Covid is Weird

[Glennfs]

It’s funny how you love to call black people racist, I guess it’s to justify white racism.

You don’t have to be a racist to be a white conservative, but you certainly have to be ready to accept or ignore racism within your movement. Also you have to accept misogyny and homophobia.

So says the woke community

[Drak]

So says the woke community

LOL.

It’s hilarious how you can’t think for yourself. You just constantly parrot RW propaganda and memes.

[gounion]

So says the woke community

Just another bullshit talking point.

But if you say "woke" means standing up for a woman's right to choose, and the rights of gays and trans people to be members of our society, call me woke.

But let's talk about what YOUR stances are. They certainly aren't "woke". They are about hate.

[Drak]

Saying or believing that all white conservatives are racist is as ignorant as any other stereotype.
All blacks are
All Mexicans are
Etc
The member we are talking about is as racist as any klan member. But, yhe wokeness of the liberals here won't allow them to admit the emperor has no clothes and those who did admit it were run off

Not sure what you’re whining and crying about. You guys openly vote for a party that stands against women, the gay community and minorities. Your own racist and bigoted posts have been pointed out many times. No point in lying about it.

[Motor City]

Michigan reports 9,687 new COVID-19 cases, 184 deaths over past week

Michigan now has a total of 3,017,948 cases and 41,185 deaths due to COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic, as of Tuesday. That includes both confirmed and probable cases.....

[bradman]

Brad,

I could make the same comment to the folks who threw themselves on the sword over forcing people to mask. I had and have no problem whatsoever with people deciding for themselves what measures they should take to protect themselves.

Masking was just the start. Closing or severely limiting the ability of “nonessential” businesses to operate. Not for a few weeks but months and months. When you do that to an economy, you are going to suffer consequences in supply chains. So if those are measures we take we should be damn sure they are absolutely necessary. I recall when things started opening up how all the experts predicted spikes in cases where thousands and thousands would die. But they didn’t. Life went on. We kept school age kids out of school for over a year. Healthy kids who weren’t at risk. We were told that sending them to school without masks would spike cases. But private schools opened all over the country. Successfully.

I’m all for thinking rational Brad. But it seems rational thinking to some people means just shutting up and doing what you are told without question. That’s not rational thinking or scientific thinking, it’s political thinking. We have scores of people who don’t know the difference.

Yeah, we had a nice quiet holiday. Saw lots of friends. Went to dinner. All good. Thanks for asking.

To mask, or not to mask, ay, there's the rub.........

i gave up on the mask battle last spring. It's not a battle worth fighting. Ya'all win. whoopee

In the mean time, a rational thinker would consider circuit breaker shut downs next time round.

[ZoWie]

This year is different, in that we have a stealth pandemic. Cases are up by a huge amount, something like 400% in places, according to what little data we get anymore, but they don't get reported for the official statistics. With self-testing at home a lot of people never call doctors, and don't get counted. This is said by most people in the know to be why much of the supposed decline that we keep reading about does not reflect what we see out in the real world.

It's still the #3 cause of death in the US. Death certificates still have the cause on them. No cryptodata here.

A lot of people in show business wish the public would mask up, because ticket sales are still way down for live entertainment. Maybe not so much for pop concerts, since that demographic considers themselves immortal anyway, but for plays and classical music, it's a disaster. We've spent quite a bit of the winter pitching events that ended up cutting shows, because they were losing too much money performing them on a union stage. Though admittedly the latest one, which cancelled its entire run, was because of a flood, not covid.

The papers are full of celebs who had to drop out of awards season shows because they got infected at the Golden Globes, which supposedly required masks, but where no one complied. Lots of wink-wink when you're bringing the star power, and of course anyone in camera range is inclined to go naked. A lot of people now wish they had kept their masks on. Too late.

Facts are nasty little things. They refuse to die even after humans try everything to kill them.

[gounion]

Brad,

I could make the same comment to the folks who threw themselves on the sword over forcing people to mask. I had and have no problem whatsoever with people deciding for themselves what measures they should take to protect themselves.

Masking was just the start. Closing or severely limiting the ability of “nonessential” businesses to operate. Not for a few weeks but months and months. When you do that to an economy, you are going to suffer consequences in supply chains. So if those are measures we take we should be damn sure they are absolutely necessary. I recall when things started opening up how all the experts predicted spikes in cases where thousands and thousands would die. But they didn’t. Life went on. We kept school age kids out of school for over a year. Healthy kids who weren’t at risk. We were told that sending them to school without masks would spike cases. But private schools opened all over the country. Successfully.

I’m all for thinking rational Brad. But it seems rational thinking to some people means just shutting up and doing what you are told without question. That’s not rational thinking or scientific thinking, it’s political thinking. We have scores of people who don’t know the difference.

Yeah, we had a nice quiet holiday. Saw lots of friends. Went to dinner. All good. Thanks for asking.

It's not rational at all to think that an accountant that can't even make a link on a message board and doesn't believe in the germ theory to think he knows more than the top infectious disease expert in the nation.

You aren't rational at all.

[JoeMemphis]

It's not rational at all to think that an accountant that can't even make a link on a message board and doesn't believe in the germ theory to think he knows more than the top infectious disease expert in the nation.

You aren't rational at all.

Who is the “top” infectious disease expert. I bet there are a few and I bet they don’t all agree. You pick one guy who says what you want to hear and cease to think and reason for yourself. You ignore all
else. You are as rational as a sheep.

[gounion]

Who is the “top” infectious disease expert. I bet there are a few and I bet they don’t all agree. You pick one guy who says what you want to hear and cease to think and reason for yourself. You ignore all
else. You are as rational as a sheep.

Anthony Fauci is the top expert of infectious disease in this country.

And you don't even believe in the germ theory. You're an idiot.

But you'll believe whatever Trump tells you to believe about COVID, won't you?

[JoeMemphis]

Anthony Fauci is the top expert of infectious disease in this country.

And you don't even believe in the germ theory. You're an idiot.

But you'll believe whatever Trump tells you to believe about COVID, won't you?

I believe in germ theory. I just don’t believe in taking unnecessary measures. I also don’t believe in blindly accepting the word of a “expert” who doesn’t like being questioned or dismisses those who dare to question as anti science. Fauci had a job. You promoted him to a god. But he’s a man and he isn’t the only infectious disease expert in the country. He isn’t always right. But worship him if you must. Please forgive the rest of us who choose not to drink the koolaide.

[gounion]

I believe in germ theory. I just don’t believe in taking unnecessary measures. I also don’t believe in blindly accepting the word of a “expert” who doesn’t like being questioned or dismisses those who dare to question as anti science. Fauci had a job. You promoted him to a god. But he’s a man and he isn’t the only infectious disease expert in the country. He isn’t always right. But worship him if you must. Please forgive the rest of us who choose not to drink the koolaide.

No, you don't. If you don't believe masks work to spread germs, then you don't believe in the germ theory.

No, he's not a god, I don't believe in gods. That's YOUR thing. He's an educated expert, and the top one in the nation. The only physicians that believe as you do are quacks.

[JoeMemphis]

No, you don't. If you don't believe masks work to spread germs, then you don't believe in the germ theory.

No, he's not a god, I don't believe in gods. That's YOUR thing. He's an educated expert, and the top one in the nation. The only physicians that believe as you do are quacks.

You are welcome to your opinion. Bhaaah.

[gounion]

You are welcome to your opinion. Bhaaah.

You still don't understand the difference between opinion and fact.

Germ theory isn't theory - it's fact. You deny facts.

[JoeMemphis]

You still don't understand the difference between opinion and fact.

Germ theory isn't theory - it's fact. You deny facts.

I got no problem with germ theory. I just don't agree with how you apply the theory or your opinion on how it works.

Lets start with something simple. You who claim YOU KNOW the difference between opinion and fact. You state quite emphatically that "Germ theory isn't theory - it's fact. You deny facts." Do you know the definition of word "theory".

Theory according to Webster:a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. Synonyms include words like hypothesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation.

So your statement that germ theory isn't theory but a fact is nothing more than your opinion on germ theory. The very name itself tells you it isn't a fact. Its more of a field of study of how germs behave and we all know that differs based on a number of variables. Thus the difference of opinion on the Covid virus among various "experts". Germ theory isn't math. It doesn't work that way.

So get back to me when you understand the difference between opinion and fact because you are clearly confused.

[bradman]

Hmm...odd that. i didn't know Fauci had the power to shut down just about every country in the whole wide world.

[JoeMemphis]

Hmm...odd that. i didn't know Fauci had the power to shut down just about every country in the whole wide world.

Well according to someone, he is the “leading expert”. He was given a lot of clout in this country. But he wasn’t the only “expert” in the field and other experts didn’t agree with him on everything including the efficacy of the masks people were wearing at the time. Personally I think listening to expert advice is a good thing. Sometimes hearing from more than one is even better. In the end though, people should take that all in consideration and make up their own minds. That’s not what happened in this country. State and local governments in many cases determined what was and was not acceptable. We are now figuring out the ramifications. We are also learning some of what we were told didn’t always pan out. Experts aren’t always right. Especially when it comes to things that only happen every hundred years or so.

[ZoWie]

What happened 100 years ago includes such behavior as large crowds marching in the street calling face masks a Bolshevik plot. We had a century to clean up our act, but the same depressing behavior happened all over again. They frickin shut down the capital of Canada for Chrissake. They hounded public health officials out of office. I do not consider this kill-the-messenger kneejerk response to be a positive thing. Human nature, perhaps, but not a positive thing.

I'm through arguing about masking, but I will always call out stupidity and reflexive denial when I see it. We did make some mistakes dealing with the unknown, but the fact remains that torches and pitchforks are a poor response to a microscopic virus. It's also been proven all over again that looking the other way in denial of the existence of a health threat is not a valid response. I haven't the slightest objection to people reacting with distrust if that's what they must do, but they should keep the rest of us out of it and not expect us to react the same way.

[gounion]

Well according to someone, he is the “leading expert”. He was given a lot of clout in this country. But he wasn’t the only “expert” in the field and other experts didn’t agree with him on everything including the efficacy of the masks people were wearing at the time. Personally I think listening to expert advice is a good thing. Sometimes hearing from more than one is even better. In the end though, people should take that all in consideration and make up their own minds. That’s not what happened in this country. State and local governments in many cases determined what was and was not acceptable. We are now figuring out the ramifications. We are also learning some of what we were told didn’t always pan out. Experts aren’t always right. Especially when it comes to things that only happen every hundred years or so.

Yeah, all that matters is keeping profits rolling who cares who dies.

Experts have more of a chance of being right than idiots like you with no education who doesn't believe in the germ theory.

[Glennfs]

Wife's twin sister was hospitalized yesterday with covid like symptoms
Local hospital is full and she has to go to a different hospital.
Covid has returned but since there is a Democrat in office our liberal press is ignoring it.

[gounion]

Wife's twin sister was hospitalized yesterday with covid like symptoms
Local hospital is full and she has to go to a different hospital.
Covid has returned but since there is a Democrat in office our liberal press is ignoring it.

Well, no, that's simply not true. It's other respiratory problems going on. In December my wife was in the Emergency Room of our largest hospital overnight, and spent it in a bed in the hallway. Note: She did not have COVID.

Nurses told us it was mostly flu and RSV. Reality check:

Even if this year's winter Covid-19 wave is not as large or severe as previous ones, hospitals will likely still be overwhelmed. Aside from Covid-19, hospitals are also grappling with surges of other respiratory viruses, including influenza and RSV.

According to a CNN analysis of HHS data, hospitals are currently fuller now than they have ever been during the pandemic. Over the past two weeks, the number of hospital beds in use nationwide has increased by 8 percentage points to over 80%.

Throughout the pandemic, hospitals have been more than 70% full most of the time, but they have only hit 80% capacity during the height of the omicron surge in January. At the time, around a quarter of hospital beds were filled by Covid-19 patients.

Now, Covid-19 patients only make up around 6% of hospital beds, while many of the other beds are taken up by patients hospitalized for other respiratory viruses, such as the flu or RSV among children.

For the week ending Dec. 3, 25,906 patients were hospitalized with the flu, and the cumulative hospitalization rate, which is currently at 26 per 100,000, is the highest it has been for this time period since the 2010-2011 flu season.

"The [hospital bed capacity] rates are higher because we are seeing patients with the flu in many parts of the country and that has brought a lot of older adults and some young children into the hospitals," said Nancy Foster, VP for quality and patient safety at the American Hospital Association. "Additionally, RSV is filling pediatric beds and cribs along with patients who are sicker now due to putting off care during Covid-19, which has required more intensive and complex care."

[JoeMemphis]

Yeah, all that matters is keeping profits rolling who cares who dies.

Experts have more of a chance of being right than idiots like you with no education who doesn't believe in the germ theory.

Depends on the expert.

[gounion]

Depends on the expert.

Yeah, like DeStantis is bringing in "experts" to lie about COVID in a Grand Jury Investigation in Florida.

There's your fake "experts".

[ZoWie]

The "liberal press" is hyping covid?

Damn, I miss those rofl smilies.

I mean really, the disconnect from reality here is so profound that all one can do is laugh.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/omicron-s ... officials/
https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-c ... d-policies

[JoeMemphis]

Yeah, like DeStantis is bringing in "experts" to lie about COVID in a Grand Jury Investigation in Florida.

There's your fake "experts".