What did we learn from COVID?

[gounion]

Why did this remind me of Joe Memphis?

[ZoWie]

What I learned from covid is that most people don't learn from history. We remade the 1918 story, and it wasn't that good a show that time either. A few minor script revisions, change the Bolshevik mask plot to a liberal conspiracy, change the war in France to one in Ukraine, change the New York tabloids to the Internet, and roll 'em.

[Glennfs]

We learned that the government over reacted

We learned that we didn't need to shut down the entire economy

We learned that if you give people $600+ a week they won't take a job unless the take home pay is significantly more than $600

We learned that we should have helped out the vulnerable and the rest should have kept working
We learned that the government lied by listing people who died with covid as having died of covid

We learned that the government did nothing for truck drivers whi worked during the entire ordeal

[ZoWie]

They did something for truck drivers in Canada. They let them block the streets of their capital for weeks in the dead of winter, as part of a protest against masks in public places. If "Heavy Rescue 401" is any indication, it beat driving in that weather.

[gounion]

We learned that the government over reacted

We learned that we didn't need to shut down the entire economy

We learned that if you give people $600+ a week they won't take a job unless the take home pay is significantly more than $600

We learned that we should have helped out the vulnerable and the rest should have kept working
We learned that the government lied by listing people who died with covid as having died of covid

We learned that the government did nothing for truck drivers whi worked during the entire ordeal

We lost more people to COVID than we did in World War II. And we had more deaths by percentage than most other countries.

Before the vax, young people were dying too.

But hey, you’re a conservative, so money matters more than lives.

[ZoWie]

Had the economy not shut down, NYC would have actually needed the emergency field hospital in the Javits Center, and LA would have actually needed to use the hospital ship the Navy sent to San Pedro.

[JoeMemphis]

Had the economy not shut down, NYC would have actually needed the emergency field hospital in the Javits Center, and LA would have actually needed to use the hospital ship the Navy sent to San Pedro.

There is absolutely no way to prove that. But if that’s what you believe then that’s okay. I believe that had we focused our efforts on protecting high risk individuals instead of trying to force compliance on everyone, the result would have been the same, maybe better, without the collateral damage from closing the economy and schools. There is no way to prove that either. We do know that states who had restrictive policies fared no better than states who didnt have restrictive policies. The numbers are what they are.

[Toonces]

That the next pandemic will doom us all?

We learned that if we patch a hole in the bottom of a boat, people will say "I don't know why you were so worried, it didn't sink"

[Glennfs]

We lost more people to COVID than we did in World War II. And we had more deaths by percentage than most other countries.

Before the vax, young people were dying too.

But hey, you’re a conservative, so money matters more than lives.

Because it comes from your God aka the government you are going to believe it and like my West Virginia grandfather there is nothing thar can be said to change your mind. Of course his was the God of the King James Bible.

But as we know had my 90+ year old mother who spent a decade in a nursing home caught covid and died. Her death would have been listed as a covid death. Even though in reality it would have simply been a contributing factor.
So in truth we did not lose more people to covid than WWII

[Glennfs]

That the next pandemic will doom us all?

We learned that if we patch a hole in the bottom of a boat, people will say "I don't know why you were so worried, it didn't sink"

Why didn't truck drivers all over the country catch covid and die?
Truckers aren't exactly paragons of healthy living. We all traveled all over the country and most weren't vaccinated and only wore masks where required.

[JoeMemphis]

I hope we learned to prioritize our limited resources and to target them where they will do the most good. It’s unrealistic to think that every single person was at high risk when we knew very quickly who was being hospitalized and who was dying. It was unrealistic to think that you can micromanage the behavior of 320 million people. Hopefully we learned that. The numbers reflect what worked and didn’t work. But why waste a good crisis? Let’s over react?

[Toonces]

More strict measures did seem to equate with better outcomes.

Again, Google can be your friend. If you need help with searching, let me know.

[Toonces]

Why didn't truck drivers all over the country catch covid and die?
Truckers aren't exactly paragons of healthy living. We all traveled all over the country and most weren't vaccinated and only wore masks where required.

Georgia specifically here, but if you can effectively explain why they'd be an anomaly, I'll listen. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlant ... M4T47UQKU/

[JoeMemphis]

More strict measures did seem to equate with better outcomes.

Again, Google can be your friend. If you need help with searching, let me know.

Yeah. I checked against the data at CDC and quickly learned the numbers didn’t reflect what folks here were claiming. So accepting what you read via google without question isn’t a good strategy.

[Toonces]

Yeah. I checked against the data at CDC and quickly learned the numbers didn’t reflect what folks here were claiming. So accepting what you read via google without question isn’t a good strategy.

By all means, enlighten us to your CDC findings.

Did the CDC chart the strategies vs outcomes of other countries? You know, to get a true sense of the policies employed by the government.

[JoeMemphis]

By all means, enlighten us to your CDC findings.

Did the CDC chart the strategies vs outcomes of other countries? You know, to get a true sense of the policies employed by the government.

Clearly the CDC focused on our country. One size does not fit all. It doesn’t in the US and I’m sure the same applies internationally. Different cultures, different constitutions, different demographics. Etc,etc, etc. People aren’t robots. Maybe they are where you live. But not here.

Prior to the vaccines rollout, the death rate per capita in red states versus blue states were pretty much even. I looked at the raw data myself. Not to mention all the data that came along later that showed keeping kids out of school did more harm than good. Data that showed 85 percent of deaths and serious illness was in people 65 and older and/or people who had comorbidities. Most other folks were low risk for serious illness or death. Despite decades of studies of influenza viruses that said the masks available to most people were ineffective for this size and type of virus. But you think what you want. I’ll make you a bet. If we have another outbreak like Covid, we won’t be shutting down the economy and people won’t be quite so easily frightened into submission as before. They will want more than the word of one or two people who “claim” to know the science and yet are unwilling to show it.

[Toonces]

That merely indicates who were at higher risk, not the impact of mitigation policies. It's impossible to know the precise role policies played, but by analyzing global data you can get an idea of their effects.

Though, it does highlight a callous disregard of human lives, which seems to be a theme. I just picture the funeral being attended "I really loved _________ but this has been really inconvenient for me".

[JoeMemphis]

That merely indicates who were at higher risk, not the impact of mitigation policies. It's impossible to know the precise role policies played, but by analyzing global data you can get an idea of their effects.

Though, it does highlight a callous disregard of human lives, which seems to be a theme. I just picture the funeral being attended "I really loved _________ but this has been really inconvenient for me".

Please. That is just bullshit. You can compare the death rates in CA and FL per capita pre vaccine and the different between the two is negligible. One state was highly restrictive and one was not. And yet the death rates were the same. So you can make your decisions emotionally and ignore the unnecessary pain and suffering you force on people because it makes you feel like you are actually doing something or you can objectively look at the data. Picture whatever you want. I know people who died from Covid just like everybody else. I also know people who worked in hospitals and in ICU who actually cared for those folks who were sick and dying. THEY knew who was high risk early on. All you had to do was ask. All you had to do was look at the numbers. It wasn’t kindergartners or 20,30, 40 something’s. It was folks over 65 with comorbidities. And the state data shows that the death rates between restrictive states and open states was negligible.

Call it callous if you want. Reality is often callous.

[gounion]

Please. That is just bullshit. You can compare the death rates in CA and FL per capita pre vaccine and the different between the two is negligible. One state was highly restrictive and one was not. And yet the death rates were the same. So you can make your decisions emotionally and ignore the unnecessary pain and suffering you force on people because it makes you feel like you are actually doing something or you can objectively look at the data. Picture whatever you want. I know people who died from Covid just like everybody else. I also know people who worked in hospitals and in ICU who actually cared for those folks who were sick and dying. THEY knew who was high risk early on. All you had to do was ask. All you had to do was look at the numbers. It wasn’t kindergartners or 20,30, 40 something’s. It was folks over 65 with comorbidities. And the state data shows that the death rates between restrictive states and open states was negligible.

Call it callous if you want. Reality is often callous.

You’re a lying sack of ahit. The numbers were NOT the same. You cherry-picked them. And you ignored things like science and germ theory. You wouldn’t care I 20 million died. All you cared about was not giving a shit.

[Toonces]

That's a good comparison because, as we know, Florida was truthful and accurate in their reporting.

You are, at the very least, predictable. Kudos for that.

Though, one has to wonder, if you don't care about others, why is the illegal immigration a problem? Are they personally bothering you, and how?

[JoeMemphis]

That's a good comparison because, as we know, Florida was truthful and accurate in their reporting.

You are, at the very least, predictable. Kudos for that.

Though, one has to wonder, if you don't care about others, why is the illegal immigration a problem? Are they personally bothering you, and how?

Seems you can find an excuse for everything you don’t like. It’s a reporting error. Where have we heard that before? What’s funny is how you think it’s only one side. Cute but naive. But that’s you.

[Glennfs]

You’re a lying sack of ahit. The numbers were NOT the same. You cherry-picked them. And you ignored things like science and germ theory. You wouldn’t care I 20 million died. All you cared about was not giving a shit.

If anything the Florida numbers should have been higher because Florida is God's waiting room when there isn't a pandemic

[gounion]

Seems you can find an excuse for everything you don’t like. It’s a reporting error. Where have we heard that before? What’s funny is how you think it’s only one side. Cute but naive. But that’s you.

Just remember, you’re the one that said the county where your lake house was had ZERO COVID cases and zero deaths, which was a complete lie, which a quick google found out. They had SEVERAL deaths.

And you cherry-picked your numbers which was also proven false at the time by many member on this board.

The truth is you don’t give a fuck for human beings, it’s all about money for you.

[gounion]

Seems you can find an excuse for everything you don’t like. It’s a reporting error. Where have we heard that before? What’s funny is how you think it’s only one side. Cute but naive. But that’s you.

Reality check: https://news.yahoo.com/california-vs-fl ... 15103.html

But in raw terms, significantly more Floridians died on a per capita basis during the COVID-19 emergency than Californians. Of the four most-populous states, California had the lowest cumulative COVID death rate: 2,560 for every 1 million residents. Florida's rate was 60% worse, with 4,044 COVID fatalities for every 1 million residents, according to a Times analysis of Johns Hopkins University data through early March, when the university ended its data tracking.

In other words, Florida's raw death tally — 86,850 in early March — came close to California's total, 101,159, despite California having roughly 18 million more residents.

One thing is that the Florida retirees probably heeded the COVID warnings and since they were retired, they didn’t HAVE to go to work daily.

But Joe’s view of “the numbers” shows that he was seeing only what he wanted to see, and didn’t give a shit HOW many people died.

[Toonces]

Seems you can find an excuse for everything you don’t like. It’s a reporting error. Where have we heard that before? What’s funny is how you think it’s only one side. Cute but naive. But that’s you.

Oooh. I like irony.