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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 am 
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Christchurch mosque shooting: what we know so far
Police in the New Zealand city of Christchurch are responding to “a serious ongoing firearms incident.”
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/3/14/182 ... at-we-know

Several people have been killed early Friday morning in what authorities have deemed a terrorist attack at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch.

According to police, 49 people have been killed with another 48 injured and receiving medical care.

A 28-year-old man is in custody, was charged with murder, and will appear in court Saturday morning. Three other people remain in custody, but police say one of them may not be involved in the attack.

“We have had no other threats since we responded to this incident,” New Zealand Police Commissioner Mike Bush said. He added that “no agency had any information” on the alleged attackers in the “well-planned event.”

There have been two shooting incidents so far: one at the Al Noor Mosque next to Hagley Park, where 41 people were killed, and another at the Linwood Mosque in the suburb of Linwood, where 7 people died. One person died in the hospital, according to police.

Police said they found two improvised explosive devices attached to one vehicle. One of those devices has been defused, and authorities are working to neutralize the other.

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In a brief press conference, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern called the mass murder a “terrorist attack” and said the perpetrators held “extremist views” that have no place in New Zealand.

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One shooter live-streamed his attack on social media, gruesomely displaying how he entered the mosque and shot innocents.

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Only NZ press seem to have the name of the arrested shooter.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12213076

Australian police have identified the shooter as Brenton Tarrant - a white, 28-year-old Australian-born man. Twitter has shut down a user account in that name.

The gunman published an online link to a lengthy "manifesto", which the Herald has chosen not to report.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed an individual taken into custody was an Australian-born citizen. He called him "an extremist, right-wing, violent terrorist".

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No, I will not link to the manifesto either, but it appears to be a long 70+ page rant against Muslims & immigrants.

Drumpf already tweeted a response to this attack - which many feel shows his usual lack of, oh I dunno, showing normal human empathy... then proceeded a few seconds later to post another "jexodus" tweet.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:58 am 
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Are conservatives, Trumpers, and Republicans of all flavors enjoying this massacre in New Zealand. Probably not all of them. Most of them? Perhaps. A good portion of them? You bet your ass they are.

The pressure is off boys...it's no worse here than in New Zealand.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:24 am 
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Once again. Unbearable. No excuse for hate crimes.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:08 am 
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Once again. Unbearable. No excuse for hate crimes.


I know there has been a lot of this sort of thing among all races. Mass murders in Vietnam after our complete withdrawal in 1975. The cultural revolution in China. Rwanda, Uganda and other history in Africa. And of course ISIS lopping heads off of their own, and other atrocities in the middle east.

But there's something about white nationalists, including the nazis and the purges in Russia under Stalin, and of course our own pre-and post civil war genocide. White nationalists are particularly noxious in my book.

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I know there has been a lot of this sort of thing among all races. Mass murders in Vietnam after our complete withdrawal in 1975. The cultural revolution in China. Rwanda, Uganda and other history in Africa. And of course ISIS lopping heads off of their own, and other atrocities in the middle east.

But there's something about white nationalists, including the nazis and the purges in Russia under Stalin, and of course our own pre-and post civil war genocide. White nationalists are particularly noxious in my book.
Most decent people, when they see this type of crime committed by/to 'their own' are (or should be) particularly incensed/touched. I suspect its just human nature. Perhaps because we feel the sense of kinship. (I'm not saying that anyone here is white supremicist, merely that New Zealand is culturally close to the United States, so Americans feel this more than they might have in many of the other ongoing and historical massacres).


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Right, I've been talking to NZers online, and they are appalled. Same thing we say, that their country is better than that. Of course, I'm no longer sure ours really is.

The manifesto is the kind of thing that should have been tagged by an algorithm, reported to authorities for their consideration, then summarily auto-deleted. The video is hard core snuff porn by any other name, and I'm appalled myself that Reddit won't take it down. (Is it off YouTube yet?) This is not free expression. It's fascist grandstanding for the purpose of inspiring other terrorists. Reddit needs to be ddos'd.

Still think the Internet doesn't help whacko whitenats radicalize each other? It gives them a common vocabulary, a place to spout, and a chance to see everyone else's spouting worldwide. These people want you dead. Our president said some of them are good people, but then our president isn't the most trustworthy source for much of anything. Mostly I see a bunch of losers who need someone else to blame for being generally lousy people.

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New Zealand Prime Minister says, 'Our gun laws will change'

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- New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said Saturday morning that "our gun laws will change" following the mass shooting at two Christchurch mosques that left 49 people dead.

"There were five guns used by the primary perpetrator," she said at a news conference in Wellington. "There were two semi-automatic weapons and two shotguns. The offender was in possession of a gun license. I'm advised this was acquired in November of 2017. A lever-action firearm was also found."

She said the suspect, who has not been publicly identified, obtained a gun license in November 2017 and began purchasing guns legally in December 2017..........


he was from Australia, was he visiting or residing in New Zealand?

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Man attacked with hammer outside of London mosque hours after New Zealand shooting

A man was reportedly attacked with a hammer outside a mosque in London just hours after a deadly attack on two mosques in New Zealand.

British news outlet The Independent reported three men shouted Islamophobic slurs as they drove past a mosque in East London, calling worshippers terrorists.

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Trump on Friday said he doesn’t consider white nationalism a rising threat across the world but sees the problem as contained to a “small group” of people. - ABC News

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New Zealand mosque attacks suspect praised Trump in manifesto
Suspected gunman behind the Christchurch rampage dubbed the US president 'a symbol of renewed white identity'.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/ ... 43150.html

The Australian-born suspect who shot and killed dozens of Muslim worshippers in Christchurch, New Zealand, has published a manifesto praising US President Donald Trump and Anders Breivik, the Norwegian white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

The 74-page dossier, which has been described by Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison as a "work of hate", hailed Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose".

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The framing of the video, which shows only the gunman's hands holding the gun as he shoots and reloads, is eerily similar to the style of a first-person shooter video game.

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Sky New Zealand pulls Sky News Australia off air over Christchurch massacre coverage

Sky New Zealand has pulled fellow broadcaster Sky News Australia off air until the channel stops broadcasting clips from the Christchurch mosque shooter’s Facebook live stream.

In a tweet posted on Saturday morning, Sky New Zealand, an independently-owned broadcaster, said it had decided to remove the Australian 24-hour news channel from its platform because of the distressing footage.

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I will observe that in broadcasting so widely and so predominantly in bold that people simply must not view that video they are insuring that it gets the maximum viewership possible.

Sure seems like someone, or many someones, powerful in the media world wants everyone to watch it.

Can you imagine the embarrassment when in some time hence, it's reveled that among your peers you don't know anyone who has seen it, meaning you did not yourself see it.



I haven't seen it.

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Everybody lies. You say you havent seen it. Probably a lie. Somebody else says they've seen a completely un-edited version...its a lie.

If everybody who ever said they were at Wrigley on October 1, 1932 and saw Babe Ruth call his shot, were actually there, Wrigley would have a capacity of over 3 million.

People lie like dogs.

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sad for the people . think this will not end or recede as long as it involves gigantic rewards for business and authorities and politics. at least not the current modern crop.

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UM police: 'There does not appear to be an active threat'

After issuing an active shooter alert, The University of Michigan says there does not appear to be a threat on the university's Ann Arbor campus.

University police said they received reports of shots fired in Mason Hall. Officers told The Detroit News they have found no evidence of shots fired or an active shooter. Mason Hall is an academic building on The Diag.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 188612002/


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Yesterday the huge Century City Mall in LA was evacuated for several hours due to an active shooter scare. No shooter. The fabled Beverly Hills High School was put on lockdown. Someone who didn't like Amazon set fire to a box in their store, smoking up the place and causing a bomb scare that closed the mall for a few more hours.

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they tell people to fight run and hide and then say its a false alarm.

Potential active shooter reported on University of Michigan campus turns out to be popping balloons

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The Washtenaw County Sheriff's Office has reported the active shooting situation was a false alarm caused by residents popping balloons.

Authorities said the commotion was caused by teenagers who were popping balloons at Mason Hall on State Street.

The University of Michigan sent out a Run-Hide-Fight alert Saturday during the chaos..........

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they tell people to fight run and hide and then say its a false alarm.

Potential active shooter reported on University of Michigan campus turns out to be popping balloons



A friend of a friend was at a conference there yesterday and was posting about it. Glad it turned out to be a false alarm.

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carmenjonze wrote:

A friend of a friend was at a conference there yesterday and was posting about it. Glad it turned out to be a false alarm.


glad for them, there was no shooting but they could have got hurt by the false alarm warning.

Erdogan Uses Video of New Zealand Attacks at Election Rallies

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glad for them, there was no shooting but they could have got hurt by the false alarm warning.
Glad no problem...And you just presented the classic case on limiting free speech. That's exactly why no one is allowed to 'yell fire in a crowded theater." In additional to just physical injury, given the circumstances it likely could have also created trauma to some people. (ps. Erodgen is a fool. The sooner Turkey rids themselves of him, the faster it can return to normalcy. But that's for another thread. )


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Dutch shooting: Utrecht police arrest suspect after three killed

A man has been arrested following a shooting on a tram in the Dutch city of Utrecht which left three people dead, police say.

Five others were injured in the incident, and authorities say the attacker's motive remains unclear.

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On the Century City Mall, they're now saying that someone was mad at Amazon (who isn't?) and threw down books, setting them on fire. When he was confronted, he pulled a gun. No shots fired.

Americans really should get over acting out strong feelings with guns.

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Glad no problem...And you just presented the classic case on limiting free speech. That's exactly why no one is allowed to 'yell fire in a crowded theater." In additional to just physical injury, given the circumstances it likely could have also created trauma to some people. (ps. Erodgen is a fool. The sooner Turkey rids themselves of him, the faster it can return to normalcy. But that's for another thread. )


well it would be like if public officials or authorities were the ones that yelled fire though and also to fight each other to get out. nobody wants their kid walking to class be jumped by a dozen people who have been falsely alerted and hoping to be hailed as a hero on the 11 o'clock news.

It's a watershed moment for gun control in New Zealand, but there are no quick fixes

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...........According to figures compiled by the University of Sydney, New Zealand had 0.17 gun-related homicides per 100,000 people in 2015. This is in contrast to the United States, which had 11 deaths per 100,000 people in 2015, according to a report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Those figures will look very different in 2019 -- and for Arden's Labour-led government, gun legislation is now the highest political priority.

The government certainly has public momentum behind it. Many New Zealanders are shocked that someone could acquire so many powerful weapons legally.

The alleged perpetrator of Friday's attacks, 28-year-old Brenton Tarrant, possessed a "Category A" gun license, giving him the right to buy semi-automatic weapons.

Tarrant had two semi-automatic weapons and two shotguns among his arsenal.

"That will give you an indication of why we need to change our gun laws," Arden said at the weekend.

Obtaining a license involves police background checks and firearms safety. But they are rarely refused, according to the latest figures. In 2017, of the 43,509 firearms license applications submitted, just 188 applications were declined. And a Category A license allows the holder to obtain any number of sporting-type rifles and shotguns. You don't need one license per weapon.

Visitors to New Zealand can apply for a firearms license that "will let you shoot for hunting or competition in New Zealand for up to a year," according to police.

Some variants of the AR-15, which has been used in several mass shootings in the US, can be legally obtained by Category A holders in New Zealand. The power of such a weapon can then be enhanced by adding a high-capacity magazine. A police report two years ago warned that such adaptations opened the way to "criminal harm" and noted that "purchase of high-capacity magazines is unregulated and does not require a firearms licence."...........


so they have a much lower rate of gun deaths than America but the policy in regards to high velocity rifles and high capacity ammo clips could bring them up to par if unchanged.

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Kentucky High Schooler Suing CNN For $275M Wants NBC, AP, Bill Maher Next

Having gone after The Washington Post and today CNN, Nicholas Sandmann’s lawyers are gearing up to whack a major media outlet “every few weeks or month.”

“Certainly we’re looking very closely at NBC, we’re looking very closely at AP, we’re looking very closely at HBO for the conduct of Bill Maher, and we’re looking at some of the people like Kathy Griffin who sent out these horrible tweets,” Todd McMurtry told Fox News Channel’s The Story with Martha MacCallum tonight.

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These are frivolous suits, and I hope some judge sticks her for court costs when throwing them out. This is another egregious case of rich white privilege. It also makes it look as if they are misusing the legal system in an attempt to change history.

Every time something like this happens, the plutocracy's reign gets shorter. Any time now, something breaks.

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