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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:39 pm 
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If every head of all the EU countries and most of Latin America are all corrupt heads of state, I suppose.

I just think calling him a "right wing dictator" when he is part of a social democratic party is silly.

Meanwhile, Maduro's "Special Action Forces" (gestapo) are killing nonviolent protesters in the streets.

Spain’s PM encourages Venezuelan opposition and calls Maduro a “tyrant”
Pedro Sánchez has met with opponents of the Bolivarian regime at a global gathering of Socialist parties in Dominican Republic
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/01/30/in ... 87343.html

As soon as he landed in Santo Domingo, Sánchez, of the Socialist Party (PSOE), met with Venezuelan opposition leaders at a meeting of the Socialist International (SI) held in the Dominican capital. In his speech, Sánchez called Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro “a tyrant.”

“We are socialists because we defend freedom. Whoever responds with bullets and prisons to the desire for freedom and democracy is no socialist, he is a tyrant. Venezuelans must feel the support of the Socialist International, and so must Nicaraguans,” said the Spanish leader at the world gathering of leftist political parties, where members have decided to expel the Sandinista National Liberation Front, led by Daniel Ortega, over the repression in Nicaragua.

Carlos Valero, a deputy for the center-left Venezuelan party Un Tiempo Nuevo (A New Era), thanked Sánchez for his support and applauded his decision to recognize Juan Guaidó as the legitimate president next week.

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If every head of all the EU countries and most of Latin America are all corrupt heads of state, I suppose.

I just think calling him a "right wing dictator" when he is part of a social democratic party is silly.

Meanwhile, Maduro's "Special Action Forces" (gestapo) are killing nonviolent protesters in the streets.

Spain’s PM encourages Venezuelan opposition and calls Maduro a “tyrant”
Pedro Sánchez has met with opponents of the Bolivarian regime at a global gathering of Socialist parties in Dominican Republic
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/01/30/in ... 87343.html

As soon as he landed in Santo Domingo, Sánchez, of the Socialist Party (PSOE), met with Venezuelan opposition leaders at a meeting of the Socialist International (SI) held in the Dominican capital. In his speech, Sánchez called Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro “a tyrant.”

“We are socialists because we defend freedom. Whoever responds with bullets and prisons to the desire for freedom and democracy is no socialist, he is a tyrant. Venezuelans must feel the support of the Socialist International, and so must Nicaraguans,” said the Spanish leader at the world gathering of leftist political parties, where members have decided to expel the Sandinista National Liberation Front, led by Daniel Ortega, over the repression in Nicaragua.

Carlos Valero, a deputy for the center-left Venezuelan party Un Tiempo Nuevo (A New Era), thanked Sánchez for his support and applauded his decision to recognize Juan Guaidó as the legitimate president next week.

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well think if it were reversed and rand paul declared himself president over the popularly elected democrat in 2020 because trumps economic policies so destabilized and divided the country. it wouldnt help the people or conditions, it would make them worse.

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Your analogy is a little imperfect.

Perhaps we should start with Trump dissolving Congress, saying it is no longer a valid legislative body, and then saying the "Trumpian Assembly" is the only valid legislative body, run by Jared, Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka, as the new leglslative leaders.

Oh, and BTW, before last November's elections, Trump declared that "only parties that love Trump" can run in the elections.

President Maduro strips Venezuela’s parliament of power - Aug 2017
Legislative powers taken from opposition-led parliament, as country’s fugitive attorney general alleges Maduro corruption links
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ment-power

Venezuela opposition banned from running in 2018 election - Dec 2017
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42304594

The dictatorship is already there. The thing is, at least Chavez did some social reforms. Maduro is just holding on to power, because he doesn't have his charisma, or really much accomplishment.

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Your analogy is a little imperfect.

Perhaps we should start with Trump dissolving Congress, saying it is no longer a valid legislative body, and then saying the "Trumpian Assembly" is the only valid legislative body, run by Jared, Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka, as the new leglslative leaders.

Oh, and BTW, before last November's elections, Trump declared that "only parties that love Trump" can run in the elections.

President Maduro strips Venezuela’s parliament of power - Aug 2017
Legislative powers taken from opposition-led parliament, as country’s fugitive attorney general alleges Maduro corruption links
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ment-power

Venezuela opposition banned from running in 2018 election - Dec 2017
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42304594

The dictatorship is already there. The thing is, at least Chavez did some social reforms. Maduro is just holding on to power, because he doesn't have his charisma, or really much accomplishment.


So they boycotted the elections themselves maybe they were selling something they new people wouldn't buy? we know trump and his party dont support fair and free elections in our own country kind of silly to think he would support that abroad, so what is at the root of it? we also know that hes not much concerned with Yemenis starving or journalist being killed by his support for both in regards to Saudi Arabia, so its hard to see where he is actually coming from or maybe not.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:41 pm 
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I really am not interested in what he thinks.

I am interested in what she thinks. (Photo from Doral Park protest.)

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will installing an austerity or austerity friendly government help her though, maybe it will do the same and worse more obscurely and with milder terminology.

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Pentagon sending another 3,750 troops to Southwest border

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........The announcement is in line with what Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan had said on Tuesday when he provided estimates for the next phase of a military mission that critics have derided as a political ploy by the White House.

Shanahan said several thousand more troops would be sent mainly to install additional wire barriers and provide a large new system of mobile surveillance and monitoring of the border area. Sunday's announcement said the mobile surveillance mission would last through Sept. 30.........

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15,000 Jews have fled Venezuela since 1999. Many are here (I know, I've met them).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Venezuela

The Jewish population also declined rapidly under the Bolivarian government according to the Algemeiner Journal, with an estimated population of 22,000 in 1999, falling to under 7,000 in 2015.

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The United States was the prime destination, particularly Miami, Florida. Others went to Israel, as well as to Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica, and Guatemala.

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In 2013, over 4000 anti-semitic incidents occurred in Venezuela according to Venezuela's main Jewish organization, CAIV.[58] Throughout the 2013 presidential campaign one of the two leading candidates, Maduro, continued a use of anti-American rhetoric ad motifs similar to those used by Chávez in the past. In this vein, he accused his opponent, Capriles, of being supported by the power of “Zionist capitalism.” Maduro claimed that Capriles acted against the interests of Venezuela, in favor of Israel, and on behalf of the “Jewish Lobby." During this time there were also frequent references to Capriles' Jewish roots in an effort to harm his campaign.[59][weasel words]

On December 30, 2014, individuals sprayed anti-Semitic graffiti on the AIV del Este Sephardic synagogue in Caracas.[9][58] The graffiti included a swastika and a Celtic cross, symbols used by neo-Nazi organizations.[9] The number "6,000,000", the number of Jews killed during the Holocaust, was also written with question marks.[9][58] The Anti-Defamation League condemned the actions and reminded President Nicolas Maduro along with his government that he was "responsible for the safety and well-being of Venezuela’s Jewish community."

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Fearing for Jewish community, Israel silent on Venezuela unrest
Some 6,000 Jews still living in the Latin American country might find themselves in uncharted waters after President Maduro, accused of fostering anti-Semitism due to Iran ties, breaks off diplomatic relations with US.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 45,00.html

Israeli officials have decided to keep mum on the unrest in Venezuela due to fears it might harm the Jewish community in the Latin American country after Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro broke off diplomatic ties with the United States. Maduro’s government has been accused of fostering anti-Semitism and extreme anti-Israeli views due to Venezuela's expanding relations with Iran.

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Your analogy is a little imperfect.

Perhaps we should start with Trump dissolving Congress, saying it is no longer a valid legislative body, and then saying the "Trumpian Assembly" is the only valid legislative body, run by Jared, Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka, as the new leglslative leaders.

Oh, and BTW, before last November's elections, Trump declared that "only parties that love Trump" can run in the elections.

President Maduro strips Venezuela’s parliament of power - Aug 2017
Legislative powers taken from opposition-led parliament, as country’s fugitive attorney general alleges Maduro corruption links
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ment-power

Venezuela opposition banned from running in 2018 election - Dec 2017
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42304594

The dictatorship is already there. The thing is, at least Chavez did some social reforms. Maduro is just holding on to power, because he doesn't have his charisma, or really much accomplishment.


ya know really no need for trump to dissolve anything here its mostly that way already, been that way for a long time due to citizens united, gerrymandering, and economic destabilization.

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I'm still skeptical of Trump's ability to recognize something.

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I forgot about this besides the Oil this too is an issue.

In Venezuela, White Supremacy Is a Key Driver of the Coup

On January 23, right after a phone call from Donald Trump, Juan Guaidó, former speaker of Venezuela’s National Assembly, declared himself president. No voting. When you have official recognition from The Donald, who needs elections?

Say what?

I can explain what’s going on in Venezuela in photos.

https://truthout.org/articles/in-venezu ... -the-coup/


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:32 pm 
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I read Palast's analysis. I don't disagree wholly. Like the rest of Latin America, and our own country, Venezuela is fractured by race and class.

But can we stop there? I don't think only light-skinned people and middle-class people are protesting against Maduro, the corruption, the authoritarianism, the violence against peaceful protesters.

The opposition against Maduro is no longer monochromatic. I can definitely tell you this is not true of the Venezuelan people I see at rallies nearby.

In the news today. Why is Maduro blocking humanitarian aid into the country?

Aid Trucks Arrive as Maduro’s Forces Dig In at Border Bridge
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... oreign-aid

Maduro has ordered a highway from Colombia into Venezuela blocked so aid cannot come in to Venezuela. Why?

Yes, I'm sure Bolton and Abrams want their oil. I just saw ol Elliott on my campus a few days before the announcement he was being sent by Trump. Needless to say, he didn't mention anything about this, then.

But I think anybody describing this as just a solely U.S. backed coup is oversimplifying.

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Rubio has been flapping his chops...

Venezuela opposition will name new Citgo board this week: WSJ

“The interim president is going to name a new governance board very soon here, probably as early as today or tomorrow and that’ll be recognized under U.S. law,” Rubio said in an interview with the Journal.

Rubio added that the United States would then recognize that board as the legal entity controlling Citgo.

It was not immediately clear how Rubio received that information. Representatives for Rubio, Citgo, the White House and Carlos Vecchio, the U.S. representative for Guaido, did not immediately respond to requests for comments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKCN1PW07J

It's not clear how Rubio is getting his information....ya......Riiight.

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We all know where Rubio is getting his information.

Petroleum politics.

They want Citgo under the control of Big Oil. The sooner the better.

It's not about "socialism," that bent folded mutilated word that means anything power wants it to mean.

It's about oil.

Few things that the left says are about oil really completely are, and you might have a few other interest groups going, but mostly more than usual, it's the oil.

In addition........

No one notes how active the US intell community has been in Venezuela. Caracas at least used to be overrun with CIA agents. Don't know about now, but it certainly was at one time. There has been an awful lot of meddling down there, trying to find a faction that will help bring regime change. Where have we read THAT one before?

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Any bets those two semi's sitting in a warehouse at the end of the bridge are USAID supplies?

In the mean time the IMF weighs in......

IMF number two David Lipton said earlier this week that the hyperinflation, mass migration and economic contraction that have ravaged the South American oil producer would require broad and "generous external support" to recover from.

But Rice said "it would be premature to begin to talk about any specifics" on types of financial instruments until the political situation has been clarified.

He declined to explain what would be required for recognition. However, a government must formally request IMF aid before the fund will get involved.

The IMF in 2011 took a similar position concerning Libya, delaying engagement with the country pending the recognition of a new government after the ouster of former dictator Moamer Kadhafi.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190207-im ... -spokesman

i would suggest Maduro duck and cover. It's looking like he's in over his head.

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Some is from USAID. At least one relief shipment came from Puerto Rico (odd, I know, you would think they need to only help themselves, but ... sympathy?)

Also Colombia, and the EU.
https://reliefweb.int/report/venezuela- ... ela-crisis

On the racial composition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... cteristics

About 51.6% of the population is Mestizo, while 43.6% are white of European ancestry and/or Middle Eastern ancestry. Another 3.7% is black/African, while 2.7% is of full Amerindian ancestry, and 1.0% other races ( principally Asian people).

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According to an autosomal DNA genetic study conducted in 2008 by the University of Brasilia (UNB) the composition of Venezuela's population is: 60.60% of European contribution, 23% of Amerindian contribution and 16.30% of African contribution.[7]

Currently, according to the critic D'Ambrosio and other academics,[8] about 51.6% of Venezuelans are mestizos (called Criollos: the 40% of them are with mostly white features, 20% with mostly black features and 10% with mostly Indians features), 45.4% are white, 2% are black and 1% Indians.

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Venezuela is like most of the rest of Latin America in that it embraces mestizaje or mixed-race/biracial/multiracial identity in a way the U.S. tends to ignore, with its bizarre hypodescent/one drop rules. Palast is right that Mestizo is the largest demographic group in the country. But that group is itself fairly diverse, and I'm not sure if it was ever united in support of Chavez, or Maduro.

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The crisis in Venezuela and its lessons for the left
CHRIS CARLSON 25 April 2018
Maduro’s defenders on the Left tend to turn a blind eye to a situation which can only be described as desperate. But its primary cause is the government’s policies.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/democraci ... s-for-left

Instead of making liberal democracy more democratic, the Maduro regime now deports journalists, jails union leaders, detains activists, murders whistleblowers, and tear gasses the poor and hungry. What was once an infallible electoral systems has now been stripped of all the guarantees that ensured fair elections, allowing Maduro and gang to bend everything in their favor.

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Chris Carlson is a PhD candidate in Sociology at the CUNY Graduate Center. His research is on the sociology of development, with a focus on agrarian relations and structural transformation in the Global South.

You should read the whole thing. It's good. but that paragraph stands out.

I'd quibble with him that even when this was written that the opposition to Maduro was only "right wing". He opposes Maduro but also condemns the entire opposition. Some of his opposition are social-democratic parties that are anti-authoritarian. (*)

I again oppose military intervention and believe only Venezuela can resolve this crisis themselves. There may be a useful role for the UN as facilitators.

(*) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrati ... Roundtable

The Democratic Unity Roundtable (Spanish: Mesa de la Unidad Democrática, MUD) is a catch-all electoral coalition of Venezuelan political parties formed in January 2008 to unify the opposition to President Hugo Chávez's United Socialist Party of Venezuela in the Venezuelan parliamentary election, 2010.[4] A previous opposition umbrella group, the Coordinadora Democrática, had collapsed after the failure of the Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004.

The coalition is made of primarily centrist, centre-left, and left-wing parties[3] – such as the social democratic party A New Era – while also including two centre-right[a] parties. The main components were Democratic Action and Copei, the two parties who dominated Venezuelan politics from 1959 to 1999. Since the 2013 Venezuelan presidential election, Justice First became the largest opposition party, and Henrique Capriles Radonski became the leader of the opposition.

These parties do not just represent upper middle-class white people, either, and you should see some of their legislators.

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maybe interim leader means signing 30 or 40 year contracts for foreign companies to pump oil, instead of oil money paying for infrastructure and needs of its people it can go to weakening their protections and corrupting their elections and government like ours does. the whole situation begs the larger question is securing this oil source a prelude to a larger entanglement.

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Pelosi Statement on the Situation in Venezuela

Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement on the situation in Venezuela:

“I support the decision of the National Assembly, Venezuela’s sole remaining democratic institution, to recognize Juan Guaidó, President of the National Assembly, as the Interim President until full, fair and free elections can be held. The United States must respect legitimate democratic processes, and support the right of the people of Venezuela to protest and defend their human rights.

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Exclusive: Venezuela shifts oil ventures' accounts to Russian bank - document, sources.

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela’s state-run oil company PDVSA is telling customers of its joint ventures to deposit oil sales proceeds in an account recently opened at Russia’s Gazprombank AO, according to sources and an internal document seen by Reuters on Saturday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKCN1PY0N3

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An Open Letter to the American People from President Nicolas Maduro

If I know anything, it is about peoples, such as you, I am a man of the people. I was born and raised in a poor neighborhood of Caracas. I forged myself in the heat of popular and union struggles in a Venezuela submerged in exclusion and inequality. I am not a tycoon, I am a worker of reason and heart, today I have the great privilege of presiding over the new Venezuela, rooted in a model of inclusive development and social equality, which was forged by Commander Hugo Chávez since 1998 inspired by the Bolivarian legacy.

We live today a historical trance. There are days that will define the future of our countries between war and peace. Your national representatives of Washington want to bring to their borders the same hatred that they planted in Vietnam. They want to invade and intervene in Venezuela – they say, as they said then – in the name of democracy and freedom. But it’s not like that. The history of the usurpation of power in Venezuela is as false as the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It is a false case, but it can have dramatic consequences for our entire region.

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