This Poll Ssys it All

[Glennfs]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1j6akK

Voters correctly see Biden as to old and Trump as to dangerous.
It is definitely a Sophie's Choice. Nikki Haley was correct in one of her ads which said the first party to replace their elderly candidate would win.

If any democrat not named Biden or Harris were running Trump would be done.
Like wise if any Republican not named Trump were running Biden would be done.

[gounion]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1j6akK

Voters correctly see Biden as to old and Trump as to dangerous.
It is definitely a Sophie's Choice. Nikki Haley was correct in one of her ads which said the first party to replace their elderly candidate would win.

If any democrat not named Biden or Harris were running Trump would be done.
Like wise if any Republican not named Trump were running Biden would be done.

Yadda yadda yadda.

You’ve been one-note Charlie for years.

[Glennfs]

Yadda yadda yadda.

You’ve been one-note Charlie for years.

Me and about 70pct of the rest of the country.

[gounion]

Me and about 70pct of the rest of the country.

No you say that since 2020, Joe Biden has had dementia so bad that he can't finish a sentence and could NEVER get through a debate. You were wrong then, you're still wrong.

Joe Biden has been a good President, and if the choice is between him and Trump, the choice is easy.

[Glennfs]

No you say that since 2020, Joe Biden has had dementia so bad that he can't finish a sentence and could NEVER get through a debate. You were wrong then, you're still wrong.

Joe Biden has been a good President, and if the choice is between him and Trump, the choice is easy.

Biden is a terrible president better than Trump is not a reasonable standard.
As for his mental condition ot is definitely getting worse and is never going to improve.
At this point I would vote for Newsom or even the failed governor of Michigan.
As it stands I am going to vote 3rd party as a protest vote.

[gounion]

Biden is a terrible president better than Trump is not a reasonable standard.
As for his mental condition ot is definitely getting worse and is never going to improve.
At this point I would vote for Newsom or even the failed governor of Michigan.
As it stands I am going to vote 3rd party as a protest vote.

Hell, the last two Republican Presidents have been gawdawful. They've been massive failures.

No, you wouldn't vote for ANY Democrat. Ever. Period. You have went so far over the edge into crazed Republican fantasies you believe everything Trump shovels at you.

Biden has been a good President, as Obama was before him. You just want everything the GOP wants, and that's not good for our country.

And Glenn, you aren't going to vote 3rd party, as there isn't going to be a third party on your ballot.

We know where your vote will be.

[Glennfs]

Hell, the last two Republican Presidents have been gawdawful. They've been massive failures.

No, you wouldn't vote for ANY Democrat. Ever. Period. You have went so far over the edge into crazed Republican fantasies you believe everything Trump shovels at you.

Biden has been a good President, as Obama was before him. You just want everything the GOP wants, and that's not good for our country.

And Glenn, you aren't going to vote 3rd party, as there isn't going to be a third party on your ballot.

We know where your vote will be.

I voted for HRC and for Biden as for 3rd party there will probably be between 3 and 5. I will probably vote for the libertarian

[gounion]

I voted for HRC and for Biden as for 3rd party there will probably be between 3 and 5. I will probably vote for the libertarian

No, you didn’t vote for Biden because you said he had full dementia.

[Glennfs]

No, you didn’t vote for Biden because you said he had full dementia.

Why would I not admit I voted for Trump if I had. It's not like I am trying to get a seat at the cool kids table.
I voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump. Biden should have been a one term place holder.
If he had our nation would owe him a debt of gratitude.
However he pissed that away by running for reelection. Now I read where I believe the NY Times had him 5 points behind Trump.
I have no clue as to why he decided to run for reelection or why democratic party leaders didn't "discourage" him from doing so.
All I can think about like most old people especially men he has no self awareness his race is run. My dad and his friends used to think they were the same bad asses who won WWII. I had to take the keys from my mom. ( literally) Someone should have had the balls to tell Joe you sorry but you can't run again.

[Glennfs]

https://dnyuz.com/2024/03/02/voters-dou ... oll-finds/

I hope all these polls are wrong. But. If they aren't and we wake up to president Trump once again it will the fault of Joe Biden and thr failure of the democratic party.
I don't know what there plan if action was but I suspect they wanted Biden again so when he steps down in two years they can claim the first female as well as African American female president.
The democratic party is more about checking the boxes and diversity hires than they are about running our nation.

[gounion]

https://dnyuz.com/2024/03/02/voters-dou ... oll-finds/

I hope all these polls are wrong. But. If they aren't and we wake up to president Trump once again it will the fault of Joe Biden and thr failure of the democratic party.
I don't know what there plan if action was but I suspect they wanted Biden again so when he steps down in two years they can claim the first female as well as African American female president.
The democratic party is more about checking the boxes and diversity hires than they are about running our nation.

It's fucking hilarious how you will absolve the entire populace voting for Trump from any responsibility for THEIR actions.

[Glennfs]

It's fucking hilarious how you will absolve the entire populace voting for Trump from any responsibility for THEIR actions.

If the democratic party had any other person other than Kamala Harris it would not be close.

[gounion]

If the democratic party had any other person other than Kamala Harris it would not be close.

Who says it’s close?

Again, you’ve got your fantasy. But polls don’t mean shit this far out. They truly don’t. We are having actual votes now - and it’s clear that up to one-third of the GOP voters will not vote for Trump under any circumstances.

[ZoWie]

Last "likely voters" poll that I saw showed it very close indeed, with a slight edge to Biden that might or might not have been in the error bar. It seems clear that once again turnout vs apathy will be the decider, and it's looking like a high-turnout election to me.

Quickie polls commissioned by Nooz organizations have many variables, and are a little better than flipping a coin, but not much.

My own view is that drumpf is where he is because people have been conditioned to have very short memories, and next to no attention spans. The nightly appearance of drumpf on their screens is enough to keep it close.

[Glennfs]

Who says it’s close?

Again, you’ve got your fantasy. But polls don’t mean shit this far out. They truly don’t. We are having actual votes now - and it’s clear that up to one-third of the GOP voters will not vote for Trump under any circumstances.

Against Trump the democratic party should be ahead by double digits and they would be with another candidate.
It is going to come down to turnout in the battle ground states.
I think Trump will flip Georgia because if Willis.
Flip Michigan because of democratic extremist supporting Hamas.
That would leave Wisconsin and I think Pennsylvania.
I doubt he has a real chance in PA. Leaving Wisconsin where hopefully Biden gets the turnout he needs in Madison and Milwaukee.

What is your source on the one third not voting for Trump?

[Glennfs]

Last "likely voters" poll that I saw showed it very close indeed, with a slight edge to Biden that might or might not have been in the error bar. It seems clear that once again turnout vs apathy will be the decider, and it's looking like a high-turnout election to me.

Quickie polls commissioned by Nooz organizations have many variables, and are a little better than flipping a coin, but not much.

My own view is that drumpf is where he is because people have been conditioned to have very short memories, and next to no attention spans. The nightly appearance of drumpf on their screens is enough to keep it close.

I heard a report today that claimed Trump has had a lead in the polls for over 230 straight days. That is troubling

[gounion]

I heard a report today that claimed Trump has had a lead in the polls for over 230 straight days. That is troubling

Again, he has about a third of the GOP that says they won’t vote for him. How do you think he’s going to win with that? Those are ACTUAL votes and exit polls, far better than pre-election polling.

[Glennfs]

Again, he has about a third of the GOP that says they won’t vote for him. How do you think he’s going to win with that? Those are ACTUAL votes and exit polls, far better than pre-election polling.

Typo it was 130 not 230


What is your source on the one third?

[gounion]

Typo it was 130 not 230


What is your source on the one third?

several stories of exit polling on actual elections, like South Carolina. I think it was 30-some percent of South Carolinians who said they wouldn’t vote for Trump under any circumstances.

Now, the number of Republicans in 2020 who said that were about five percent.

Remember that Trump has NEVER won ANY election in popular vote. EVER.

Now explain how he’s going to win with up to a third of Republicans that are going to refuse to vote for him now?

[Glennfs]

several stories of exit polling on actual elections, like South Carolina. I think it was 30-some percent of South Carolinians who said they wouldn’t vote for Trump under any circumstances.

Now, the number of Republicans in 2020 who said that were about five percent.

Remember that Trump has NEVER won ANY election in popular vote. EVER.

Now explain how he’s going to win with up to a third of Republicans that are going to refuse to vote for him now?

I think the current polling shows your numbers are incorrect.
If 30pct of Republican voters weren't going to vote for Trump under any circumstance then Biden would be up by 20 instead of down by 5

[gounion]

I think the current polling shows your numbers are incorrect.
If 30pct of Republican voters weren't going to vote for Trump under any circumstance then Biden would be up by 20 instead of down by 5

That’s because polling this far out is ALWAYS way off. ALWAYS.

Let’s just remember that that Trump and the GOP haven’t won a popular vote since before 2016.

But keep pushing Trump’s talking points that he’s winning BIGLEY.

And ignore the Republicans who say they won’t vote for him. Must be a liberal scam, right? Because who wouldn’t want to vote for Dear Leader?

YOU are the one saying all Republicans want to vote for Trump - sounds to me like you ARE.

[Glennfs]

That’s because polling this far out is ALWAYS way off. ALWAYS.

Let’s just remember that that Trump and the GOP haven’t won a popular vote since before 2016.

But keep pushing Trump’s talking points that he’s winning BIGLEY.

And ignore the Republicans who say they won’t vote for him. Must be a liberal scam, right? Because who wouldn’t want to vote for Dear Leader?

YOU are the one saying all Republicans want to vote for Trump - sounds to me like you ARE.

You are the one claiming this but refusing a link

[gounion]

You are the one claiming this but refusing a link

I bet you can use Google. But here it is, via AP: https://apnews.com/article/trump-primar ... 6784c841c0

According to AP VoteCast surveys of the first three head-to-head Republican contests, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, one-third of New Hampshire voters, and one-quarter of South Carolina voters would be so disappointed by Trump’s renomination that they would refuse to vote for him in the fall.

It's funny how, instead of saying "Great, that's fantastic news!" you want to deny it and pretend all the GOP loves Trump.

That's why no one believes you when you say you don't support Trump.

[ZoWie]

The only really rigorously arrived at poll data that's passed my mental error check is that nearly half of Democrats have misgivings about Biden's age. Didn't say they wouldn't vote for him, just that his age is an issue they're taking seriously.

Obviously this particular politically motivated issue is what resonates, because objectively both candidates are a bit long in the tooth for the presidency. Somehow, drumpf has managed to hide it better, even though his behavior on-camera for those of us who are trained in separating wretched dailies from good ones indicates a performer who isn't playing with a full deck. Biden shows that he has all his buttons, he's just old, and could use a few acting lessons especially around the matter of projecting and connecting to an audience. Drumpf? Not exactly the model of rationality. More like a trained seal. He has kind of a conditioned instinct for what plays to the third balcony and what doesn't, but otherwise he's just old too, AND has a diagnosed personality disorder that leads to an inflated sense of self-importance, and a dangerous disregard for the feelings of others.

We have another factor which never gets discussed, which is that right now who in their right mind would WANT to be POTUS? Would you? I wouldn't. I'm not wired to bash my head against the Congress where all good ideas either die or become amended until they're bad ones.

So, in this media environment we get the government we deserve.

[Glennfs]

I bet you can use Google. But here it is, via AP: https://apnews.com/article/trump-primar ... 6784c841c0



It's funny how, instead of saying "Great, that's fantastic news!" you want to deny it and pretend all the GOP loves Trump.

That's why no one believes you when you say you don't support Trump.

That is great news except Trump is going to win both Iowa and South Carolina anyway and he didn't win NH last time.
There is also reports about people being down in Biden due to his age and performance.
What it is going to come down to is can Trump keep North Carolina something I currently doubt.

Can the democratic party get enough people out to win Michigan maybe flip Ohio and hold on to Pennsylvania and win Wisconsin.
As for Georgia Trump is going to easily win Georgia.

As of today it looks like Trump will flip Georgia and probably Michigan. But, Michigan could easily wind up Biden. If Trump flips both and Biden doesn't flip any Trump still comes up short and needs to find another 10 or so EC votes.