Teamster Strike at UPS???

[Glennfs]

One more thing - you can bet that the Biden Administration, in some way, was in contact with both sides. Likely not Biden personally, but he probably had a good idea where both sides were all along. Again, UPS knew for sure whether there would be a strike or not, since they alone knew whether or not they’d be getting to where the Teamsters wanted them to get to avert the strike.

To me, this means the Teamsters didn’t demand anything that was unreasonable. Hell, air conditioning in the new trucks should have been pretty easy, since Amazon includes air conditioning in all their new trucks already. UNREASONABLE could have been putting AC in ALL trucks right away, as that would have been tough financially and logistically. So that tells me they were pushing hard, but not where it would hurt the company.

It’ll be interesting how the vote turns out, as they’ve had them all ready to strike, strike strike when you’d most want to strike, the hottest part of the summer, now they have to bring them in for a landing. If they’ve gotten what they promised they’d get, it should be fine.

If I remember correctly the last contract was voted down. Then ( former) union leadership used some hoo doo to force it on the members.

[gounion]

If I remember correctly the last contract was voted down. Then ( former) union leadership used some hoo doo to force it on the members.

They don’t use “hoo doo” (whatever the fuck THAT is), it’s a democratic organization. Not as democratic as some, and the Teamsters have ALWAYS had their corruption problems. And I’ve been in those situations where the committee recommends something, and the members say hell no. That means you weren’t listening to them, and you’ve got to do so. Happened in my union just a few days ago, and I was sooooooo happy I’m not doing that anymore! You know, my job was high-intensity, and often very stressful. I love that I have zero stress now and just enjoy life. It’s wonderful - I would have been in knots if I was handling one of those.

[Glennfs]

They don’t use “hoo doo” (whatever the fuck THAT is), it’s a democratic organization. Not as democratic as some, and the Teamsters have ALWAYS had their corruption problems. And I’ve been in those situations where the committee recommends something, and the members say hell no. That means you weren’t listening to them, and you’ve got to do so. Happened in my union just a few days ago, and I was sooooooo happy I’m not doing that anymore! You know, my job was high-intensity, and often very stressful. I love that I have zero stress now and just enjoy life. It’s wonderful - I would have been in knots if I was handling one of those.

https://labornotes.org/2018/10/updated- ... o-vote-ups

[gounion]

https://labornotes.org/2018/10/updated- ... o-vote-ups

And again, you didn't read any more of the link than the title. I'll tell you something about Labor Notes; it's basically a truly socialist organization that hates "business unionism" where the unions accept our corporate capitalist structure and works within it. The organization wants the unions to take control of the means of production.

If you want to believe Labor Notes' view of unionism, go ahead.

Many of the unions have rules in their Constitution that protects the workers, that the two-thirds rule is one of them. They require a two-thirds vote to strike, on the reality that a vote of only 54 percent to reject a contract and strike is a strike that is doomed to fail. A successful strike requires at least a two-thirds support to be successful. When it's in the Constitution for everyone to see, there's no "hoo doo" involved.

[Glennfs]

And again, you didn't read any more of the link than the title. I'll tell you something about Labor Notes; it's basically a truly socialist organization that hates "business unionism" where the unions accept our corporate capitalist structure and works within it. The organization wants the unions to take control of the means of production.

If you want to believe Labor Notes' view of unionism, go ahead.

Many of the unions have rules in their Constitution that protects the workers, that the two-thirds rule is one of them. They require a two-thirds vote to strike, on the reality that a vote of only 54 percent to reject a contract and strike is a strike that is doomed to fail. A successful strike requires at least a two-thirds support to be successful. When it's in the Constitution for everyone to see, there's no "hoo doo" involved.

Here is another link.https://www.tdu.org/ups_contract_chaos

[gounion]

Here is another link.https://www.tdu.org/ups_contract_chaos

Again, I'm pointing out the reality. TDU was a bunch of folks that didn't like the corrupt leadership of the union; but the reality was that you can't win a strike with only 54 percent willing to strike.

You just hate unions so much you'll listen to REAL socialists!

[Glennfs]

Again, I'm pointing out the reality. TDU was a bunch of folks that didn't like the corrupt leadership of the union; but the reality was that you can't win a strike with only 54 percent willing to strike.

You just hate unions so much you'll listen to REAL socialists!

What a coincidence that Hoffa decided to step down after that. An even bigger coincidence is an anti Hoffa candidate replaced him.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/business ... index.html

[gounion]

What a coincidence that Hoffa decided to step down after that. An even bigger coincidence is an anti Hoffa candidate replaced him.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/business ... index.html

Yeah, Hoffa was corrupt, no doubt. I've had past dealings with the Teamsters, and they were quite corrupt.

I get the feeling that the union has cleaned up quite a bit. They certainly handled this round of negotiations in a professional manner, with the best interests of the members instead of sweetheart deals to line their own pockets.

That's the difference between us, Glenn. I can admit when a union like the Teamsters has been corrupt, but you hate us so much, you'll support Donald Trump while pretending you don't.

[Glennfs]

Yeah, Hoffa was corrupt, no doubt. I've had past dealings with the Teamsters, and they were quite corrupt.

I get the feeling that the union has cleaned up quite a bit. They certainly handled this round of negotiations in a professional manner, with the best interests of the members instead of sweetheart deals to line their own pockets.

That's the difference between us, Glenn. I can admit when a union like the Teamsters has been corrupt, but you hate us so much, you'll support Donald Trump while pretending you don't.

Once again break glass and scream Trump

[gounion]

Once again break glass and scream Trump

Yep, and you scream "Biden has dementia!" Go Trump!

[Glennfs]

Yep, and you scream "Biden has dementia!" Go Trump!

How original as you once again break the glass.
The reason you and other leftist do that is to avoid talking about uncomfortable subjects.
For example and discussion about race that is uncomfortable you cry racist.
Gay issues yell homophobic.

It has proven to be a very successful
technique done in the past by subversive groups to hide or mask their agenda.

In this case anything truthful said about Biden and his declining mental state is first met with lies then then when that fails go to talking points then when that fails yell Trump.

[gounion]

How original as you once again break the glass.
The reason you and other leftist do that is to avoid talking about uncomfortable subjects.
For example and discussion about race that is uncomfortable you cry racist.
Gay issues yell homophobic.

It has proven to be a very successful
technique done in the past by subversive groups to hide or mask their agenda.

In this case anything truthful said about Biden and his declining mental state is first met with lies then then when that fails go to talking points then when that fails yell Trump.

It’s not truthful. You’ve been proven wrong time and again.

You used to say you were for gay rights. Now you’re 100% against them. But say a word against Trump and you’re right here to defend him.

[gounion]

Teamsters ratify UPS deal by 86%, which the union says is the biggest margin in contract history. It’s hard to get that kind of vote. I’ve been involved with bigger, but not very often. Had one with just under a thousand people that accepted by 100%, but that was after a long lockout in which the company completely caved and gave the workers every demand, plus a big raise.