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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:08 pm wrote: Libby just owes me an apology for taking a run at me when I never said a fucking offensive thing to him.
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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:11 pm wrote:
Lighten up, Alex.
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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:11 pm wrote:
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carmenjonze » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:33 pm wrote:[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=458421#p458421]ProfessorX » Thu
Ridiculous and rightwing nutjob as he is, Kanye's version is still one of my favorite takes on this Spiritual
Yeah. Now, it's, as I said, one of the key parts of the soundtrack for Jarhead.

The fascinating thing is the song opens with what sounds like soldiers in a military march, except it's Black prisoners marching in a chain gang.

[BBvideo 425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oitL1kRPTM[/BBvideo]

Then he goes on to indeed talk about war ... but a different kind.

LYRICS
Yo, we at war
We at war with terrorism, racism, but most of all we at war with ourselves

In the film, the Jake Gyllenhall Marine character never actually fires a single shot, at least not one at the enemy. It's one of the ironies of the story. He finally gets a chance to take out an enemy with a sniper shot, and then they order in an air strike instead. Then he finds the other sniper-helper in his unit has committed suicide.

My read of the film ... as I think he even says at one point, "the war for us doesn't always end when we come back home" ... because the war is always going on inside every one of us as well as on the battlefield.

Hope that wasn't too deep. :mrgreen:

I think that video (you posted) has a beautiful scene at around 2:10 ... the cops have pulled over the Latina girl, they appear to be searching the car trunk for drugs, and suddenly flying out come ... doves.

The whole thing is of course couched in Christian idiom, it being war against the Devil, but I see it as a far more universal, archetypal struggle ... against "The Dark Side". In all of us.
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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:31 pm wrote: I think that's just great.
Saul Goodman, Ike. (We know what I mean by that at this point, right?)

I just found out there is a Miami country station, 99.9 WKIS.

I'm not going to start listening. :D

There isn't anything advertising itself as an "Americana" station in Florida.

I'm not going to start streaming one. :mrgreen:

I may catch an episode of Ken Burn's Country Music series, after it ends and all have been shown. Still not interested in all 8 episodes or watching now. (I know I said that. I'm just repeating it.)

K. Have a good one. :D
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bradman » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:45 pm wrote:
It's not the water. Ya seem to have a bit of a blind spot there. Teacher.
Why do you so often refer to ProfessorX with such wounded pride?

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"Doesn't always end?" Actually the war rarely ends when the participants return home. Depending on the specifics of each jarhead's, or other service member's, experience it ranges from rarely to never.

The vet who was assigned to my caseload who was having the roughest time dealing with it, never heard a shot fired in anger. He was a Navy corpsman on a hospital ship. He sat on that boat off the coast of Vietnam for his entire 13 month tour. It was the daily/hourly parade of carnage that got to him. I guarantee you it's still not over for him and it will never be over for him.

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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:08 pm wrote: Donald also likes to act as if he knows better than everybody else on the planet.

Just sayin'.
If that was a "counter dig" of some nature aimed at me, I've never even pretended that's anywhere near true for myself.

I kinda emphasize my fallibility. I know what I know. Never even pretended that was close to everything. In fact, I often point out where I lack expertise.

Sometimes it seems it irks you if I know something about the history of psychiatry ... I do ... doesn't mean I'm planning on going into practice. :D

If that was aimed at Libby ... well ... that's between you and him.
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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:32 pm wrote: I guarantee you it's still not over for him and it will never be over for him.
Yeah, that's what I think Anthony Swofford (portrayed by Jake G in the film, based on his autobiography on which they based the film) meant.

However, he also talks about how what he also means is, inside all of us, there is a inner war between ... well, Lincoln called it, the angels of our better nature, vs. the dark side.

Whether or not we ever served in a in-theatre, military combat war, that's going on for everybody.

A different idiom for that universal struggle, I think, is that Cherokee story about the two wolves. I like that story.

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ProfessorX » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:59 am wrote:One of the things I really like about these genres is the way they remix culture.
Yeah there's always been this tension between the music industry, record company control of artists and Black musical artforms and artists in particular.

The former will always been a step behind the latter even though the former has a really nasty history of exploiting the latter. Genre-bending is one of the ways of resisting not just those structures and institutions but retaining creativity by expanding the artistic traditions. Commercialization has its benefits but also its drawbacks.

One thing we haven't really touched on is the Latin influence in country. I've been reading some about Victor/RCA in the Caribbean, which was in the region as early as 1904...same exploitative story as here :problet tons of history. There's a bunch of country in here.

National Jukebox - Library of Congress

I've been listening to other sections of this archive but might take a listen to their country section this weekend. It will be interesting in terms of genre to see what both Victor and this LOC project classifies as country.

Traditional/Country

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Here's a story. It's a story that illuminates the problem. I think I would like a country music, a "Nashville" that has more room for Margo Price.

Let me know when it's got room for her, I might be interested in listening more.

A country music artist navigates an art form altered by America’s poisoned politics
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Price’s career — her success and nearly a decade of struggles — is a testament to the way America’s poisonous politics are scrambling country music. Study after study has documented the widening social gulf that separates the major parties. Republicans and Democrats report increasing levels of animosity for those on the other side of the political divide, according to surveys. They have few close friends from the opposing political party. They watch different television shows.

Those same pressures are fracturing one of America’s most distinctive art forms, giving rise to separate musical genres aimed at liberal and conservative fans. “I’m just singing the truth,” Price said. “That’s what country music is supposed to be — three chords and the truth.” Increasingly, though, that truth is shaped by America’s political war.

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Price has appeared as the musical guest on liberal bastions such as “Saturday Night Live,” “The Daily Show” on Comedy Central and the three major late-night network talk shows. On Sunday she will learn whether she can add a best new artist Grammy to her accolades.

But she’s entirely absent from country music radio — still the major star maker for Nashville-based musicians who aspire to fill stadiums. And that has made Price all but invisible in certain quarters of the country, including some parts of her adopted hometown.

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Country music these days is dominated by men, who typically account for about 80 to 90 percent of Billboard’s top 40 country radio hits. Online the situation can be even worse. Spotify’s “Country Gold” playlist of 50 songs often doesn’t include even a single female artist.

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Price was offering a different view of America. She sang about sin and struggle and the sorts of misfits who never felt comfortable in football stadiums. “I’m an outcast, and I’m a stray / And I plan to stay that way,” she sang. Her songs were about small, depressed towns that people longed to escape. These were the very places country music expected her to celebrate.

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“I have never heard a Margo Price song that I thought was a mass appeal runaway hit,” said Nate Deaton, the general manager of a station in San Jose. Country hits often offered up a dose of nostalgia. “There’s a lot of people in big cities that came from small towns,” he said, “and there’s an awful lot of us that never lived in small towns, but nonetheless there’s an appealing nature to it.”

R.J. Curtis, the executive director of the Country Radio Broadcasters trade group, echoed that assessment. He was a fan of her music and had even attended one of her Nashville shows. “But programmers just don’t know what to do with her,” he said. “Man, we’re missing out.”

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Sixteen years later the Chicks are both a band and a verb. To be “Dixie-Chicked” is to be excommunicated from mainstream country music radio. The Chicks were the victims of a rally-around-the-flag backlash — they criticized the president on the eve of a major war.

These days the divide in country music has become more obviously partisan, reflecting the political division among its main supporters: white Americans. Mainstream country music has little patience for messages that fail to celebrate small-town America or tilt even remotely anti-Trump.

[snip]

Simpson had won a Grammy earlier that same year for best country album, but, like Price, was rejected by mainstream country music radio. A few years ago there was an expectation that stars such as Simpson and Price might bring a new sound and sensibility to country music.

Instead, they became their own subgenre and today are often classified as “Americana” artists, a subset of roots music aimed largely at liberals. Americana music isn’t always easily defined, but the Milk Carton Kids, who opened this year’s Americana awards show in Nashville, took a stab at it in a song:

[snip]

These days, Price said, she was eager for her own “mental sanity” to edge away from country music. “Sonically I want to do something different, and I want to reach more people. Country music was a good way to get my foot in the door, but . . . when you venture out of country music you have more freedom to say what you want, and country music radio isn’t doing me any favors.”

[snip][end]

Ya know, thanks Ike. Really. She's Americana. I've just listened to some of her stuff, and I like it. Is she in the Burns doc-series? Yeah, probably not, it ends in the 90s.

But I kinda sympathize with her ... seems she felt she had to leave country and its genre-confines in order to say what she wanted to say ... kinda like I refuse to listen to most country artists, other than those struggling with those confines set outta Nashville.

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ProfessorX » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:37 pm wrote:
Yeah, that's what I think Anthony Swofford (portrayed by Jake G in the film, based on his autobiography on which they based the film) meant.

However, he also talks about how what he also means is, inside all of us, there is a inner war between ... well, Lincoln called it, the angels of our better nature, vs. the dark side.

Whether or not we ever served in a in-theatre, military combat war, that's going on for everybody.

A different idiom for that universal struggle, I think, is that Cherokee story about the two wolves. I like that story.

https://medium.com/the-mission/there-ar ... 87494c17f9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Most of us don't have the trauma of combat layered on top of that "universal struggle." Many professionals who are of interested in the treatment of complex trauma however, are pretty invested in a theory. The theory that those of us who have the most severe PTSD generated by trauma experienced in our adult life, are those who suffered the worst treatment as children. Which just makes sense, I suppose.

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Ya know, I have no professional experience with the mental health field, as I've said.

I have also heard of theories, though. One I have is people dealing with issues of unresolved pain and suffering in their own lives sometimes lash out in pain and anger against others.

Sometimes people who don't want to admit they're emotionally wounded and vulnerable need to act all tough and macho to compensate.

Of course, it's just a theory.
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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:32 pm wrote:
Now you're just trying to make me cry.
You seem to have a persistent fantasy about yourself hurting RFL members’ feelings.

How come?

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carmenjonze » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:04 pm wrote:
You seem to have a persistent fantasy about yourself hurting RFL members’ feelings.

How come?
Ike is under totally uninformed opinion that there are members of this forum who are for what twisted fantasy he has, live in fear of him and believes he...Ike has an effect on our lives.

In case you did not know Carmen, he thinks he continues to put you in your place and all because he thinks he is only helping you.
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ProfessorX » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:17 pm wrote: Country music these days is dominated by men, who typically account for about 80 to 90 percent of Billboard’s top 40 country radio hits. Online the situation can be even worse. Spotify’s “Country Gold” playlist of 50 songs often doesn’t include even a single female artist.
Related:

After Ryan Adams allegations, will music industry finally face a #MeToo reckoning? - NBC News

Unlikely. But...
The industry response to recent allegations suggests tolerance for alleged bad behavior is growing thin.

"These record labels are finally waking up to the idea that it's not good business to be in proverbial bed with alleged serial abusers and sexual harassers," said Lola Ogunnaike, a culture critic and People TV anchor. "I also think the industry, unfortunately, is driven by the bottom line and the M-word: money, not morality."

Sony Music, a leading recording company, cut ties with R. Kelly after a six-part Lifetime documentary series brought renewed attention to his alleged pattern of sexual, emotional and physical abuse. Lady Gaga and Chance the Rapper apologized for collaborating with him. The singer has vehemently denied the allegations.

The release of Adams’ new album was reportedly canceled after The New York Times reported that seven women, including his ex-wife Mandy Moore, have accused him of emotional and verbal abuse that was in some cases tied to sexual overtures.

Adams, 44, and his attorney denied the allegations. "I am not a perfect man and I have made many mistakes," Adams said in a statement. "To anyone I have ever hurt, however unintentionally, I apologize deeply and unreservedly."
Also, R. Kelly is a predator.

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marindem01 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:39 pm wrote:
Ike is under totally uninformed opinion that there are members of this forum who are for what twisted fantasy he has, live in fear of him and believes he...Ike has an effect on our lives.
Lol, the greatest Oz has spoken, pay no attention to that dork behind the curtain.

In case you did not know Carmen, he thinks he continues to put you in your place and all because he thinks he is only helping you.
Authoritarian conservative males like him with these ridiculous, grandiose ideas about themselves are a dime a dozen, their culture mass-produces them. They've driven themselves right off the cliff, though, infuriated because their delusional beliefs about themselves stopped being the basis of American law, public policy, and culture, over a generation ago. #MAGA

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carmenjonze » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:57 pm wrote:
Authoritarian conservative males like him with grandiose ideas about themselves are a dime a dozen, their culture mass-produces them. They've driven themselves right off the cliff, though, angry because their delusional beliefs about themselves stopped being the basis of American law, public policy, and culture, over a generation ago. #MAGA
I heard one of the filthy cons SCREAMING "FAst & Furious" at one of my talk shows today to defend rump giving our country to our enemy

amazing
Excuse me while I use a BROAD BRUSH to say anyone who spends one minute defending anything rump is just as guilty as he is of all his crimes

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marindem01 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:39 pm wrote:
Ike is under totally uninformed opinion that there are members of this forum who are for what twisted fantasy he has, live in fear of him and believes he...Ike has an effect on our lives.

In case you did not know Carmen, he thinks he continues to put you in your place and all because he thinks he is only helping you.
Oh come on carmen. You dont really believe that I or anybody else has the capacity to "put you in your place" do ya?

You dont really think this is all about me trying "put you in your place" whatever this idiot might think that means.

You're not afraid of me, or anybody else hereabouts.

Or maybe you really agree with all this fucking nonsense. In which case you're not anywhere near as whip smart as I thought you were.

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ProfessorX » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:48 pm wrote:Ya know, I have no professional experience with the mental health field, as I've said.

I have also heard of theories, though. One I have is people dealing with issues of unresolved pain and suffering in their own lives sometimes lash out in pain and anger against others.

Sometimes people who don't want to admit they're emotionally wounded and vulnerable need to act all tough and macho to compensate.

Of course, it's just a theory.
Not a bad theory.

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Ike Bana » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:24 pm wrote:You dont really believe that I or anybody else has the capacity to "put you in your place" do ya?
You should have read my reply to marindem before asking this.
Or maybe you really agree with all this fucking nonsense. In which case you're not anywhere near as whip smart as I thought you were.
I don't care what eugenicists like you believe about my intelligence levels.

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Libertas » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:08 pm wrote: I heard one of the filthy cons SCREAMING "FAst & Furious" at one of my talk shows today to defend rump giving our country to our enemy

amazing
:lol: they're still on about that?

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is it safe to post in this thread?

no cons?

cons are traitors who have loyalty to putin and rump and by DEFINITION want me and my family gone or dead, so it is not safe to post around them
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carmenjonze » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:45 pm wrote:
:lol: they're still on about that?

:lol:
They are now comparing past contempt of congress to today to defend and ALLOW rump to commit treason and destroy all western democracies.



fyI , saw this at DU


this could be about ANY con including those on this board

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I went to Santa Monica High School and know all about this racist clown. He ran for student body president by making offensive racial slurs to my fellow student and created so much outrage they had to assign his own security. In high school. At the tax payers expense. He lost of course. He then acted out by trashing the school otchestra's musical instruments beyond repair. His parents couldn't pay for the damages so the school had to have a fundraiser. So it is no surprise we are seeing immigrant toddlers ripped from the parent and thrown into cages and shot up with psychotropic drugs. I don't care who you support in the primary. Whoever is nominated we cannot afford the same bs that happened in the last election. We must not only be on board but throwing every fiber of our being behind whoever the nominee ends up being. Out

You all have to excuse my excitability about these clown traitors. I called it TEN YEARS ago and everyone is just catching up with me so I am bothered by how slowly the rest of America comes around especially if you believe the poll that only half the country wants this piece of shit impeached
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Libertas » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:46 pm wrote: They are now comparing past contempt of congress to today to defend and ALLOW rump to commit treason and destroy all western democracies.



fyI , saw this at DU


this could be about ANY con including those on this board





You all have to excuse my excitability about these clown traitors. I called it TEN YEARS ago and everyone is just catching up with me so I am bothered by how slowly the rest of America comes around especially if you believe the poll that only half the country wants this piece of shit impeached
I think they excuse way too much of your hysterical bullshit posts.

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