Next Democratic Party Leader

[Glennfs]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Good article and it seems that Hakeem Jeffferies is the current leader in the clubhouse to replace Pelosi.

Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic

It appears that Jefferies has that same level on knowledge and intelligence. Of course the problem he will encounter is members of the squad along with others on the extreme left want it all or nothing and do not have the knowledge or intelligence to be pragmatic.

Before anyone starts whataboutery yes the exact same thing is true of the extreme right. Anyway the next 2 to 6 years is going to be very interesting to watch as most of the democratic party congressional leadership is replaced.

On the GOP side not as much as other than McConnell's replacement the rest are pretty much known.

[gounion]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Good article and it seems that Hakeem Jeffferies is the current leader in the clubhouse to replace Pelosi.

Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic

It appears that Jefferies has that same level on knowledge and intelligence. Of course the problem he will encounter is members of the squad along with others on the extreme left want it all or nothing and do not have the knowledge or intelligence to be pragmatic.

Before anyone starts whataboutery yes the exact same thing is true of the extreme right. Anyway the next 2 to 6 years is going to be very interesting to watch as most of the democratic party congressional leadership is replaced.

On the GOP side not as much as other than McConnell's replacement the rest are pretty much known.

You have nothing but your imagination as to the politics of Pelosi. No proof at all.

But hey Lindsey Graham is in thrall to Putin and is trying to overthrow our nation and give it to Russia.

See how that works? You can dream anything up and call it “fact”.

[Libertas]

You have nothing but your imagination as to the politics of Pelosi. No proof at all.

But hey Lindsey Graham is in thrall to Putin and is trying to overthrow our nation and give it to Russia.

See how that works? You can dream anything up and call it “fact”.

I say NEVER let these cons forget that they support politicians who have sided with Putin over America, time after time.

T R A I T O R S

and this is why I wont talk to them, ever.

[ProfX]

In 2016, Republican then-House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said to GOP colleagues, right before Trump clenched the nomination: "I think there's two people Putin pays - Trump and (Dana) Rohrbacher".

That was Kevin McCarthy - not me, Lib, Drak, or any liberal or Democrat - saying that.

Look, y'all know I tend to be dismissive of CTs. What I am not dismissive of is the serious and credible work of the Mueller Report, the Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, and others. In the former case, I can say Bill Barr misrepresented what's in it - because I read it - at least the publicly available portions.

I still don't know what the Putin-Trump relationship was. Pee tape? Who knows WTF. This is what I do know: Trump met with Putin several times, and no records or transcripts of those meetings were ever made or produced.

Ya know why his son-in-law Jared had trouble getting a security clearance. He ADMITTED he set up a secret "backchannel" to the Russians before the election. This is all in the PUBLIC RECORD.

I don't think you have to be Alex Jones to have your spider sense triggered. Just my 2c.

[Glennfs]

You have nothing but your imagination as to the politics of Pelosi. No proof at all.

But hey Lindsey Graham is in thrall to Putin and is trying to overthrow our nation and give it to Russia.

See how that works? You can dream anything up and call it “fact”.

Off topic but I was actually complimenting Pelosi for her knowledge and intelligence as well political acumen

[Glennfs]

In 2016, Republican then-House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said to GOP colleagues, right before Trump clenched the nomination: "I think there's two people Putin pays - Trump and (Dana) Rohrbacher".

That was Kevin McCarthy - not me, Lib, Drak, or any liberal or Democrat - saying that.

Look, y'all know I tend to be dismissive of CTs. What I am not dismissive of is the serious and credible work of the Mueller Report, the Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, and others. In the former case, I can say Bill Barr misrepresented what's in it - because I read it - at least the publicly available portions.

I still don't know what the Putin-Trump relationship was. Pee tape? Who knows WTF. This is what I do know: Trump met with Putin several times, and no records or transcripts of those meetings were ever made or produced.

Ya know why his son-in-law Jared had trouble getting a security clearance. He ADMITTED he set up a secret "backchannel" to the Russians before the election. This is all in the PUBLIC RECORD.

I don't think you have to be Alex Jones to have your spider sense triggered. Just my 2c.

When it comes to Trump-Putin I don't think there is any actual relationship. I personally believe that Putin is a KGB trained expert in espionage and manipulation and Trump is am idiot.
So Putin can manipulate Trump into doing just about anything. All the while making Trump believe it was his [Trump's] idea and the he [Trump] is actually manipulating Putin.

[gounion]

Off topic

OH? Don't play that shit. From your post:

Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic

[Glennfs]

OH? Don't play that shit. From your post:

I went back and added to my comment. Sorry about the snarky off topic comment.

[gounion]

Off topic but I was actually complimenting Pelosi for her knowledge and intelligence as well political acumen

No you weren't complementing her. You were insulting her. You have no proof at all that she's anything but what she's always shown herself to be. She came from a political family with some money, and her dad was a congressman from Maryland and the Mayor of Baltimore. Her brother was also Mayor of Baltimore. She's been part of the party her whole life.

It's your attempt at an insult - as you say all of us board members are socialists, communists and racists.

It's also your attempt to paint her as so far left she's un-American.

So don't try to get that cheese by me, Meat. You know it's bullshit.

[ProfX]

When it comes to Trump-Putin I don't think there is any actual relationship.

Other than the documented evidence that Trump discussed with him setting up a Trump Tower in Moscow, and even offered him a penthouse in the tower to sweeten the deal.

Please don't take my word for it. This is all in the public record, not just dodgy dossiers.

I tend to go for simplest explanations. It has always looked to me that Trump kisses dictator(ial) ass for two reasons: and this would include Erdogan ... he admires those people and wants to be like them; and secondly, he wants to make sure current or future business opportunities in those countries remain viable for him.

Anything else is speculation. But I would start there.

And yes, I agree with you, when Vladimir was in the KGB, he SPECIALIZED in "asset management," so that is a skillset he kept with him; aka how to play people like Trump (but not just him) like a harp. I don't think either him or Kim are geniuses, but they quickly realized the key to getting the Don to do what you want is flattery. And that he's a truly crappy negotiator, but you can mostly get your way by complimenting how good he is at doing it.

He most definitely was a very useful idiot.

[Drak]

One just needs to revisit the Helsinki talks to understand there’s a definite relationship between Trump and Putin. Or the fact Trump’s foreign policy was totally in Russia’s interest. Attacks on NATO, American allies etc. Or the constant praise of Putin while attacking ally world leaders. Or inviting Russian spies into the WH thinking it’s a secret, then bragging to said spies about getting the Special Investigator off your back regarding the collusion investigation. Or handing American military bases over to Russia after betraying the Kurds. The constant comm contact with Putin. The fact that the Trump family has business ties to Russia and has had for decades. All this stuff is easy to look up and research.

Saying you don’t think so rests outside of blatant facts.

[Glennfs]

One just needs to revisit the Helsinki talks to understand there’s a definite relationship between Trump and Putin. Or the fact Trump’s foreign policy was totally in Russia’s interest. Attacks on NATO, American allies etc. Or the constant praise of Putin while attacking ally world leaders. Or inviting Russian spies into the WH thinking it’s a secret, then bragging to said spies about getting the Special Investigator off your back regarding the collusion investigation. Or handing American military bases over to Russia after betraying the Kurds. The constant comm contact with Putin. The fact that the Trump family has business ties to Russia and has had for decades. All this stuff is easy to look up and research.

Saying you don’t think so rests outside of blatant facts.

So what is your opinion in regards to the people who will be replacing Pelosi probably after the midterms and Schumer probably after the next general election.

[gounion]

So what is your opinion in regards to the people who will be replacing Pelosi probably after the midterms and Schumer probably after the next general election.

My opinion is none of them will put Donald Trump before the country. They will not support someone that wants to overthrow duly elected candidates.

[Libertas]

My opinion is none of them will put Donald Trump before the country. They will not support someone that wants to overthrow duly elected candidates.

By DEFAULT democrats put workers first, unions, work safety, clean air and water because average people are where they get their donations, or much of them.

By DEFAULT repubs never put workers first and always look out only for the wealthy, because the wealthy are who make donations to them.

A Democrat (with rare exceptions) cant continue in office if they dont put people first.

[Drak]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Good article and it seems that Hakeem Jeffferies is the current leader in the clubhouse to replace Pelosi.

Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic

It appears that Jefferies has that same level on knowledge and intelligence. Of course the problem he will encounter is members of the squad along with others on the extreme left want it all or nothing and do not have the knowledge or intelligence to be pragmatic.

Before anyone starts whataboutery yes the exact same thing is true of the extreme right. Anyway the next 2 to 6 years is going to be very interesting to watch as most of the democratic party congressional leadership is replaced.

False. Your entire party is extreme, and embraces violence and the destruction of democracy. They don't want free and fair elections, and most of them were in on a coup. That's a fact. It's not at all the same.

You should be concerned with the GOP and what they're doing, not Nancy Pelosi.

[ZoWie]

People are what matters.

Covid is about people.

Confront covid, actively, 24/7. Make it existential for the US, even if it isn't. (Right now it could go either way.)

Whoever does that best has the best chance to be the next Democratic Party leader.

[marindem01]

On Monday 3 January 2021 Glennfs wrote: Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic.

At no time did Glenn post any proof to back up this assertion. "Personally I believe that Pelosi is just to far to left". Proof Glenn, what proof do you have. Congressoman Ocasio-Cortez is a solid Progressive, I strongly support her. Pelosi is worried about her legacy. She in her last term as Speaker, I've spoken with leadership of DCCC-SF and they have confirmed this. She dithered to long on Impeaching the Traitor. Her inaction on Impeachment caused much dissension with her cacus was strong.

AOC has challenged Speaker Pelosi on numerous occasions, she and other progressive members made it clear to the speaker that she had to listent to them on legislation. For years Pelosi and Democratic House Leadership took Progessive support for granted. They wanted our shoe leather and our money, but damn made sure when the rubber hit the road that Progresssive not did not a seat at the table, the door was locked to them.

Pelosi is NOT, "To Far To The Left", she never.........REPEAT..........NEVER brings any legislation to the floor unless she knows she has the votes. When you consider the number Boehner failed to pass legislation because he could even count on the votes from his own members.

Pelosi never moved to Impeach Bush43, even after gross violations of the 4th. Amendment ("The People Shall Be Secure In Their Persons, Houses, Papers and Effects".) The Patriot Act gave broad search powers to government, including emails and website activity of Americans, that was passed by the Republican Congress and signed into law a Republican President. Mr. Obama did not vote it, but as President Republicans managed him to blame for it. Pelsoi, as Minority opposed that bill.

Pelsoi oppsed removng children from their parents arms at gun point. Not very far left, but very much respecting a Mother's Love and Human Rights.

YOU post YOUR PROOF of Speaker Pelosi being "To Far Left', but so you haven't. Mainly because you cannot prove it. NO....Using "San Francisco Values" as talking point won't work.

[ZoWie]

On Monday 3 January 2021 Glennfs wrote: Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic.

At no time did Glenn post any proof to back up this assertion. "Personally I believe that Pelosi is just to far to left". Proof Glenn, what proof do you have. Congressoman Ocasio-Cortez is a solid Progressive, I strongly support her. Pelosi is worried about her legacy. She in her term as Speaker, I've spoken with leadership of DCCC-SF and they have confirmed this. She dithered to long on Impeaching the Traitor. Her inaction on Impeachment caused much disention

I have nothing against AOC or The Squad, though of course the right wing and the corporate media will continue to demonize them. The fact that they scare corporations is one reason to support them right there. America is supposed to be for people. As I noted somewhere else, corporations are not people.

The Democratic Party is more relevant than it thinks it is. It just has to stop trying to win with Republican Lite. Voters will simply opt for the full strength version. Offer an alternative that works.

Pelosi is on the way out for sure, especially if the Democrats don't own covid soon and they lose the House as a result. We all get old. I'd love to drive race cars, but I'm just too old. We all live with the realities.

[JoeMemphis]

On Monday 3 January 2021 Glennfs wrote: Personally I believe that Pelosi is just as far to the left as AOC. With one major difference. Pelosi is intelligent enough to know to get things done you have to be pragmatic.

At no time did Glenn post any proof to back up this assertion. "Personally I believe that Pelosi is just to far to left". Proof Glenn, what proof do you have. Congressoman Ocasio-Cortez is a solid Progressive, I strongly support her. Pelosi is worried about her legacy. She in her term as Speaker, I've spoken with leadership of DCCC-SF and they have confirmed this. She dithered to long on Impeaching the Traitor. Her inaction on Impeachment caused much disention

When someone makes a statement using “Personally I believe” I read what follows as a personal opinion. I don’t think he claimed it was to be taken as an assertion of facts that he would need to support. But that’s just my opinion. We’re all entitled to an opinion aren’t we?

[gounion]

When someone makes a statement using “Personally I believe” I read what follows as a personal opinion. I don’t think he claimed it was to be taken as an assertion of facts that he would need to support. But that’s just my opinion. We’re all entitled to an opinion aren’t we?

It's that kinda like how you said my employer got rid of me because of poor performance?

Also known as slander?

[marindem01]

When someone makes a statement using “Personally I believe” I read what follows as a personal opinion. I don’t think he claimed it was to be taken as an assertion of facts that he would need to support. But that’s just my opinion. We’re all entitled to an opinion aren’t we?

Failing to post substantiation of that "Personal" belief means nothing. Glenn made a statement without the proof to back it up.

Yes, Glenn is entitled to his own opinion, but he NOT entitled to his own facts. Facts do not support the opinion, and in Glenn's case he faled to post any proof to support that Opinion. Opinions are based on facts.

[Libertas]

"Far to the left" to cons means:

equal rights
clean air
clean water
animals deserve to live and not be killed while they are sleeping or hibernating
rich people should pay taxes

etc

[Glennfs]

"Far to the left" to cons means:

equal rights
clean air
clean water
animals deserve to live and not be killed while they are sleeping or hibernating
rich people should pay taxes

etc

Things we already have in other words

[gounion]

Things we already have in other words

…only because of liberals.

And no, we don’t have equal rights yet. Not by a long shot.

[JoeMemphis]

Failing to post substantiation of that "Personal" belief means nothing. Glenn made a statement without the proof to back it up.

Yes, Glenn is entitled to his own opinion, but he NOT entitled to his own facts. Facts do not support the opinion, and in Glenn's case he faled to post any proof to support that Opinion. Opinions are based on facts.

Opinions aren’t always based on facts. Sometimes they are. Further opinions on facts don’t always mean the opinion is true. Opinions are judgements. I don’t believe you substantiate all your opinions with factual support. Most people here don’t always support their opinions in that fashion including me. At least not from what I’ve seen.

I don’t take an opinion as a statement of fact. Sometimes I agree. Sometimes I don’t.