It's hard to find good candidates, eh?

[gounion]

are you seriously defending boys hurting girls?

No, I'm seriously calling you on your bullshit. Reality check: https://www.hrc.org/resources/get-the-f ... y-athletes

I note you have ran away from several of my questions.

[gounion]

Transgender and ACTUAL science: https://www.psychologicalscience.org/ob ... lourishing

[lucytalk]

No, I'm seriously calling you on your bullshit. Reality check: https://www.hrc.org/resources/get-the-f ... y-athletes

I note you have ran away from several of my questions.

i run away from none but refuse to get sucked into your inane questions

what part of boys are stronger than girls is mystifying you? if you let a boy play volleyball against a girl in a competitive league, girls will (and have already) get hurt. and hurt badly.

[ProfX]

you understand science is science is science. a man will never be a women.

As usual, these conversations erase intersex people, which exist ....

if you have all the surgeries in the world you won't get your period, you won't become pregnant, etc. after you die and in 100 years they dig you up, science will still know you were a male.

But gender lives in your brain, lucy, not your body parts. And gosh honest, I don't know the biological answer for why some people's gender identity doesn't match what other people see them as. I do know trans people exist, some of them are my students, and none of them asked to be what they are, they just are. I do know recent research shows some brain differences between trans and cis gender people.

I don't know what makes people trans. I do know they are not just "playing pretend". Nor are they a threat to anybody.

[gounion]

i run away from none but refuse to get sucked into your inane questions

what part of boys are stronger than girls is mystifying you? if you let a boy play volleyball against a girl in a competitive league, girls will (and have already) get hurt. and hurt badly.

Bullshit. It’s an HONEST reasonable question. You run away. You’ve already told us that you would ORDER where people go to the bathroom.

Not all boys are stronger than girls. That’s simply not true.

[lucytalk]

As usual, these conversations erase intersex people, which exist ....



But gender lives in your brain, lucy, not your body parts. And gosh honest, I don't know the biological answer for why some people's gender identity doesn't match what other people see them as. I do know trans people exist, some of them are my students, and none of them asked to be what they are, they just are. I do know recent research shows some brain differences between trans and cis gender people.

I don't know what makes people trans. I do know they are not just "playing pretend". Nor are they a threat to anybody.

i guess i'm trying to say that some things need to be based on sex not gender.

i get people think they are the opposite gender and i really am okay with it. but their sex is their sex and there is no changing it.

for the record i said dylan m was pretending and i stand by that.

[lucytalk]

Bullshit. It’s an HONEST reasonable question. You run away. You’ve already told us that you would ORDER where people go to the bathroom.

Not all boys are stronger than girls. That’s simply not true.

my god do you make sense in your own mind?

[gounion]

my god do you make sense in your own mind?

I deal in facts, not bigotry.

You sound just like those in the sixties who said science said that people of different races shouldn’t marry.

Or that gays shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

[lucytalk]

I deal in facts, not bigotry.

You sound just like those in the sixties who said science said that people of different races shouldn’t marry.

Or that gays shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

not even close to reality

[gounion]

not even close to reality

No, YOU’RE the one in full, hateful bigotry not based in reality.

[lucytalk]

No, YOU’RE the one in full, hateful bigotry not based in reality.

and you are good with boys injuring girls

[gounion]

and you are good with boys injuring girls

Nope, people get hurt in sports. Are YOU good with boys hurting boys?

What a stupid fucking line of reasoning.

You know, you haven’t given ONE argument here all night except for “because I said so”.

[JoeMemphis]

and you are good with boys injuring girls

I tend to believe the women actually on the other side of the net instead of some couch potato. Personally I enjoy watching women’s sports. It is worthy of protection and those female athlete have rights just like everyone else. Their rights are secondary to none.

[lucytalk]

Nope, people get hurt in sports. Are YOU good with boys hurting boys?

What a stupid fucking line of reasoning.

You know, you haven’t given ONE argument here all night except for “because I said so”.

again, boys are stronger than girls. that is why we have boys teams and girls teams

if that is a stupid fucking line of reasoning than well i have to question your stupid fucking line of reasoning.

[lucytalk]

I tend to believe the women actually on the other side of the net instead of some couch potato. Personally I enjoy watching women’s sports. It is worthy of protection and those female athlete have rights just like everyone else. Their rights are secondary to none.

i'm a huge tennis fanatic. do you know both serena and venus williams both got terribly beat by the 204 rank mens tennis player on the same day.

i know only kinda relevant but interesting

[gounion]

again, boys are stronger than girls. that is why we have boys teams and girls teams

if that is a stupid fucking line of reasoning than well i have to question your stupid fucking line of reasoning.

SOME boys are stronger than SOME girls. There are LOTS of men that Serena Williams can beat the pants off of, so not ALL boys are stronger than ALL girls. Let's just remember that Billie Jean King BEAT Bobby Riggs.

Used to be, women weren't allowed to play sports AT ALL. They're always told what they can't do. Not all buy the bullshit.

You're saying the same thing as those who say the SATs prove that blacks are less intelligent than whites.

But you're playing the "girl victim" card whining that we aren't treating you like a lady, I guess, even though we have not disrespected or attacked your gender in any way, so this will be the last post I make to you. I'm done. You get the last word.

[JoeMemphis]

i'm a huge tennis fanatic. do you know both serena and venus williams both got terribly beat by the 204 rank mens tennis player on the same day.

i know only kinda relevant but interesting

I’ve been watching a lot of women’s softball and volleyball. I work with a lady who played college volleyball. Tall, extremely competitive and very athletic. She is a hitter. She will tell you there is a big difference standing across the net from a man playing at that level. She would also tell you she wouldn’t feel comfortable with a trans male in the locker room. There is a certain esprit de corps between team members. That’s part of the reason those women play and sacrifice for their sport. That is their right. That needs to be protected. I haven’t heard a good argument why they should be asked to sacrifice their rights.

I can understand and empathize with the trans kid who wants to play and who wants to fit it. But Lucy is right. We separate sports based on biological sex. There is a difference. Forcing only women’s sports to compromise or sacrifice their rights and standards doesn’t seem fair to biological females nor do I think it helps the cause of the transgendered.

It’s not about hate. It’s just possible that reasonable people can empathize with both sides of this dispute. People can choose to ignore or dismiss the legitimate concerns and feelings of biological females as hate if they choose. That’s easy I suppose. Simple minded. But that doesn’t mean those concerns go away.

[lucytalk]

SOME boys are stronger than SOME girls. There are LOTS of men that Serena Williams can beat the pants off of, so not ALL boys are stronger than ALL girls. Let's just remember that Billie Jean King BEAT Bobby Riggs.

Used to be, women weren't allowed to play sports AT ALL. They're always told what they can't do. Not all buy the bullshit.

You're saying the same thing as those who say the SATs prove that blacks are less intelligent than whites.

But you're playing the "girl victim" card whining that we aren't treating you like a lady, I guess, even though we have not disrespected or attacked your gender in any way, so this will be the last post I make to you. I'm done. You get the last word.

are you for real?

you argument boils down to it is okay for boys to injure girls and what girls should take it because before girls weren't even allowed to play sports.

billie was like 23 and bobby was in his 50's. bobby in his prime would have won easily.

so glad you are done with me cause your arguments are ridiculous.

[lucytalk]

I’ve been watching a lot of women’s softball and volleyball. I work with a lady who played college volleyball. Tall, extremely competitive and very athletic. She is a hitter. She will tell you there is a big difference standing across the net from a man playing at that level. She would also tell you she wouldn’t feel comfortable with a trans male in the locker room. There is a certain esprit de corps between team members. That’s part of the reason those women play and sacrifice for their sport. That is their right. That needs to be protected. I haven’t heard a good argument why they should be asked to sacrifice their rights.

I can understand and empathize with the trans kid who wants to play and who wants to fit it. But Lucy is right. We separate sports based on biological sex. There is a difference. Forcing only women’s sports to compromise or sacrifice their rights and standards doesn’t seem fair to biological females nor do I think it helps the cause of the transgendered.

It’s not about hate. It’s just possible that reasonable people can empathize with both sides of this dispute. People can choose to ignore or dismiss the legitimate concerns and feelings of biological females as hate if they choose. That’s easy I suppose. Simple minded. But that doesn’t mean those concerns go away.

we are losing scholarships, trophies, money. we are being raped in prison, we are allowing girls to be seriously injured and worst of all doctors are only too happy in perform surgeries on children that should not be legally allowed on children.

even the gays are standing up to this transgender problem.

[JoeMemphis]

we are losing scholarships, trophies, money. we are being raped in prison, we are allowing girls to be seriously injured and worst of all doctors are only too happy in perform surgeries on children that should not be legally allowed on children.

even the gays are standing up to this transgender problem.

I think there is middle ground on these issues that do not infringe on the rights and opportunities for women athletes.

I am of the opinion that parents need to have the final say in the health care decisions of their minor children. So I wouldn’t want someone to prescribe puberty blockers without parental consent nor do I think it proper for someone to prevent parents from seeking such therapy for a child with gender dysphoria. I do have a concern about life altering surgeries prior to 18 years of age but I am no expert and I would hope the parents make a fully informed educated decision.

[bradman]

i'm a huge tennis fanatic. do you know both serena and venus williams both got terribly beat by the 204 rank mens tennis player on the same day.

i know only kinda relevant but interesting

And yet Billie Jean King kicked what's his names ass.

[Glennfs]

And yet Billie Jean King kicked what's his names ass.

Bobby Riggs was 55 years old
Billie Jean King 29 years old

[bradman]

Bobby Riggs was 55 years old
Billie Jean King 29 years old

But he was bellicose Man. Cut from the same cloth most men are.

Given a few more decades and all Riggs would have to brag about was that he could write his name in the snow and King couldn't.

[Glennfs]

No, YOU’RE the one in full, hateful bigotry not based in reality.

What is not based in reality is people like you who don't realize or just plain refuse to admit that males are stronger than females.

That a male to female athlete would dominate in every sport except gymnastics

The Williams sisters got smoked by a guy not even ranked in the top 200.

Our women's soccer team lost to a team of high school boys by something like 6 to 1

Chris Evert when ranked number 1 in the world couldn't beat her unranked brother.

Renee Richards was ranked something like 25th in the world when in her 40s.

As president Kennedy said life can't always be fair. When it comes to sports you have a Sophie's choice. Be unfair to females or trans females.

Why is it when it comes to every political issues you on the left throw common sense out the door.

[Glennfs]

But he was bellicose Man. Cut from the same clothe most men are.

Given a few more decades and all Riggs would have to brag about was that he could write his name in the snow and King couldn't.

No doubt Riggs was a hustler and an asshole.
But King defeating Riggs has nothing to do with the reality of today. Letting trans male to female play women's sports is unfair to the women