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Just a "riot?" No planning or coordination?

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Then explain why Bannon said this the DAY BEFORE


https://news.yahoo.com/heres-what-we-kn ... 19169.html

It’s clear Bannon knew that something significant and chaotic was going to happen on Jan. 6. “All hell is going to break loose tomorrow,” he said on his podcast the day before the insurrection.
Stop supporting treason and insurrection, assholes.
“So many people said, ‘Man, if I was in a revolution, I would be in Washington.’ Well, this is your time in history,” Bannon said on his podcast, “War Room.”
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Libertas wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:20 pm Then explain why Bannon said this the DAY BEFORE


https://news.yahoo.com/heres-what-we-kn ... 19169.html




Stop supporting treason and insurrection, assholes.
Conservative whites have always made it a priority to downplay their violent lawlessness.

All of them.

That's why the dimwits around here like JoeMemphis and Glennfs are so eager to dismiss a literal Confederate attack on this country's capitol as a "riot," and actually be so stupid to compare a murderous insurrection to nonstarters like a change.org petition. viewtopic.php?p=11718#p11718

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What is the 1st Amendment Praetorian, the obscure far-right group subpoenaed by the January 6 committee?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/politics ... index.html

An obscure far-right paramilitary group is in the spotlight this week after getting subpoenaed by the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection.

The committee subpoenaed the 1st Amendment Praetorian, a group founded in 2020 that recruits military veterans and former police officers to provide security at right-wing events.

[snip]

The group's name and logo invoke ancient Rome and the Praetorian Guard of elite bodyguards and intelligence operatives that protected the Roman emperor. They are one of many far-right groups that appropriate Greco-Roman imagery to promote political violence, according to an analysis from Pharos, a group at Vassar College that studies these historical overlaps.

[snip]

Like many paramilitary groups, they recruit US military veterans, retired law enforcement and ex-members of the intelligence community. Their website says their members must attend monthly training sessions.

[snip]

Who is the group's leader?

The group was founded by Robert Patrick Lewis, an Army veteran who served in the Special Forces, who describes himself as an "author... entrepreneur, political junkie (and) investor."

[snip]

Lewis has appeared on prominent QAnon online shows, and posted his own 10-minute video promoting some of the QAnon conspiracy theories, according to an investigation by The Daily Beast. His group provided security at a major QAnon conference held in Dallas earlier this year.

[snip]

The group provided security at pro-Trump rallies in November and December 2020 that were followed by violence and arrests on the streets of DC. They were also present at a rally on January 5 that featured incendiary speeches from far-right provocateurs like Alexander and Roger Stone, and conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.

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BTW ... we can debate whether or not Rome was a republic, it did have an Imperial Senate, but it was kinda far from a democracy, and the Praetorians protected the (unelected, dictatorial) Emperor ...

Got it? These folks take their names from the protectors of THE EMPIRE.
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Yeah, that is some SCARY shit especially in light of the report the other day that capitol police are very short handed.

Why no independent counsel like Ken Starr when he was tasked to get to the important details of a blowjob?
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ProfX wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:13 pm What is the 1st Amendment Praetorian, the obscure far-right group subpoenaed by the January 6 committee?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/politics ... index.html

An obscure far-right paramilitary group is in the spotlight this week after getting subpoenaed by the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection.

The committee subpoenaed the 1st Amendment Praetorian, a group founded in 2020 that recruits military veterans and former police officers to provide security at right-wing events.

[snip]

The group's name and logo invoke ancient Rome and the Praetorian Guard of elite bodyguards and intelligence operatives that protected the Roman emperor. They are one of many far-right groups that appropriate Greco-Roman imagery to promote political violence, according to an analysis from Pharos, a group at Vassar College that studies these historical overlaps.

[snip]

Like many paramilitary groups, they recruit US military veterans, retired law enforcement and ex-members of the intelligence community. Their website says their members must attend monthly training sessions.

[snip]

Who is the group's leader?

The group was founded by Robert Patrick Lewis, an Army veteran who served in the Special Forces, who describes himself as an "author... entrepreneur, political junkie (and) investor."

[snip]

Lewis has appeared on prominent QAnon online shows, and posted his own 10-minute video promoting some of the QAnon conspiracy theories, according to an investigation by The Daily Beast. His group provided security at a major QAnon conference held in Dallas earlier this year.

[snip]

The group provided security at pro-Trump rallies in November and December 2020 that were followed by violence and arrests on the streets of DC. They were also present at a rally on January 5 that featured incendiary speeches from far-right provocateurs like Alexander and Roger Stone, and conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.

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BTW ... we can debate whether or not Rome was a republic, it did have an Imperial Senate, but it was kinda far from a democracy, and the Praetorians protected the (unelected, dictatorial) Emperor ...

Got it? These folks take their names from the protectors of THE EMPIRE.
But this white ndn lady from like 1975 on here said this isn't even possible! becuz what would we dumb plebes know about the military!
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:28 pm But this white ndn lady from like 1975 on here said this isn't even possible! becuz what would we dumb plebes know about the military!
I really appreciated that though.

Sure, I was only in the military for a little while, but to be assured that those 3 generals were full of shit and had no idea what they were talking about, was grand!

Schumer on now, Rachel...going to talk about voting rights. I cant listen. I know what is gonna happen, nothing.

I hate knowing my gut feeling is right but it is. No trump is going to jail, ever. etc Since the entire GOP are no good fucking traitors, we need all 50 dems for voting rights and we have two traitors also.

BAD DAYS ahead!
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And here Trump soldier Navarro admits it was a coup




https://youtu.be/eB8wwHJ4LFs

You cons are fuckers. You are traitors. You are my enemy.


Bannon and Navarro openly saying they will normalize Jan 6 and not certifying elections they lose.

And now on the eve of Jan 6 he is calling for his idiots to RISE UP

ia Roll Call editor John Bennett, Trump put out a press release that falsely accused the Biden administration of calling for vaccine mandates for children and for closing schools to deal with the novel coronavirus pandemic.

"This is an outrage, and MAGA nation should rise up and oppose this egregious federal government overreach," Trump wrote.
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Had it been a planned insurrection then once they breached the capital everyone would have had an assignment and there would have been a chain of command onsite.

It was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say the participants were invited I would be likely to agree.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:40 pm Had it been a planned insurrection then once they breached the capital everyone would have had an assignment and there would have been a chain of command onsite.

It was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say the participants were invited I would be likely to agree.
People did have assignments, they had intel on the Capitol. They even showed up with zip tie cuffs for the lawmakers. Plus, they had lawmakers inside tweeting to them where Pelosi was so they could go after her. There WAS a chain of command among the several groups that put it together.

Now, luckily for us, they were idiots and amateurs. That's why one black cop could bait them into chasing him by insulting them, but that's what Trump's follower are. Racist wanna bees.
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I guess all these "spontaneous" people with weapons "spontaneously" summoned them, out of some magical bag of holding, or something. And no, I'm not just talking about the "improvised" weapons, like grabbing a flagpole.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/04/politics ... index.html

Facts First: It's not even close to true that all of the people at the Capitol on January 6 were unarmed -- and the claim is still false even if it is specifically about guns. People who illegally entered Capitol grounds during the insurrection were armed with a wide variety of weapons, including guns, stun guns, knives, batons, baseball bats, axes and chemical sprays. The Department of Justice said in an official update last week that so far "over 75" people charged in connection to the attack "have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon."

We may never get a complete inventory of the concealed weapons the rioters possessed on January 6, since nearly all of the rioters were able to leave the Capitol without being detained and searched. But prosecutors have alleged that some of the people present at the Capitol were armed with guns, as were some other Trump supporters who traveled to Washington for January 6.

Mark Mazza of Indiana has been charged with crimes including possession of a firearm on Capitol grounds; he has pleaded not guilty. According to the Capitol Police, Mazza accidentally dropped his loaded revolver during a struggle with police on a Capitol terrace. He allegedly told investigators later that if he had visited House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that day, "you'd be here for another reason."

Guy Reffitt of Texas has been charged with crimes including illegally carrying a semi-automatic handgun on Capitol grounds; he has pleaded not guilty. Prosecutors allege Reffitt "specifically targeted at least two lawmakers -- the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, and then-Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell -- whom he sought to physically remove or displace from the Capitol building." And police allege Christopher Alberts of Maryland was arrested trying to flee Capitol grounds on January 6 with a loaded pistol; he has pleaded not guilty.

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In addition, Lonnie Coffman of Alabama, who pleaded guilty to weapons charges in November, admitted that he had carried two loaded pistols in Washington on January 6 and that a truck he had parked blocks from the Capitol contained additional loaded guns, Molotov cocktails and other weapons. Cleveland Meredith Jr., who pleaded guilty to threatening to kill Pelosi and was sentenced to 28 months in prison, drove from Colorado to Washington with a rifle and handgun that were found in his trailer outside a Washington hotel. The FBI said Meredith had told agents he had tried to get to Washington on January 5 but ended up arriving late on January 6

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I don't think any jurist would say "the right to bear arms" extend to Molotov cocktails (even outside the Capitol). I guess it is really interesting how those just "spontaneously" appeared in Coffman's truck. I guess all those people saying they wanted to kill or take hostage lawmakers in the Capitol "spontaneously" decided this after the rally.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:40 pm Had it been a planned insurrection then once they breached the capital everyone would have had an assignment and there would have been a chain of command onsite.

It was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say the participants were invited I would be likely to agree.
Glenn, do you remember telling me all those "rioters" were armed with guns?
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:40 pm Had it been a planned insurrection then once they breached the capital everyone would have had an assignment and there would have been a chain of command onsite.

It was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say the participants were invited I would be likely to agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNNj1_T-B44

At 14 seconds in you will see the planned assault on the capital.

There are other videos showing another part of that group trying to secure the tunnels. (escape routes) You'll see them in military garb with color coded tape on back packs. It shows one of them trying to stop a security gate from coming down. They all had a task.

Nah, the best ya can say is that some didn't know about the planned attack.
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There is ample evidence this was planned. We could see the coordinated planning happening a month and weeks leading up to the attack, via social media comms, video, podcasts, etc. GOP Reps we’re calling that day 1776, or Civil war, leading up to and on that day. They had weapons, military equipment, and militias. The plan was to attack, stall the process, and harm the direct line to the presidency. Then Trump would declare martial law and never leave. The person who keeps denying this is a broken record, and quite frankly, complicit in an attempted cover up.
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bradman wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:57 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNNj1_T-B44

At 14 seconds in you will see the planned assault on the capital.

There are other videos showing another part of that group trying to secure the tunnels. (escape routes) You'll see them in military garb with color coded tape on back packs. It shows one of them trying to stop a security gate from coming down. They all had a task.

Nah, the best ya can say is that some didn't know about the planned attack.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:40 pm Had it been a planned insurrection then once they breached the capital everyone would have had an assignment and there would have been a chain of command onsite.

It was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say the participants were invited I would be likely to agree.
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There may have been crowds of hangers-on there, but the core was armed and ready, with specific assignments, action plans, and targets. They communicated tactical information over wireless media, and coordinated their operations. They passed such sensitive data as the locations of congressional offices, the access routes to tunnels, and the most likely escape routes of their targets. Some had orders to neutralize said targets using lethal force.

We have ample evidence that, before the operation, plans were made and assignments were cleared with "war rooms" in DC hotels. These plans go all the way to the top. There was a chain of command.

Where I come from, this is called an insurrection. A coup d'etat. A putsch. Pick your language. All the names mean the same thing. People who couldn't win playing by the rules tried to repeal the rules and put their grand imperial poobah in a dictatorial command of a once great nation once based on the rule of laws, not individuals.

You know me, I don't buy all the freedom and liberty stuff that Americans throw around to justify every neo-fascist idea they have, but it is relevant this time. A bunch of thugs couldn't accept that their fearless leader lost an election that had a straighter count than quite a few others I've seen. They tried to overthrow the government, using means that would in all other contexts be condemned as un-American. Fucking liars/hypocrites/whatever.

In some countries the whole lot of them would have been hunted down by deep-cover operatives and "disappeared." We don't do that here. If that crowd had won, though, we'd probably start doing it. They don't want a free country. They want rule by the strong, or at least by the guy with ideas that look the sexiest on the misbegotten Internet.

The fact that a surprising number of these thugs served in the American military and took an oath to defend what they sought to overthrow on 1/6 says something. I'm not sure what, but this is significant. Somewhere, something has gone badly wrong.

WTF????????!??!?!????
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Drak wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:33 pm Image
She’s the one that kept announcing on Twitter the location of Speaker Pelosi.
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gounion wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:46 pm She’s the one that kept announcing on Twitter the location of Speaker Pelosi.
Yep. She was also giving tours before the attack.
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Drak wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:06 am There is ample evidence this was planned. We could see the coordinated planning happening a month and weeks leading up to the attack, via social media comms, video, podcasts, etc. GOP Reps we’re calling that day 1776, or Civil war, leading up to and on that day. They had weapons, military equipment, and militias. The plan was to attack, stall the process, and harm the direct line to the presidency. Then Trump would declare martial law and never leave. The person who keeps denying this is a broken record, and quite frankly, complicit in an attempted cover up.
Anyone STILL saying it was a riot and not planned is as armed and fascist as a 1942 Nazi soldier.

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Improvised Explosive Devices were in the U.S. Capitol Building.

Firearms were found in the U.S. Capitol Building.

A Gallows was erected to hang Vice President Pence,Speaker of the House Pelosi and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (among others).

Over 140-Police Officers were injured.

Two Police Officers committted suicide.

One Officer died of heart attack.

Insurrectionists were prowling the halls of Congress look for Members of House and Senate to kill them.

Certain Republican Congressmen and Congresswomen gave tours days before the attack.

One Congresswoman was tweeting the location of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This was not some riot gone wrong, it was an Insurrection.

People who defend the Insurrectionists are NOT Patriots, but these same defend and support the Traitor. We know who loves our country and does not. It sure as fuck IS NOT ANY PERSON WHO DEFENDS AND SUPPORTS THE TRAITOR. IT IS NOT ANY PERSON WHO CALLS 01-06 A RIOT GONE WRONG.

It is people who put Party before country and we know who you are.
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An Op-Ed in the New York Time written former President Jimmy Carter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opin ... arter.html

One year ago, a violent mob, guided by unscrupulous politicians, stormed the Capitol and almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power. All four of us former presidents condemned their actions and affirmed the legitimacy of the 2020 election. There followed a brief hope that the insurrection would shock the nation into addressing the toxic polarization that threatens our democracy.

However, one year on, promoters of the lie that the election was stolen have taken over one political party and stoked distrust in our electoral systems. These forces exert power and influence through relentless disinformation, which continues to turn Americans against Americans. According to the Survey Center on American Life, 36 percent of Americans — almost 100 million adults across the political spectrum — agree that “the traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.” The Washington Post recently reported that roughly 40 percent of Republicans believe that violent action against the government is sometimes justified.


Mr. Carter is a great man. He lives by courage of his convictions.

If YOU call the events of 01-06 a riot gone wrong, you are a liar. It was an Insurrection.
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Dick Cheney spoke up, but not enough. Where is George W. Bush? He needs to denounce Trump too. Call him the lair that he is. Stand up for rule of law in America.

Sadly, there's very few Profiles in Courage in the GOP these days.
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