It's hard to find good candidates, eh?

[gounion]

Personally I have never and will never vote for Trump.
If the democratic candidate is Biden or Harris I plan on voting for a third party candidate. To help them get to matching funds.

But you will ALWAYS run to Trump's defense.

[Glennfs]

But you will ALWAYS run to Trump's defense.

Not true except in the land of low information voters.

[Number6]

Your point is taken however there are folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well.

So who knows? I was certain Trump couldn’t get elected in 2016 and we all know how that turned out.

The best thing for the country would be for both of these men to head for the locker room and let other candidates run for office. It doesn’t look promising at the moment.

I see you're taking a tactic from TFG's playbook when he says "some people are saying" and your turn it into " there are folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well." Your statement, like TFG's, make it appear there are millions of and millions of people who agree with you. If that's so then who are these "folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well."

[Glennfs]

I see you're taking a tactic from TFG's playbook when he says "some people are saying" and your turn it into " there are folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well." Your statement, like TFG's, make it appear there are millions of and millions of people who agree with you. If that's so then who are these "folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well."

Would it be correct to say that many people who voted for Biden wish he wouldn't run again

[gounion]

Would it be correct to say that many people who voted for Biden wish he wouldn't run again

Yes. But it would also be true that most of those same people are happy with the job he's done.

They are HAPPY Donald Trump isn't President. They want him instead of any Republican in the race.

[lucytalk]

Yes. But it would also be true that most of those same people are happy with the job he's done.

They are HAPPY Donald Trump isn't President. They want him instead of any Republican in the race.

how is it that 2 very old white men are the only frontrunners? biden is in serious decline and i am not sure how anyone is unable to see it? and in a year and a half from now it will be undeniable.

if biden runs with harris, a republican will be elected.

[Number6]

Would it be correct to say that many people who voted for Biden wish he wouldn't run again

How many is "many?" Again, like Joe's statement, this is an ambiguous claim. It's just the opinion of one person.

[ZoWie]

I'd love a more charismatic candidate with qualifications and a proven track record, but problem is that there aren't any. At least with Biden vs drumpf, we know how both would perform as POTUS.

I'll take the guy with the infrastructure program and the climate awareness over the one who wants to rally a bunch of neofascists to hand the whole country over to the wealthy 0.5% so they can hire more security guards for their yachts and private islands, while the rest of the planet sinks into chaos.

[gounion]

how is it that 2 very old white men are the only frontrunners? biden is in serious decline and i am not sure how anyone is unable to see it? and in a year and a half from now it will be undeniable.

if biden runs with harris, a republican will be elected.

Our conservatives don't think so. That's why they want Biden out so damned bad.

[JoeMemphis]

I see you're taking a tactic from TFG's playbook when he says "some people are saying" and your turn it into " there are folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well." Your statement, like TFG's, make it appear there are millions of and millions of people who agree with you. If that's so then who are these "folks who voted for Biden that are having second thoughts as well."

I dunno six. I don’t have a crystal ball. I read polls just like everyone else.

[gounion]

Not true except in the land of low information voters.

VERY true and we all see it.

When you have to end a post with "this is NOT defending Trump' it's obvious that... you are defending Trump.

[lucytalk]

How many is "many?" Again, like Joe's statement, this is an ambiguous claim. It's just the opinion of one person.

from forbes

"Most Democrats Don’t Want Biden To Run Again, Poll Finds—But They’ll Probably Vote For Him Anyway"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 4754ce7e0d

[gounion]

from forbes

"Most Democrats Don’t Want Biden To Run Again, Poll Finds—But They’ll Probably Vote For Him Anyway"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 4754ce7e0d

81 percent will vote for him. His age is really the ONLY problem most dems have with Biden.

Tell me, Lucy, if it's Trump v. Biden, who will you vote for?

[ZoWie]

Ronald Ray Gun was incoherent for his whole second term, and people thought it was cute. Gotta love old Ronnie.

UCLA, which he defunded, named its new medical center for him.

In a system obviously lacking any attention span for substance, this seems to be the best we can do.

For me, it only shows that arguments citing Biden's age are politically motivated.

[JoeMemphis]

How many is "many?" Again, like Joe's statement, this is an ambiguous claim. It's just the opinion of one person.

You are right. Like many posts it’s opinion. Discussion boards often involve personal opinions. You need stats on that? Maybe a study?

[gounion]

For me, it only shows that arguments citing Biden's age are politically motivated.

OF COURSE. When confronted with McConnell's podium "event", Glenn would only say that maybe Mitch shouldn't run for re-election - in four more years.

It's just political, hell, Glenn always voted to re-elect Strom Thurmond. And if they had the 80-year-old President, they would all be saying age doesn't matter.

[lucytalk]

81 percent will vote for him. His age is really the ONLY problem most dems have with Biden.

Tell me, Lucy, if it's Trump v. Biden, who will you vote for?

you remember i am canadian right?

i suspect in a year and a half from now i'd have to write in a name of someone i like but not on the ballet because joe is going to decline so much by then imo and harris is a hard no.

and yes i get by default that is just like voting for trump but both of our county's must do better in candidates imo.

[ZoWie]

You are right. Like many posts it’s opinion. Discussion boards often involve personal opinions. You need stats on that? Maybe a study?

No, I would rather fund a study on the causes of this year's weather. Get some hard science going on this before it's too late.

As for BBS's being personal opinions, well, yeah. God is not appearing from a Burning Bush handing universal truth to prophets.

[Libertas]

If you wanna know how we got trump, you can see it here. Regardless of where someone is voting, the attitude i refer to is bringing fascism to the whole world.

sigh

[JoeMemphis]

No, I would rather fund a study on the causes of this year's weather. Get some hard science going on this before it's too late.

As for BBS's being personal opinions, well, yeah. God is not appearing from a Burning Bush handing universal truth to prophets.

Good to know. I don’t know how I would deal with a bona fide burning bush moment. At my age it might not turn out so well.

[gounion]

you remember i am canadian right?

i suspect in a year and a half from now i'd have to write in a name of someone i like but not on the ballet because joe is going to decline so much by then imo and harris is a hard no.

and yes i get by default that is just like voting for trump but both of our county's must do better in candidates imo.

My apologies, I forgot. In my defense, I slept since then.

Problem in the US is that a sane person would never put his family through running for President. Look, Obama was the most “normal” person to be President since, well, maybe Carter. But look at the things the right said about him, about his wife, even his kids.

No man I know would want his wife put through the wringer like she was. I learned a long time ago that I was uninterested in elected office.

As for throwing my vote away, nope, I’ll never do that.

[ProfX]

Well, I would have been alright if he stepped aside and let Harris be the nominee. She's younger, and not an old white guy. But that doesn't seem to do anything for us. Her approval numbers are lower than his. I have no idea why. Unlike HRC, she doesn't even have a private email server.

It'd be pretty unusual for someone else to step away from a 2nd term. Last time it happened was with LBJ, and that didn't work out for us, either. Sure, would I prefer Newsom or Whitmer to be the nominee? Yes. And I'd also prefer that the local diner hand out Key Lime Pie for 5 cents a slice, but it's not going to happen.

Until someone other than a MB'er with an opinion has a genuine assessment of his cognitive decline from an actual medical diagnosis, personally, I'm fine with him running again. Henry Kissinger is 100 years old, and they're sending him to China rather than an old age home (of course, some folks say he belongs in prison, but I digress). I *do* think it's time for Dianne F. to step down, but she insists she's gonna serve out her term.

P.S. I remain a huge Justin Trudeau fan.

[bradman]

Make mine banana cream.

i have a fairly decent idea why some dislike Harris so. i can just never get them to admit it.

[bradman]

I tend to agree with Lucy. Harris really hasn’t done much to distinguish herself. She really needs a good communications director. Maybe she has those skills. She hasn’t really shown them while in her current position.

I have to believe there are other folks out there for team Dem that are more capable and who have better communication skills.

According to some people none of them are worth a shit anymore.

Hard to believe. The women have fought harder, longer, and have always been the last to be taken seriously. It's a shame wouldn't you say?

[JoeMemphis]

According to some people none of them are worth a shit anymore.

Hard to believe. The women have fought harder, longer, and have always been the last to be taken seriously. It's a shame wouldn't you say?

I have no problem taking serious people seriously. It shouldn’t be about sex. It should be about performance. It’s an important job so I’m not about to look the other way because it’s politically correct. She’s had more than one opportunity to distinguish herself and yet she has lower approval ratings than Biden and Trump. So IMO she has squandered the opportunity. That’s the shame of things.