, I think.

It's a little weird to call Nicaragua socialist... now don't get me wrong, Ortega is ruling dictatorially as an authoritarian, but he's no Sandinista anymore. In fact, he allowed a complete ban on abortion in the country. He now campaigns for the support of both the Catholic and evangelical right in the country, and has basically tilted toward neoliberalism.

Anyway, I think we've seen the beginnings of his campaign pitch for some of the Hispanics in South Florida, and the campaign message he's going to use against Warren, and Sanders, who just announced this morning. "Socialist tyranny". Yet no word on how his own rightist populist authoritarianism is eroding our Constitution and our own democracy.

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The New York Times says Vermont Public Radio asked Sanders if he thought he best represented the current Democratic Party, he answered:

“We have got to look at candidates, you know, not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or their gender and not by their age,” Mr. Sanders said. “I think we have got to try to move us toward a nondiscriminatory society which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for.”

He is so not my date to this dance. :|


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Bernie works for Putin.

Professor, well done! I will read more later.

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Bernie works for Putin.

Professor, well done! I will read more later.

No, Bernie doesn’t. Bernie needs to go away as he won’t move the party or win. He is done and he needs to go away.

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So, it looks like Donald is going to accuse all his Democratic opponents of being "socialist" - not just Sanders - also Warren, Harris, it seems all of them. Then try and conflate them with Maduro. :roll:

Yeah, this is why, now, BTW, my insistence on clarity and understanding that a) there IS such a thing as democratic socialism and authoritarian leftism ain't the same thing and b) in any freaking case, Sanders is a social democrat and/or left-populist, which is still NOT the same thing.

I think part of this is a gambit for Florida votes, as I've said. Possibly for Hispanics elsewhere who are refugees from authoritarian regimes. The rest is just general election posturing.

He wants a "socialist free hemisphere". What does that mean? Getting rid of firefighters, public education, Medicare and SS (even before we expand/change them)?

The one thing I will say. Some of the protesters on the other side were slinging insults at the Venezuelans who were coming out of the rally. There was a woman crying, talking about how Maduro had imprisoned some of her family members. This is not a winning strategy to confront people with those experiences. As I told people there, I was there to talk about something else - the bogosity of a "national emergency" on our southern border.

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No, Bernie doesn’t. Bernie needs to go away as he won’t move the party or win. He is done and he needs to go away.

Like I said somewhere else, Vlad and Bernie both want to curtail capitalism for very different reasons.

So whether he works FOR him or not doesnt matter.

Prof, if rump could legitimately win reelection regardless of how he illegitimately paints our candidates, this country would not be America anymore and we would need to do something about that.

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Bernie works for Putin.

Professor, well done! I will read more later.


You really need to get over your fixation on Putin. No....Bernie does not work for Putin, Bernie is in it for himself and himself alone. I doubt Putin cares about Bernie either way. Bernie is become the new Eugene V. Debs. He loves the sound of his own voice.

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The dirty word "socialism" is being used all over the Sinclair run stations, Fox, etc.

Notice how often Glen uses it?

When I was just in the states. my MIL was talking about her fear of socialism, and she doesn't even watch Fox anymore. They just watch local news. Sinclair stations.

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Like I said somewhere else, Vlad and Bernie both want to curtail capitalism for very different reasons.

So whether he works FOR him or not doesnt matter.

Prof, if rump could legitimately win reelection regardless of how he illegitimately paints our candidates, this country would not be America anymore and we would need to do something about that.

Let me see if I have this straight. You support nationalization of utilities, petroleum industry, internet etc but you have a problem with Sanders “curtailing capitalism”? Siffuce it to say Sanders is done. Populists such as he burn out. Trump’s base is much less than his election numbers in 2016. Unless he pulls some bullshit, very possible but unknown as to what and to what extent, he is done as well as long as the Dems run a candidate that can win. That being said if Trump pulls some nationalistic crap that resonates with those who voted for him before so that they are willing to overlook his nonsense he very well may win.

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A few dozen? Wow. Sad turnout. (is that accurate?)

Its fair to say, however, that it might have looked as though people were supporting Maduro, which is certainly not how (the overwhelming bulk of) S Florida Venezuelans want to appear. That too could have kept people away.

Yeah, I'd have to agree, that this is largely to try to bring this block of voters to the Republican party. But pretty much anybody with half a brain knows Maudro is a tyrant, has destroyed Venezuela (together with his predecessor) and has to go. Trump is no outlier with his recognition of Guaido. (been traveling though, so haven't heard/read antying about Trumps actual speech.)


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You really need to get over your fixation on Putin. No....Bernie does not work for Putin, Bernie is in it for himself and himself alone. I doubt Putin cares about Bernie either way. Bernie is become the new Eugene V. Debs. He loves the sound of his own voice.



You do realize that chekists operate by dividing the left from the left as well as from the right, right?

It's not out of the question to be suspect of Bernie Sanders. And Jill Stein is definitely a Putin Puppet.

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A few dozen? Wow. Sad turnout. (is that accurate?)


Wasn't there the whole time, I had to go teach, but at least initially, seemed to be like not more than 200 people. Didn't do a head count. That is, I guess, a few dozens.

It all depends on how you count. Is it only the people with the banners, signs, chanting slogans? There was a larger crowd than that gathered, but in varying degrees of passivity.

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Its fair to say, however, that it might have looked as though people were supporting Maduro, which is certainly not how (the overwhelming bulk of) S Florida Venezuelans want to appear. That too could have kept people away.


Dunno, I personally feel they were not helping themselves by attacking the Venezuelans who attended Trump's speech, or ignoring the very real stories they had of family members being persecuted by the regime.

I saw some students who definitely looked off put by the radicalism of some of the participants ... but I wasn't an organizer, and it wasn't my call. For while I was there, I was just holding my plain basic "#Resist" sign which a guy from MoveOn handed to me.

Some of the "Hands off Venezuela" folks were giving out what I would call pro-Maduro messages ... I kept telling people I wasn't with those folks.

I was there to talk about a bogus emergency at the border, and the erosion of democracy WITHIN U.S. borders - not that Venezuelan democracy isn't also important.

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Those points are valid, and so is the point that choosing Elliott Abrams to be our satrap for Venezuela was not a good idea, as well.

Also, I agree with some (opposition) folks inside and outside Venezuela that military intervention will be counterproductive.

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You do realize that chekists operate by dividing the left from the left as well as from the right, right?

It's not out of the question to be suspect of Bernie Sanders. And Jill Stein is definitely a Putin Puppet.


Yes, I do. I do believe Bernie is a Russian Asset or a Russian Stooge. He is in it for himself. Russian Bots did a lot for Bernie, but that not mean that Bernie was working for Putin.

Jill Stein, yes she is a Putin Puppet and most likely an asset. She destroyed the Green Party. At one time it was a great idea, but with her candidacy, she moved the Greens into the Russian Camp.

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She was just the Greens' candidate. I hope they will nominate someone else for 2020. That said, that person will also lose.

Third party politics go nowhere in the U.S. There are structural reasons for it. As I keep pointing out, ignoring this will not make it go away.

Also, of course, we also have to hope they don't find somebody with too much popularity, as they are most likely to take votes from the Democrat and help Trump win.

This is the way our system of plurality voting works, and not liking it doesn't make it go away.

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