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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:27 pm 
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It's not a pissing contest.

Fact: Democrats are willing to reopen the government unconditionally. They have been trying to do so.

Fact 2: It's the POTUS who has set a condition for its reopening. "The Wall". You know, just because a boondoggle will never be built doesn't mean it now makes sense.

Fact 3: I believe this is known as holding those affected by the shutdown hostage.

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Tell me what is wrong with Schumer's position? REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT FIRST.

Negotiate about the Bridge Act & Border Security outside of a hostage/shutdown environment. We.should.not.shut.down.the.govt.over.a.policy.difference.

It's totally reasonable, it's totally a solution, and needless to say I totally agree with it.



Schumer's disenguise offer is what makes it a pissing contest and is as much of a condition as Trump's. Notveven Trump is dumb enough not to know if he reopens the gov't Schumer's bargaining position on the wall will be screw you.

Same goes for Durbin who keeps saying he is willing to negotiate and solve all issues once the gov't is reopened.

In about a month children will be without food. I am quite sure Trump not unlike Kim won't give it a second thought. What about Pelosi? What about Schumer? What about you and me? When it comes down to give Trump on paper money for a wall that will never be built. Or let children go hungry which will you choose?

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Schumer's disenguise offer is what makes it a pissing contest and is as much of a condition as Trump's. Notveven Trump is dumb enough not to know if he reopens the gov't Schumer's bargaining position on the wall will be screw you.


It removes his leverage. It will make Coulter mad. But she's already mad. It's too late to keep her happy.

I see no other downside. Making Trump sad, mad, and losing some of his base I see as upside. :twisted:

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I choose to reopen the government yesterday, without preconditions.

That is my position, and I'm sticking to it.

Yes, more and more people will be affected by the government shutdown, and it is time for the hostage taker holding their lives in the balance to cut out his crap.

When you give in to terrorists, they usually just take more hostages later on.

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Dr. King did not compromise on racial justice. Neither should we.

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...............King understood that whenever we compromise with a lie about who people are, we empower the political forces that have exploited our nation’s divisions to cling to power. The same politicians who want a wall today are also blocking voting rights and the expansion of healthcare to all Americans; they are the same people who have deregulated corporate polluters and denied climate science—the same ones who insist on increasing investment in the war economy while slashing our nation’s safety net and denying workers the right to earn a living wage.

We must be clear: Trump’s demand for a wall is not about border security. It is about a lie as sinister as the claim at the heart of Jim Crow—that America’s future depends on the values of white rule, not the promise of the multi-ethnic democracy we have struggled toward in this land for 400 years. We must not make the same mistake that the clergy of Birmingham made in 1963. If we would honor King, then let us follow him in refusing to compromise with a lie.

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In about a month children will be without food. I am quite sure Trump not unlike Kim won't give it a second thought.


That's white conservative culture for you. Sociopathic, and vicious.

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The children you guys' zero tolerance policies have already affected are just abstract objects to conservative whites, so leave it to you to use the spectre of starving children as a bat to beat your political opponents. What a d#ck move.

No to your pointless, multi-billion dollar wall, and No to the rest of your white-conservative monuments to racism.

The answer is no; never.

Never = not ever.

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This stupid, pointless multi-billion dollar wall is one thing and one thing only: an emotion-laden symbol of white conservative snowflakery, much like their Confederate statues.

And exactly like in the days of Jim Crow and de facto segregation, they want everyone else to pay for it.

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When you give in to terrorists, they usually just take more hostages later on.


Domestic terrorists is exactly what these confederates are. Never negotiate with conservative whites; they are ruthless.

For two years this president had a R House and Senate, but Ohhhhhh now all of a sudden it's a national emergency, oh where's the fire. :problem:

So much for all that smaller, more efficient government conservatives are always crowing about. :problem:

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Conservatism is a public health menace.

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These vicious confederates will shut down the federal government indefinitely for a wall only they need, in order to feel better about their miserable lives for a couple minutes.

And Flint still does not have clean drinking water.

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Boy, I love paranoid RW art.

So, Donald is rescuing two white babies from ... what? Hillary turned into Helya the Demoness from Ragnarok, and the Nazgul Ringwraiths from Lord of the Rings?

I've got it. His new slogan! "Build the Wall Around Mordor!" (It did sorta cave in at the end of Lord of the Rings). :twisted: :rw) :roll:

Anyhoo ... see, how does one negotiate with an utter fecking idiot? Asking for a friend.

Donald Trump Brags About How Well A Border Wall Works In San Antonio, A City 150 Miles From The Border
Trump also claimed that the non-existent border wall lowered crime in San Antonio, which was also pegged as untrue.
https://www.inquisitr.com/5257837/donal ... he-border/

Yes, "walls work" ... in a city 150 miles from the border, where there is no wall. :roll:

Idiotic quasi-sentient orange jello. How can you negotiate with it?

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America has been building walls for 400 yrs.”—@RubyNSales

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Earth Movers Poised To Erect Border Barrier At Texas Butterfly Refuge
Huge barrier will seal off 70 percent of wildlife sanctuary closest to the Rio
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/na ... 93b207949c

Construction equipment has moved into place to erect a looming border barrier in southern Texas in the middle of a butterfly refuge, whose operators are furious that their land has been seized and environmental regulations ignored.

The barrier is being erected along a levee of the Rio Grande in the border town of Mission.

The 18 feet of steel bollards on top of an 18-foot concrete wall will cut off 70 percent of the 100-acre National Butterfly Center closest to the river, refuge executive director Marianna Trevino-Wright told HuffPost. The barrier will be two miles from the actual border, so gates will be built to allow Texans access from one part of America to another, she said.

“This has nothing to do with a levee, nothing to do with the environment,” Wright said. “This is tactical. It’s going to be guarded by paramilitary personnel.”

Some 35,000 people a year visit the butterfly center, which has as many as 200 species of butterflies in a wildlife area that will be devastated by bulldozing and disrupted by vehicle traffic, bright lights, garbage and increased human activity, Wright complained. The wall will trap some animals on the river side during floods, and those on the other side away from water they need to survive.

As construction equipment was unloaded Monday a group of about 35 local tribal members marched in protest, the San Antonio Express-News reported.

“I didn’t expect it this soon,” Juan Mancias, tribal chair of Carrizo Comecrudo, told the newspaper. “There’s a constant uneasiness.”

Congress approved money for the barrier in last year’s federal budget, but it was pointedly not to be used to construct President Donald Trump’s wall — only for fencing or levees. The final product, however, looks suspiciously similar to an image he has tweeted of a version of his imagined wall.

Federal law passed in the wake of 9/11 allows the Department of Homeland Security to bypass environmental regulations for national security — a right the Supreme Court has let stand in a related case. The center launched a GoFundMe page, however, to continue a legal fight.

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Environmental waivers will also allow barrier construction to cut through the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge, Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park and some private property.

Wright told HuffPost that a border official told her the Trump administration is beginning its barrier construction in Texas through environmental sites because it’s the “path of least resistance.” That strategy won’t immediately trigger outrage from large numbers of private property owners whose land will also be confiscated.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection could not immediately be reached for comment. The agency claims on its website, however, that’s it’s “committed to environmental and cultural stewardship while performing our core missions of border security.” Department of Interior officials, however, have largely ignored wildlife experts’ concerns about the ecological devastation of a border wall.

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Hope none of them are "clergy". :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Let's talk illegal drugs coming into the country.

If drugs come in across the borders they come stashed inside truckloads of legal goods. If drugs come in at seaports of entry they come in stashed inside shipping containers of legal goods. Drugs are not being brought across the Mexican border by 10 year olds from Guatemala in their backpacks.

And...whenever we hear comments coming out of the festering pieholes of white confederate bigots about the Mexican bordeer we hear about the 70,000 drug deaths last year. Let's be clear, only about 7,000 of those drug deaths are attributed to heroin the most common drug coming in over the Mexican border heroin. But heroin also comes from South America and Afghanistan. In fact, 90% of heroin production worldwide is from Afghanistan. So the other 60,000+ drug deaths? Courtesy of Purdue Pharma and other big pharmaceutical manufacturers in tis country. But if we want to point our gnarly stink finger of blame for these deaths at anybody, we can point it at the Sackler family.

Not at a kid with a backpack. It's fucking ridiculous.

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Earth Movers Poised To Erect Border Barrier At Texas Butterfly Refuge
Huge barrier will seal off 70 percent of wildlife sanctuary closest to the Rio
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/na ... 93b207949c

Construction equipment has moved into place to erect a looming border barrier in southern Texas in the middle of a butterfly refuge, whose operators are furious that their land has been seized and environmental regulations ignored.

The barrier is being erected along a levee of the Rio Grande in the border town of Mission.

The 18 feet of steel bollards on top of an 18-foot concrete wall will cut off 70 percent of the 100-acre National Butterfly Center closest to the river, refuge executive director Marianna Trevino-Wright told HuffPost. The barrier will be two miles from the actual border, so gates will be built to allow Texans access from one part of America to another, she said.

“This has nothing to do with a levee, nothing to do with the environment,” Wright said. “This is tactical. It’s going to be guarded by paramilitary personnel.”

Some 35,000 people a year visit the butterfly center, which has as many as 200 species of butterflies in a wildlife area that will be devastated by bulldozing and disrupted by vehicle traffic, bright lights, garbage and increased human activity, Wright complained. The wall will trap some animals on the river side during floods, and those on the other side away from water they need to survive.

As construction equipment was unloaded Monday a group of about 35 local tribal members marched in protest, the San Antonio Express-News reported.

“I didn’t expect it this soon,” Juan Mancias, tribal chair of Carrizo Comecrudo, told the newspaper. “There’s a constant uneasiness.”

Congress approved money for the barrier in last year’s federal budget, but it was pointedly not to be used to construct President Donald Trump’s wall — only for fencing or levees. The final product, however, looks suspiciously similar to an image he has tweeted of a version of his imagined wall.

Federal law passed in the wake of 9/11 allows the Department of Homeland Security to bypass environmental regulations for national security — a right the Supreme Court has let stand in a related case. The center launched a GoFundMe page, however, to continue a legal fight.

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Environmental waivers will also allow barrier construction to cut through the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge, Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park and some private property.

Wright told HuffPost that a border official told her the Trump administration is beginning its barrier construction in Texas through environmental sites because it’s the “path of least resistance.” That strategy won’t immediately trigger outrage from large numbers of private property owners whose land will also be confiscated.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection could not immediately be reached for comment. The agency claims on its website, however, that’s it’s “committed to environmental and cultural stewardship while performing our core missions of border security.” Department of Interior officials, however, have largely ignored wildlife experts’ concerns about the ecological devastation of a border wall.

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Hope none of them are "clergy". :roll: :roll: :roll:


I hope the poor fellow on the left holding on to the end of that banner doesn't have to wade through that huge puddle of water and all that mud.


Look up Mission, TX, Butterfly Center on Google maps.

The reason for this move becomes obvious. It's about the only place along the border where Trumper type old folks traveling on the freeway system could see a mile or so of the "Great Wall" from the comfort of their car.

Even so it is still going to be off in the distance about a mile, and it's at the end of I-2 where it becomes US 93.

That's just one of the walls Trump has his back up against. He want's to build this great beautiful wall that has to be built in a place which is hard for folks who want to see it to get where they can see it.

Maybe Trump thinks those butterflies flying around the ugly wall will make the wall more beautiful. That's one of the other walls Trump has his back up against, walls are not beautiful things.



That might work butterflies flying around make my town, Butterfly, CA, more beautiful.


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Note that national security eminent domains aren't compensated. Very well armed people take your land and shoot you if you don't leave. Now smug white folks get to have the Native American experience.

Note how much of The Wall, which is supposed to secure the border, is not being built along the border. This isn't like San Diego. The US is getting smaller.

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Pentagon Deploying 3,750 Troops To Southern Border

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An additional 3,750 troops will be sent to the Southern border to help install wire barriers and monitor crossings, officials said. The new deployment will bring the number of active-duty troops there to around 6,000.............




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New Mexico's governor is pulling most of the state's National Guard troops from the U.S. Border.

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The governor of New Mexico ordered the withdrawal of the majority of the state’s National Guard troops from the U.S. border with Mexico on Tuesday, in a move that challenges President Trump’s description of a security crisis.

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced the partial withdrawal shortly before Trump’s State of the Union address. Her Republican predecessor deployed National Guard troops to the border in April 2018 at Trump’s suggestion, and 118 remained there before Tuesday’s reversal.

"New Mexico will not take part in the president's charade of border fear-mongering by misusing our diligent National Guard troops," Lujan Grisham said in a statement.
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It's the Legion of Doom convening. :rw)

MAGA all-stars visit border to plot private wall project
Steve Bannon, Kris Kobach and Erik Prince are among the backers of an improbable effort to start building a border wall without federal funding.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ce-1147210

In what amounted to a kind of #MAGA field trip, former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, baseball legend Curt Schilling, and former Sheriff David Clarke convened to plan construction of a wall along the southern border. Blackwater founder Erik Prince phoned in from South Africa.

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Bannon told POLITICO that his team is studying whether its wall could be constructed from the hemp-based building material hempcrete. “Do you understand the irony of using hempcrete to keep out marijuana?" Bannon said. The group has entered intoa partnership with the Kansas-based America’s Hemp Academy to supply the material if it is selected, according to organizers.

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About two-thirds of the 2,000-mile border is owned privately or by states, according to a 2015 Government Accountability and Oversight report, which did not offer a more detailed breakdown. Bannon said the group has identified roughly 250-400 miles of privately owned land that the project would target.

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While Bannon’s involvement had been secret, Prince, Kobach, Clarke, Tancredo and Schilling all serve on the nonprofit’s board. Each of them brings colorful credentials to the mix: Prince, the brother of Trump’s Education secretary, Betsy DeVos, has performed extensive private security work in the Middle East, Asia and elsewhere. Clarke, a former sheriff of Milwaukee County, Wis., known for wearing cowboy hats, has a reputation for espousing extreme law-and-order views on the conservative media and conference circuit. Tancredo made his name as a five-term congressman with constant calls for tighter border security. And Schilling has pivoted from a storied major league pitching career to a failed video game startup to hosting a podcast for Breitbart News.

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Hempcrete. I love it. :mrgreen: If you can't bust through the wall or get over it ... smoke it. :rw)

So, BTW, as this is a nongovernmental effort, they are simply going to try and buy the private land they want to acquire through market transactions ... not use eminent domain.

They are working with crankster/fraudster Brian Kolfage still.

Good luck fellas. :D

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It's the Legion of Doom convening. :rw)

MAGA all-stars visit border to plot private wall project
Steve Bannon, Kris Kobach and Erik Prince are among the backers of an improbable effort to start building a border wall without federal funding.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... ce-1147210

In what amounted to a kind of #MAGA field trip, former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, baseball legend Curt Schilling, and former Sheriff David Clarke convened to plan construction of a wall along the southern border. Blackwater founder Erik Prince phoned in from South Africa.

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Bannon told POLITICO that his team is studying whether its wall could be constructed from the hemp-based building material hempcrete. “Do you understand the irony of using hempcrete to keep out marijuana?" Bannon said. The group has entered intoa partnership with the Kansas-based America’s Hemp Academy to supply the material if it is selected, according to organizers.

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About two-thirds of the 2,000-mile border is owned privately or by states, according to a 2015 Government Accountability and Oversight report, which did not offer a more detailed breakdown. Bannon said the group has identified roughly 250-400 miles of privately owned land that the project would target.

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While Bannon’s involvement had been secret, Prince, Kobach, Clarke, Tancredo and Schilling all serve on the nonprofit’s board. Each of them brings colorful credentials to the mix: Prince, the brother of Trump’s Education secretary, Betsy DeVos, has performed extensive private security work in the Middle East, Asia and elsewhere. Clarke, a former sheriff of Milwaukee County, Wis., known for wearing cowboy hats, has a reputation for espousing extreme law-and-order views on the conservative media and conference circuit. Tancredo made his name as a five-term congressman with constant calls for tighter border security. And Schilling has pivoted from a storied major league pitching career to a failed video game startup to hosting a podcast for Breitbart News.

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Hempcrete. I love it. :mrgreen: If you can't bust through the wall or get over it ... smoke it. :rw)

So, BTW, as this is a nongovernmental effort, they are simply going to try and buy the private land they want to acquire through market transactions ... not use eminent domain.

They are working with crankster/fraudster Brian Kolfage still.

Good luck fellas. :D


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That crowd funding guy raised, and then I guess they gave it back, about ten million dollars for building a wall. It smells like the potential for a lot of money which could be taped if the right minded fellows were to decide to tap it.

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Record $5.7 billion spent on 2018 elections for Congress

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Last year's spending by candidates, parties, political action committees and outside groups even shot past the $5.3 billion spent during the then-recording breaking 2008 presidential election, according to the analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political spending.

To put that eye-popping $5.7 billion figure in perspective: That's the amount of money President Donald Trump sought for his border wall in a confrontation with congressional Democrats that partially shut down the government for a record 35 days.................

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'Disgusting' razor wire must go, say U.S. border city residents
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“They’re turning our town into a military base. It’s like the front lines of some kind of war zone,” Nixon, 68, told the Nogales City Council on Wednesday night. “Please take a stand and at least have them get rid of the razor wire. It’s a public nuisance, it’s lethal.”

Minutes later, the council unanimously passed a resolution condemning the use of the concertina wire as an indiscriminate use of lethal force normally reserved for battlefields and high-security prisons.

The council called on the federal government to remove the wire and not use military force or military-type tactics in their city. Nogales, a city of more than 20,000 residents, borders on the Mexican city of the same name.

“We’re not going to allow this in Nogales,” Mayor Arturo Garino, a Democrat, said at the meeting, which was recorded and streamed on the internet. “We have children who live right next to it, 10 feet away from it.”

Garino said his city was very safe, and he did not want the eyesore and safety hazard of the wire to ruin the community’s healthy economy. He planned to file a lawsuit over it.

The razor wire was installed by some of the more than 6,500 active-duty and National Guard troops deployed to the southern border.


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Other misc. tidbits from the newsosphere: (won't give links for all these but easily find-able).

The Mayor of El Paso said Trump lied about his city being plagued by crime from immigrants, or that the nearby border wall had any impact on same. He's apparently going to be "rallying" there soon to catapult more of the bullshit.
Trump said in the SotU that he's for legal immigration. That is another fascinating lie, or at least a major reversal, because previous proposals by him would cut legal immigration sharply.
The Nat'l Butterfly Center is seeking an injunction against the disruptive wall construction occurring on their land.
A lot of the current construction is receiving waivers against the environmental review process that normally needs to occur to assess ecological impacts.

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'Disgusting' razor wire must go, say U.S. border city residents
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1PX04V

“They’re turning our town into a military base. It’s like the front lines of some kind of war zone,” Nixon, 68, told the Nogales City Council on Wednesday night. “Please take a stand and at least have them get rid of the razor wire. It’s a public nuisance, it’s lethal.”

Minutes later, the council unanimously passed a resolution condemning the use of the concertina wire as an indiscriminate use of lethal force normally reserved for battlefields and high-security prisons.

The council called on the federal government to remove the wire and not use military force or military-type tactics in their city. Nogales, a city of more than 20,000 residents, borders on the Mexican city of the same name.

“We’re not going to allow this in Nogales,” Mayor Arturo Garino, a Democrat, said at the meeting, which was recorded and streamed on the internet. “We have children who live right next to it, 10 feet away from it.”

Garino said his city was very safe, and he did not want the eyesore and safety hazard of the wire to ruin the community’s healthy economy. He planned to file a lawsuit over it.

The razor wire was installed by some of the more than 6,500 active-duty and National Guard troops deployed to the southern border.


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Other misc. tidbits from the newsosphere: (won't give links for all these but easily find-able).

The Mayor of El Paso said Trump lied about his city being plagued by crime from immigrants, or that the nearby border wall had any impact on same. He's apparently going to be "rallying" there soon to catapult more of the bullshit.
Trump said in the SotU that he's for legal immigration. That is another fascinating lie, or at least a major reversal, because previous proposals by him would cut legal immigration sharply.
The Nat'l Butterfly Center is seeking an injunction against the disruptive wall construction occurring on their land.
A lot of the current construction is receiving waivers against the environmental review process that normally needs to occur to assess ecological impacts.


so if people try to escape from America now they will be cut by razor wire

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:02 pm 
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Rohrshach unmasked & in prison -- 1:10
"You're locked in here with me"
AOC is also a Watchmen fan. -- she quoted this.

Who watches the Watchmen?
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2:20.

He and Comedian sometimes show the people who put on masks and fight crime might be ... disturbed.

One of the first original Watchmen from the 1940s was named Hooded Justice, if it doesn't make the point clear.

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Homey even wears a noose around his neck.

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www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com

Rohrshach unmasked & in prison -- 1:10

AOC is also a Watchmen fan. -- she quoted this.

Who watches the Watchmen?
www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com

What happened to the American Dream?
2:20.

He and Comedian sometimes show the people who put on masks and fight crime might be ... disturbed.

One of the first original Watchmen from the 1940s was named Hooded Justice, if it doesn't make the point clear.

Image

Homey even wears a noose around his neck.

yea thats pretty clear. lets hope the day after tommorow thing doesnt happen now.

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I love Alan Moore's storytelling. People say graphic novels are comic books for adults and it's fair, but what I really like is how Watchmen tries to blow up so many tropes of the genre. The title comes from a slogan of real world protests in the 1960s. Particularly this idea that masked vigilantes might just be dangerous to society ... as we know they are in the real world ... although of course some like Night Owl are well-meaning but just neurotic. The interesting thing is real world stuff he weaves in. Rohrshach started out somewhat normal - arresting people only - but the Kitty Genovese case (real world) and another one he investigates makes him snap - and he starts dropping criminals down elevator shafts. His prison psychologist is himself shaken to his core by trying to understand him.

As far as the wall being a prison for us on THIS side ... interesting you should point this out. Could post another Escape from NY/LA clip ... but ... this just happened.

US officer at border crossing shoots driver going to Mexico
https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/US-of ... 67271.html

Up until now, people going from the U.S. to Mexico were rarely stopped - let alone shot and killed :( ...

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2nd Shutdown avoided? I'll give him 55 miles of fencing. Won't do much, but it will shut him up. At least for a while.

Shutdown avoided? Budget deal calls for far less border wall money
https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news ... 1774427329

Three people familiar with Congress' tentative border security deal tell The Associated Press that the accord would provide $1.375 billion to build 55 miles of new border barriers.

That's well below the $5.7 billion President Donald Trump demanded to build over 200 miles of wall along the Mexican boundary. The money will be for vertical steel slats called bollards, not a solid wall.

Democrats dropped their proposal to limit the number of detained immigrants caught inside the U.S. to a daily average of 16,500. Republicans opposed that demand. There is currently no such limit.

Bargainers agreed to fund 40,520 beds to detain immigrants entering or in the U.S. illegally. That's the same number funded last year, though the actual figure held is around 49,000.

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Agent Orange has to sign it, of course. But first this draft agreement must become a resolution signed by both houses of Congress. Hopefully we can avoid it.

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