Tennessee County bans prize-wining "Maus"

[ProfX]

I swear. Some people must really hate how "racist" Orwell's Animal Farm is, too.

The metaphorical/allegorical depiction of people as animals is a long-standing trope that goes back millennia.

Poles. BTW, are a ethnicity/nationality, not a race. Is Maus "racist" toward Jews for depicting them as mice? To Germans for depicting them as cats?

This is so idiotic.

[gounion]

Again it is not appropriate for a children's library.
Would you be of the same opinion if the book depicting blacks as pigs

When blacks are depicted as monkeys, you say that they need to get a sense of humor.

Having said that, this book isn't for children. It's for Junior and HIgh School and adults.

Have you read Animal Farm?

[Glennfs]

I swear. Some people must really hate how "racist" Orwell's Animal Farm is, too.

The metaphorical/allegorical depiction of people as animals is a long-standing trope that goes back millennia.

Poles. BTW, are a ethnicity/nationality, not a race. Is Maus "racist" toward Jews for depicting them as mice? To Germans for depicting them as cats?

This is so idiotic.

The difference is that it doesn't depict any specific ethnic group as a particular animal.
Without going into detail when I moved to SC I joined a civic organization so I could buy Sunday beer. Poor reason but I was young.
There I actually meant people who believed that polish people were stupid. At the time my daughter was one of the brightest children at her school.
I was amazed I never knew that people believed Pollock jokes were real. I had 2 choices quit the organization or beat the dog dirt out of a particular loud mouth. I chose the former.
Now you as a Jewish person probably heard the same shit my wife heard growing up.
A book that children could perceive as enforcing those stereotypes does not belong in a child's library.

[Glennfs]

When blacks are depicted as monkeys, you say that they need to get a sense of humor.

Having said that, this book isn't for children. It's for Junior and HIgh School and adults.

Have you read Animal Farm?

I never said that you are lying

[JoeMemphis]

And hey, Joe, you want to explain to me what's wrong with MOUSE nudity?

That shows how fucked up conservatives are.

I never said I agreed with their decision. I just said I agreed that the people in that community have the right thru their elected board members to make that call. You seem to have an issue with democracy when you don’t agree with the choices other people make.

[Glennfs]

I never said I agreed with their decision. I just said I agreed that the people in that community have the right thru their elected board members to make that call. You seem to have an issue with democracy when you don’t agree with the choices other people make.

Careful GoU will now accuse you of saying racist things you never said

[JoeMemphis]

Careful GoU will now accuse you of saying racist things you never said

It never stopped him before.

[carmenjonze]

So ...

troll

[carmenjonze]

Read Maus, yet?

[carmenjonze]

I swear. Some people must really hate how "racist" Orwell's Animal Farm is, too.

The metaphorical/allegorical depiction of people as animals is a long-standing trope that goes back millennia.

Poles. BTW, are a ethnicity/nationality, not a race. Is Maus "racist" toward Jews for depicting them as mice? To Germans for depicting them as cats?

This is so idiotic.

Idiotic, irrational, and attention-seeking.

11 million people mass-murdered by classic white supremacist/white nationalists, the majority being Jewish. A Jewish man creates a Pulitzer-winning graphic novel about his own parents' experiences in it.

Glennfs wastes no time positioning his own family as the victims, this time, of a book on the shelf in the library.

Can't have reasoned conversations on this topic with that person.

[carmenjonze]

And hey, Joe, you want to explain to me what's wrong with MOUSE nudity?

That shows how fucked up conservatives are.

Conservatives are such dirty, petty social perverts. The same types are currently bent out of shape that the green M&M doesn't wear the sexy Jane Fonda go-go boots, anymore; they defended Santa as being white, and they nearly perished of fits when Tinky Winky put on a skirt.

They were also very strong defenders of the platonic nature of Bert and Ernie when rumors started to fly that they're gay.

This is bracketing how many Black men conservative whites lynched and torched whole neighborhoods, over some made-up rumor about a guy looking at some proto-karen.

Meanwhile, there are conservative white women who are proud to shove their own daughters into the arms of men like Roy Moore, and Matt Goetz is likely on his way to jail for forcing sex on minor girls.

Conservative sexual perversion knows no bounds.

[gounion]

I never said I agreed with their decision. I just said I agreed that the people in that community have the right thru their elected board members to make that call. You seem to have an issue with democracy when you don’t agree with the choices other people make.

So if people were to vote to bring back Jim Crow, you would cheer for democracy, wouldn't you?

It's funny when you have people making laws that discriminate against minorities, you're all for "democracy".

But then you guys turn around and say we don't have a democracy, we have a Republic.

Look, you're all for racism under the guise of democracy.

Again, I'm for truth and science. I'm not for burning books and censorship.

[gounion]

I never said that you are lying

Bullshit. Let's also remember when you manufactured outrage when people called you a redneck, too.

You play the race and victim card all the time.

[carmenjonze]

Bullshit. Let's also remember when you manufactured outrage when people called you a redneck, too.

You play the race and victim card all the time.

11 million people, 6 million Jewish people, murdered by the German government.

It's Glennfs's family that's the victims here, though.

This person is so far-gone he has no idea how completely offensive it is to play the victim when the topic is the Holocaust. But that's white supremacism for you. They even think they're at the top of the heap of oppressed peoples.

[gounion]

It's funny how Joe defends the actions of the racist right without admitting he's defending them.

Joe's saying, sure, they're all racist idiots, but racist idiots know better than the government what they want.

Joe is saying that if the racist idiots want to bring back Jim Crow, it's their right and he defends that right.

[gounion]

Since Glenn has gone full victim here, about how scarred he is from supposed racist treatment HE has suffered, we need to post this cartoon again for both him and Joe:



And Joe I guess those folks need to ban all the Mickey Mouse books for animal nudity too. After all, that damned Donald Duck has NEVER wore pants!

It's truly insane the shit you defend.

[Glennfs]

So if people were to vote to bring back Jim Crow, you would cheer for democracy, wouldn't you?

It's funny when you have people making laws that discriminate against minorities, you're all for "democracy".

But then you guys turn around and say we don't have a democracy, we have a Republic.

Look, you're all for racism under the guise of democracy.

Again, I'm for truth and science. I'm not for burning books and censorship.

Whenever you are losing an argument you always resort to lies. You get your pantees in a wad at any mention of the "S" word. Then turn around and make shit up out of whole cloth. Typical of liberals whenever you are losing accuse the person of racism hypocrisy thy name is GoU.

BTW we do live in a Representative Republic and if you are for truth quit lying if that is even possible

[gounion]

Whenever you are losing an argument you always resort to lies. You get your pantees in a wad at any mention of the "S" word. Then turn around and make shit up out of whole cloth. Typical of liberals whenever you are losing accuse the person of racism hypocrisy thy name is GoU.

BTW we do live in a Representative Republic and if you are for truth quit lying if that is even possible

So, is it rule of law, or is it rule of mob?

Do YOU support the new censorship law in Florida?

[Glennfs]

So, is it rule of law, or is it rule of mob?

Do YOU support the new censorship law in Florida?

No I am for common sense and local citizens being incharge of what is taught in the public schools within their community. BTW there isnt a censorship law in Florida.
I love it citizens taking charge of what goes on in their public schools are now a mob

[gounion]

No I am for common sense and local citizens being incharge of what is taught in the public schools within their community. BTW there isnt a censorship law in Florida/

Yes, there is.

Censor anything that hurts your fee-fees.

Of course, just white man fee-fees.

It's funny how you are soooo scarred from your past - which you kept going to because you couldn't buy beer on Saturday for Sunday. But you don't give a shit about how OTHER minorities are treated.

[Glennfs]

Yes, there is.

Of course, just white man fee-fees.

It's funny how you are soooo scarred from your past - which you kept going to because you couldn't buy beer on Saturday for Sunday. But you don't give a shit about how OTHER minorities are treated.

Yep when losing go to rabe callout that is the social....err I mean the liberal way

I am not scared I just take exception to my wife and children being call stupid pollocks or depicted as being swine.

[gounion]

Yep when losing go to rabe callout that is the social....err I mean the liberal way

You're the one playing the victim. You're the one whining about how your fee-fees were hurt. Own it, Glenn.

[Glennfs]

You're the one playing the victim. You're the one whining about how your fee-fees were hurt. Own it, Glenn.

You consider polish people to be pigs OK I get it.

[gounion]

You consider polish people to be pigs OK I get it.

You are a lying fuck.

[ProfX]

Art Spiegelman has given several interviews over why the Poles in the book are depicted as pigs.

You don't even have to read it - esp. the two very lazy critics on this thread who will never bother - to understand, as he's pointed out several times, pigs in comics, cartoons, and allegories are not always negative depictions. (I will admit in Animal Farm it is not for positive reasons Orwell makes the pigs the Party who runs the Farm.) Take for example the lovable Porky Pig: or maybe the Amazing Spider-Ham?

The role of Poles in the Holocaust is a current matter of debate that the Polish government, much like this one here, seems to not want to be able to have people discuss as a objective historical fact. But there have been many documentaries and articles on this. Suffice to say: yes, it's complicated, some Poles resisted, but when it came to rounding up their Jewish neighbors, most cooperated - passively, sometimes actively. And there even was ANOTHER pogrom against Jews AFTER the camps were liberated ...

Noting these things is not being "racist" toward Poles, but it is something Art brings up in the book.