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sam lefthand wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:14 pm I'm sorry to hear that Bradman.

My mom had a CT scan scare last month. She went in for a scan and after waiting a long time, just before it was her turn they diagnosed someone with Covid using the CT machine to do that.

That meant the machine was contaminated so they sent her home until the next day because they had to decontaminate the room and the CT machine.
On top of it Sam, Mom was finally diagnosed with Nosocomephobia after her heart operation some 6 months ago. All those years of dealing with a sweet little old lady turned Mr. Hyde was finally given a name by an observant doctor. It's now part of her medical file. That, and and her affection for opioids. She almost disowned me for bringing that one to the doctors attention.

The only real reason i mentioned our trip to Urgent Care, and then the Emergency Room, was because of what i'd been told by those that would write the overloaded health system, do to covid, to be B.S.. First hand accounts they said they had. Whole wings of hospital beds that were never used they insisted. Now having witnessed the latest surge and actually being there........i call Bullshit......We are being slammed here.
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:00 am I wonder if you could get her checked by an outpatient surgery center.
That's the word i was looking for. Outpatient.

The earliest i could schedule was a phone appointment for Monday morning. Hopefully that will lead to an imaging clinic outside the hospital, and an appointment with a outpatient knee specialist. In the mean time Allina scheduling is trying to contact the Urgent Care doctor in hopes he'll order the CT scan. That way we could be able to skip one step and speed up the CT scan. Not really holding out hope for that one though.
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bradman wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:23 am i call Bullshit......We are being slammed here.
I feel you. When my Mom was in the hospital last year, her last time being treated for cancer, they had such an overflow of COVID patients, they were keeping some in a big tent on the front of the property.

COVID never got her, but as I said, lung cancer finally did. Thank you, tobacco companies.

I hope yours gets the luck mine didn't.

Mine never had any cognitive issues toward the end -- Pop did. Yeah, it is such a hard thing dealing with that, losing the person you knew, before you actually lose the person. Towards the end, my stepmom's mum was accusing other people in the family of sneaking into her room and stealing her clothes or secretly plotting against her ... it was sad.
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Swiss Back Government On COVID Pass As Cases Surge.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59380745.

More than 60% opposed moves to remove some restrictions, including the Covid vaccination pass.

Sunday's referendum came after organizers said the pass was an unnecessary restriction of freedoms.

With just under two-thirds of the population fully vaccinated, the Swiss have one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe.

Now, Covid-19 infections are rising exponentially, with case numbers up by 40-50% each week.

From the start of the pandemic the Swiss government has performed a tricky balancing act, trying to introduce measures to control the spread of COVID while still staying true to Switzerland's system of direct democracy, in which the government has little formal power and the people have the final say.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... e-covid-19

Dallas Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy tests positive for COVID-19, DC Dan Quinn to serve as interim
And of course the article doesnt mention the only important part, was he vaccinated?
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Libertas wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:20 pm https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... e-covid-19




And of course the article doesnt mention the only important part, was he vaccinated?
I googled and had the answer in 30 seconds, he and his entire staff have been fully vaccinated. His is a breakthrough infection.

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So the new variant it shows us something that while we witness governments around the world place restrictions on individuals for not being vaccinated and for travel and work and shopping and being in public, we don't see the same kind of pressure on nations for things like hoarding vaccines, vaccine manufacturers for hoarding vaccine formula, and turning a blind eye to poorer countries who's people remain unvaccinated. why is there only pressures and restrictions only on individuals and not on nations and pharmecuetical companies?
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Motor City wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:15 pm So the new variant it shows us something that while we witness governments around the world place restrictions on individuals for not being vaccinated and for travel and work and shopping and being in public, we don't see the same kind of pressure on nations for things like hoarding vaccines, vaccine manufacturers for hoarding vaccine formula, and turning a blind eye to poorer countries who's people remain unvaccinated. why is there only pressures and restrictions only on individuals and not on nations and pharmecuetical companies?
I think the Biden admin knows that if ONE American gets the "Omicron variant" that the media, not just rightwing, and near half the country will blame him if he had not put on the travel restriction.

America is beyond broken because of cons and those that excuse them. The ban is wrong.

Oh, they will blame him anyway.
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The Omicron variant appears to have mild symptoms.
Dr. Angelique Coetzee, a private practitioner and chair of South African Medical Association, told Reuters that on Nov. 18 she noticed seven patients at her clinic who had symptoms different from the dominant Delta variant, albeit "very mild".

Her experience so far has been that the variant is affecting people who are 40 or younger. Almost half of the patients with Omicron symptoms that she treated were not vaccinated.

"The most predominant clinical complaint is severe fatigue for one or two days. With them, the headache and the body aches and pain."
Reuters
Although the symptoms may be mild, we still don't know how dangerous this variant is. So until the experts can determine how serous this variant is we need to continue on with masking, social distancing, and general hygiene precautions.
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Libertas wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:49 pm I think the Biden admin knows that if ONE American gets the "Omicron variant" that the media, not just rightwing, and near half the country will blame him if he had not put on the travel restriction.

America is beyond broken because of cons and those that excuse them. The ban is wrong.

Oh, they will blame him anyway.
Im just saying to the degree that all the nations ignore the poorer countries and hoard the vaccine formulas and vaccines, is the degree to which covid will flourish and transmute into variants.

For some reason only pressure is against individuals but individuals cant fill the void created worldwide by governmental and pharmaceutical inaction to poorer and unvaccinated countries.

A moment Biden could step up but only if wealth and corporate powers importance is lesser a consideration than the well being of the poorer countries afflicted by this sickness.
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San Diego reports 401 COVID cases, 10 deaths as county monitors Omicron variant

SAN DIEGO (CNS) — San Diego County public health officials Monday reported 401 new COVID-19 infections and 10 deaths, as the state prepares for the Omicron variant.

The Omicron variant has now been detected in Canada after first being identified in South Africa and then in Europe.

https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus ... on-variant
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Japan confirms first omicron case

Japan confirmed its first case of the COVID-19 omicron variant on Tuesday, according to The Associated Press.

The infection was found in a Namibian diplomat in his 30s who recently entered Japan, the AP noted. The diplomat, who tested positive for COVID-19 when he landed at Tokyo Narita Airport Sunday, is receiving care at a hospital.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... icron-case
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ap215 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:08 am San Diego reports 401 COVID cases, 10 deaths as county monitors Omicron variant

SAN DIEGO (CNS) — San Diego County public health officials Monday reported 401 new COVID-19 infections and 10 deaths, as the state prepares for the Omicron variant.

The Omicron variant has now been detected in Canada after first being identified in South Africa and then in Europe.

https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus ... on-variant
It would be informative if they'd also report the number of people infected who were and weren't vaccinated.
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I just looked how to say Omicron in English. It's aa muh kraan

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It's harder to say in Greek, Yosemite Sam will help you with that:

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First US omicron case detected in California

The U.S. has detected the nation's first case of the omicron variant of the coronavirus in California, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Wednesday.

The individual is a fully vaccinated San Francisco resident who returned from South Africa on November 22, the CDC said. The person had mild symptoms that are improving and is self-quarantining.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... california
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ap215 wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:45 pm First US omicron case detected in California

The U.S. has detected the nation's first case of the omicron variant of the coronavirus in California, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Wednesday.

The individual is a fully vaccinated San Francisco resident who returned from South Africa on November 22, the CDC said. The person had mild symptoms that are improving and is self-quarantining.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... california
I figured we'd be hearing about this today.

:(

I wonder if they'll lift the air travel embargo now that it has been shown to be too late. Closing the barn doors after the horses have escaped so to speak. They ought to, it will do nothing to help us and might even harm US.

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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:08 pm I figured we'd be hearing about this today.

:(

I wonder if they'll lift the air travel embargo now that it has been shown to be too late. Closing the barn doors after the horses have escaped so to speak. They ought to, it will do nothing to help us and might even harm US.

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They probably won't lift the travel ban from South Africa and its nearby countries. Even though there is a case in California and probably a couple more around the country, limiting the number of people coming in from there will delay, hopefully, Omicron from becoming the next COVID wave.
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It takes time to identify new variants. Travel bans are useless because by the time variants are found, they've had plenty of time to spread worldwide. The only thing that would work is to permanently halt international travel, or at least strictly enforce long quarantines for everyone. People would still sneak in, so that wouldn't be a guaranteed solution either.

By the time someone's sick, they've been spreading it for a week. That makes domestic lockdowns ineffective unless they're immediate, permanent, and total. Since that would cause the collapse of civilization, that's not going to happen either.

Vaccine immunity decreases dramatically over time. Boosters will be needed, and new shots will have to be developed for variants as they evade the old ones. This is why there's a new flu shot every year. Here the cycle may be less than a year, because it doesn't seem as seasonal as the flu. It takes a couple of months to get a new vaccine ready and approved, then it has to be distributed. I can't imagine that we could ever get on top of the situation with vaccines alone.

The only thing left is masking, distancing, being careful, and trying to talk people out of doing superspreaders. Some people will take care of themselves. Some won't.

What's for sure is that covid is here to stay, forever, so people need to stop waiting for a miracle in the future and make appropriate adaptations now, so that we can all have lives again.
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The spread is facilitated by ignorant, racist MAGA who by the TENS of millions wont get the vax because of something uttered by the proven dumbest human being alive.

It BOGGLES the mind. And you dont have to go far to find these MAGA, you dont have to leave the board, really...
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Libertas wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:58 pm The spread is facilitated by ignorant, racist MAGA who by the TENS of millions wont get the vax because of something uttered by the proven dumbest human being alive.

It BOGGLES the mind. And you dont have to go far to find these MAGA, you dont have to leave the board, really...
The MAGA-in-chief aka the "dumbest human" got the vaccine later, and I believe that at one point he even said it was a good idea to do so. His followers simply ignore that fact. They're not big on facts.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:28 pm They probably won't lift the travel ban from South Africa and its nearby countries. Even though there is a case in California and probably a couple more around the country, limiting the number of people coming in from there will delay, hopefully, Omicron from becoming the next COVID wave.
I would think there are already thousands of cases spread across the US. I would think by the end of the week a third of our states will have reported at least one case.

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The horses got out of the barn,,, past tense.
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The horse leaves the barn months before anyone knows it. Reacting to new variants as if they emerged yesterday does not work. It's weeks to get a mutation out and spreading, weeks more to get a case number that makes detection likely, weeks after that for someone to get around to checking the genome, and months after that to get effective measures in place. That's why travel bans won't work unless they are total and permanent, then backed up by weeks of quarantine at sites dedicated to the purpose. None of this is going to happen.

We need new ideas, and better compliance with the existing ones that can be implemented all the time at the lowest levels.
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https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2021/12 ... -and-other

Watch Kimmel defend Fauci...you cons really are the worst humans on earth ALL of you
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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That is where we are, a talk show host has to DEFEND one of the greatest men who ever lived in science. :twisted:
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Maybe this belongs in covid idiot thread, but I'm still cutting my own hair. It's not the best plan in the world. Made another attempt this morning and had to get my wife to help out. I really need to go to a hair place but I'm still pretty weary of doing that.
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Libertas wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:49 pm I think the Biden admin knows that if ONE American gets the "Omicron variant" that the media, not just rightwing, and near half the country will blame him if he had not put on the travel restriction.

America is beyond broken because of cons and those that excuse them. The ban is wrong.

Oh, they will blame him anyway.
Yeah, it's happened, by now. So I guess I can stop boasting about my city's handling of the pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/02/us/omicron-san-francisco-california.html - NYT
As with most things, there’s an element of randomness here. If we think back to the spring of 2020, an early coronavirus outbreak at a Seattle nursing home signaled terrible luck — not that the city was the most infected in the nation.

It’s most likely a similar situation in San Francisco. The city is one of the most vaccinated places in the country — with 77 percent of residents fully immunized against Covid-19 — so it’s not particularly susceptible to coronavirus outbreaks.

But its popularity with global travelers does make it vulnerable to contagion imported from elsewhere.

On Tuesday, before the Bay Area case was identified, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, announced expanded Omicron screening at San Francisco International Airport, calling it one “of the busiest international airports in the country.”

Indeed, the San Franciscan infected with Omicron had returned from a trip to South Africa on Nov. 22. The patient’s symptoms began three days later.

That set off a rapid chain of events. The infected person, who is between the ages of 18 and 49, was tested on Sunday and got a positive result on Monday. In less than 24 hours, scientists at the University of California, San Francisco, had determined that it was Omicron.

Newsom chalked up the diagnosis to California having “the most robust testing program and protocols in the nation” as well as strong collaborations with major academic centers such as U.C.S.F.
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