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could have done, has drawn together a world community against Putin that has to have that prick's head swirling and spinning.

WOW what a leader!

I know we have a thread for the war but this needs to be said as often as possible.
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The usual suspects are still trumpeting Biden's "weakness," and I would imagine that the usual dupes will believe it.

I don't believe it for a second. He seems to have put together the kind of response to Russian kleptocracy that we've needed for a generation now. He's scared Putin into threatening to go nuclear, even though nothing in the MAD theory is any less valid than it ever was.
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So, interpret these numbers as you wish, but all I can tell you is this remains a deeply divided country.

What is driving those low approval numbers?

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/10829798 ... poll-finds

80% of Democrats do not consider his first year a failure. However, 91% of Republicans do.

79% of Democrats approve of his job performance. Just 6% of Republicans do.

And yes, they are also low among independents.

Look, I can only speak for me. Is he the greatest president evah? Nah. But I really don't think he's doing a bad job.

Yes, inflation is high, but it's not clear that's either his fault or something he can fix alone.

When it comes to other economic numbers, - most indicators are pretty good we are in a strong recovery.
When it comes to COVID-19 ... look ... cases are decreasing all over the U.S. and many mandates are being lifted. This is where we wanted to be, right? And while I think there were mis-steps, I would say at least he took and handled the problem seriously, unlike TFG.
I agree with Carmen that I'm not totally simpatico with how he's handling immigration issues, but meanwhile the idiots at CPAC are still talking about finishing the wall.

And yes, he is showing strong leadership in rallying the free world against the despot in the Kremlin.

I don't get it. Doing a perfect job? Maybe not. Everything has to be considered against the alternative.

If Rick Scott's Project to Crush America and the bullcrap coming out of CPAC and AFPAC represents the alternative, I sure as heck know what I'm supporting in 2022 and 2024.
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ProfX wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:14 pm So, interpret these numbers as you wish, but all I can tell you is this remains a deeply divided country.

What is driving those low approval numbers?

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/10829798 ... poll-finds

80% of Democrats do not consider his first year a failure. However, 91% of Republicans do.

79% of Democrats approve of his job performance. Just 6% of Republicans do.

And yes, they are also low among independents.

Look, I can only speak for me. Is he the greatest president evah? Nah. But I really don't think he's doing a bad job.

Yes, inflation is high, but it's not clear that's either his fault or something he can fix alone.

When it comes to other economic numbers, - most indicators are pretty good we are in a strong recovery.
When it comes to COVID-19 ... look ... cases are decreasing all over the U.S. and many mandates are being lifted. This is where we wanted to be, right? And while I think there were mis-steps, I would say at least he took and handled the problem seriously, unlike TFG.
I agree with Carmen that I'm not totally simpatico with how he's handling immigration issues, but meanwhile the idiots at CPAC are still talking about finishing the wall.

And yes, he is showing strong leadership in rallying the free world against the despot in the Kremlin.

I don't get it. Doing a perfect job? Maybe not. Everything has to be considered against the alternative.

If Rick Scott's Project to Crush America and the bullcrap coming out of CPAC and AFPAC represents the alternative, I sure as heck know what I'm supporting in 2022 and 2024.
I guess when putin's employee trump was in power they didnt know how they could invade and at the same time have USA be pro Russia. It would have been messy, so maybe that is why they didnt do it then.

I second guessed Biden in the last few days to myself, wondering if he was doing enough, he was. Dont ask me about Garland, very worried he wont do what he needs to do with the traitors but Biden is doing AMAZING!
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ProfX wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:14 pm So, interpret these numbers as you wish, but all I can tell you is this remains a deeply divided country.

What is driving those low approval numbers?

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/10829798 ... poll-finds

80% of Democrats do not consider his first year a failure. However, 91% of Republicans do.

79% of Democrats approve of his job performance. Just 6% of Republicans do.

And yes, they are also low among independents.

Look, I can only speak for me. Is he the greatest president evah? Nah. But I really don't think he's doing a bad job.

Yes, inflation is high, but it's not clear that's either his fault or something he can fix alone.

When it comes to other economic numbers, - most indicators are pretty good we are in a strong recovery.
When it comes to COVID-19 ... look ... cases are decreasing all over the U.S. and many mandates are being lifted. This is where we wanted to be, right? And while I think there were mis-steps, I would say at least he took and handled the problem seriously, unlike TFG.
I agree with Carmen that I'm not totally simpatico with how he's handling immigration issues, but meanwhile the idiots at CPAC are still talking about finishing the wall.

And yes, he is showing strong leadership in rallying the free world against the despot in the Kremlin.

I don't get it. Doing a perfect job? Maybe not. Everything has to be considered against the alternative.

If Rick Scott's Project to Crush America and the bullcrap coming out of CPAC and AFPAC represents the alternative, I sure as heck know what I'm supporting in 2022 and 2024.
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Libertas wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:22 pm I guess when putin's employee trump was in power they didnt know how they could invade and at the same time have USA be pro Russia. It would have been messy, so maybe that is why they didnt do it then.

I second guessed Biden in the last few days to myself, wondering if he was doing enough, he was. Dont ask me about Garland, very worried he wont do what he needs to do with the traitors but Biden is doing AMAZING!
Crimea during Obama
Ukraine during Biden

Somehow it is Republicans fault?
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Do you agree with Rick Scott that the border wall should be named after Donald Trump?
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:27 pm Crimea during Obama
Ukraine during Biden

Somehow it is Republicans fault?
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:28 pm Do you agree with Rick Scott that the border wall should be named after Donald Trump?
No not at all.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:32 pmNo not at all.
But you DO believe the wall should be built, right?
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That repeats something I just said.

[from the above]
The Post-ABC poll found that 55% of respondents disapproved of Biden’s performance, with 44% strongly disapproving. Partisan divides were evident, with 86% of Republicans and 61% of independents disapproving while 77% of Democrats approved of Biden’s performance in 13 months in office.
[end]

Now I get it. I'm the blindly partisan one, but please explain to me what he must be punished for? Is inflation his fault? Do you have any evidence for that?
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ProfX wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:35 pm That repeats something I just said.

[from the above]
The Post-ABC poll found that 55% of respondents disapproved of Biden’s performance, with 44% strongly disapproving. Partisan divides were evident, with 86% of Republicans and 61% of independents disapproving while 77% of Democrats approved of Biden’s performance in 13 months in office.
[end]

Now I get it. I'm the blindly partisan one, but please explain to me what he must be punished for? Is inflation his fault? Do you have any evidence for that?
I can tell you right now, Glenn believes EVERYTHING BAD is the Democrats fault. He says Trump did things wrong, he just can't tell you what they are.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:27 pm Crimea during Obama
Ukraine during Biden

Somehow it is Republicans fault?
Which party PUT THIS IN ITS PLATFORM IN 2016. Hint; Not Democrats.

2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support

Which party put military aid to Ukraine on hold?

Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/78534973 ... r-scrutiny

Ya know, call me crazy, but yes, if I were putting blame for a problem, I would look at everything a party did over the last 5 years to undermine aid and assistance to a besieged country.

Also, BTW, ...
a) Russia may see it differently, but most of the world considers Crimea part of Ukraine, so this is just a continuation.
b) Russia invaded (Soviet) Georgia/Ossetia in 2008 when ... GEORGE W. BUSH was POTUS.
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gounion wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:37 pm I can tell you right now, Glenn believes EVERYTHING BAD is the Democrats fault. He says Trump did things wrong, he just can't tell you what they are.
Wrong again and as usual. I simply oppose the far left wing agenda of the democratic party.
What you are doing is self projecting. As you only vote for one party regardless of the issues or qualifications
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:45 pm Wrong again and as usual. I simply oppose the far left wing agenda of the democratic party.
What you are doing is self projecting. As you only vote for one party regardless of the issues or qualifications
You say Biden is a disaster. You can say you don't like Trump, you don't support Trump, but you always defend everything he does. You believe everything he says.
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The ONLY negative economic number is inflation which was brought on by corps greed and the need to send money to people during the pandemic.

Every other marker economic and international diplomacy, Biden is fantastic. No wonder con says he hates him.

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ProfX wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:35 pm That repeats something I just said.

[from the above]
The Post-ABC poll found that 55% of respondents disapproved of Biden’s performance, with 44% strongly disapproving. Partisan divides were evident, with 86% of Republicans and 61% of independents disapproving while 77% of Democrats approved of Biden’s performance in 13 months in office.
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Now I get it. I'm the blindly partisan one, but please explain to me what he must be punished for? Is inflation his fault? Do you have any evidence for that?
I would say yes inflation is his fault because to solve it is an issue of justice and biden is not willing to support or seek justice when it benefits regular folks over the business authority folks. And this willingness to stand with the unjust is his weakness across the board. It causes bubbles like this to form.
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So, I know this is not the narrative anybody wants to hear, but there is a global pandemic, which is not over (ask Hong Kong), it's affected global supply chains (and I'm not even getting into other factors like trucker blockades and wars) including for labor, and it truly has been causing inflation all over the world.

Inflation isn’t just a US thing
Supply chains are screwing with prices for a lot of the world.
https://www.vox.com/2021/11/24/22799217 ... germany-uk

There are similar rates of global inflation right now in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. This is a global problem, and the cause is known: the pandemic.

The reality is, in a global economy, national economies are kind of more of a fiction than we really want to admit, but I don't think however much you might want to, you can blame Biden for inflation all over the planet.

It's really also not just because corporations in the U.S. are greedy. They are, but it's not just because, either. Biden, unlike Trump's golden statue, has no magic wand, and he can't just wave it to make global supply chain issues disappear.
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ProfX wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:40 am So, I know this is not the narrative anybody wants to hear, but there is a global pandemic, which is not over (ask Hong Kong), it's affected global supply chains (and I'm not even getting into other factors like trucker blockades and wars) including for labor, and it truly has been causing inflation all over the world.

Inflation isn’t just a US thing
Supply chains are screwing with prices for a lot of the world.
https://www.vox.com/2021/11/24/22799217 ... germany-uk

There are similar rates of global inflation right now in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. This is a global problem, and the cause is known: the pandemic.

The reality is, in a global economy, national economies are kind of more of a fiction than we really want to admit, but I don't think however much you might want to, you can blame Biden for inflation all over the planet.

It's really also not just because corporations in the U.S. are greedy. They are, but it's not just because, either. Biden, unlike Trump's golden statue, has no magic wand, and he can't just wave it to make global supply chain issues disappear.
its ridgity narrowmindedness and a love of austerity. Self-induced labor shortages and supply chain issues for profit are not justification for huge price increases its racketeering.

just no end to the crazy schemes they keep coming up with to keep it going

Pilot program to allow drivers as young as 18 drive semi trucks across state lines

https://trucksafety.org/tsc-comment-on- ... ker-pilot/



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Interesting piece from Brookings.




“Not so fast.

Whatever the results of the Mueller investigation, the Special Counsel’s bombshell indictment last week erased any doubts about the reality of Russian interference in the U.S. elections. This attack deserves a strong and decisive response. And beyond that, much still needs to be done to shore up our vulnerabilities ahead of the upcoming midterm elections. American citizens of all political persuasions ought to be concerned that their president, focused on preserving his own electoral legitimacy, has appeared largely complacent in the face of such brazen provocations. The fact that Trump, as candidate and then as president, has consistently heaped praised on Russian President Vladimir Putin is peculiar, to say the least.”

“ Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime.
But not everything is relative; we should not slip into collective amnesia over the Obama administration’s weak and underwhelming response to Russian aggression. Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime. His foreign policy was firmly grounded in the premise that Russia was not a national security threat to the United States. In 2012, Obama disparaged Mitt Romney for exaggerating the Russian threat—“the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years,” Obama quipped. This breezy attitude prevailed even as Russia annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, intervened in Syria, and hacked the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Obama’s response during these critical moments was cautious at best, and deeply misguided at worst. Even the imposition of sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine was accompanied by so much propitiation and restraint elsewhere that it didn’t deter Russia from subsequent aggression, including the risky 2016 influence operation in the United States. Obama, confident that history was on America’s side, for the duration of his time in office underestimated the damaging impact Russia could achieve through asymmetric means.”

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... on-russia/
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:42 pm Interesting piece from Brookings.




“Not so fast.

Whatever the results of the Mueller investigation, the Special Counsel’s bombshell indictment last week erased any doubts about the reality of Russian interference in the U.S. elections. This attack deserves a strong and decisive response. And beyond that, much still needs to be done to shore up our vulnerabilities ahead of the upcoming midterm elections. American citizens of all political persuasions ought to be concerned that their president, focused on preserving his own electoral legitimacy, has appeared largely complacent in the face of such brazen provocations. The fact that Trump, as candidate and then as president, has consistently heaped praised on Russian President Vladimir Putin is peculiar, to say the least.”

“ Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime.
But not everything is relative; we should not slip into collective amnesia over the Obama administration’s weak and underwhelming response to Russian aggression. Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime. His foreign policy was firmly grounded in the premise that Russia was not a national security threat to the United States. In 2012, Obama disparaged Mitt Romney for exaggerating the Russian threat—“the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years,” Obama quipped. This breezy attitude prevailed even as Russia annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, intervened in Syria, and hacked the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Obama’s response during these critical moments was cautious at best, and deeply misguided at worst. Even the imposition of sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine was accompanied by so much propitiation and restraint elsewhere that it didn’t deter Russia from subsequent aggression, including the risky 2016 influence operation in the United States. Obama, confident that history was on America’s side, for the duration of his time in office underestimated the damaging impact Russia could achieve through asymmetric means.”

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... on-russia/
And let's just remember that GW Bush was blind to the threat of terrorism, and was caught flat-footed with 9/11.

I think it was Trump who gave Putin all the help he needed. Hell, Trump tried to dismantle NATO. The better argument to be made is if Hillary had won in 2016, if Putin hadn't interfered in the election, that this wouldn't have happened. Putin had four years of collusion with Trump.
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:lol:

Today in But Obama...
Bludogdem wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:42 pm Interesting piece from Brookings.

...


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... on-russia/
Don’t rehabilitate Obama on Russia

...

Benjamin Haddad and Alina Polyakova
Benjamin Haddad is a Hudson Institute/Koch propagandist.

This other person is CEO of CEPA. These are CEPA's stated warmongering, bomb-building supporters.

https://cepa.org/about/our-supporters/

:problem: better source, pls.
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