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One of the biggest lies pushed by the right wing is that there's a liberal MSM. Where is it? Almost the entirety of the MSM is owned by conservative corporations and advertisers. And they get to create reality. Sure there's "left wing" talking heads on some of these networks, but none of them that I can see are owned by liberals. That's a major problem for democracy. Especially when we have moderate view points on these shows being pushed as "liberal."
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Drak wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:08 pm One of the biggest lies pushed by the right wing is that there's a liberal MSM. Where is it? Almost the entirety of the MSM is owned by conservative corporations and advertisers. And they get to create reality. Sure there's "left wing" talking heads on some of these networks, but none of them that I can see are owned by liberals. That's a major problem for democracy. Especially when we have moderate view points on these shows being pushed as "liberal."
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False. Msnbc is owned by NBC.
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Drak wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:08 pm One of the biggest lies pushed by the right wing is that there's a liberal MSM. Where is it? Almost the entirety of the MSM is owned by conservative corporations and advertisers. And they get to create reality. Sure there's "left wing" talking heads on some of these networks, but none of them that I can see are owned by liberals. That's a major problem for democracy. Especially when we have moderate view points on these shows being pushed as "liberal."
MSM was accused of being "liberal" 4 occasionally coming up with the goods about what was really going on in Vietnam and exposing Nixon to be the criminal he is or was.

Ever since the MSM is afraid to hold cons to the same level of responsibility as they hold dems. This has been coming ever since, this total breakdown and it is all because half the country thinks like children.

ps for example, MSNBC which does nothing but report the facts 100% truthfully, yet the right actually believes they are biased. That is our reality, if you tell the truth, you are biased. Fox misrepresents and skews and ignores more in one day than MSNBC has done in 20 years combined.
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Back in the early 90s, I was stationed in Germany and The Stare and Stripes newspaper had an article about onservative vs liberal media. They listed about 60 media outlets including TV, newspapers, magazines, radio, etc... The ratio of conservative to liberal was more than 4 to 1. I wished I had saved that article and I've searched online, to not avail, for it. Since then, I have no doubt the ratio has increased considerably.

The claim the MSM is liberal is a lie conservatives sold and continue to sell.
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The hawks have hated the media since CBS covered Vietnam, when the military finally lost control of the narrative.
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Tao Jones Sr. wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:26 pm The hawks have hated the media since CBS covered Vietnam, when the military finally lost control of the narrative.
Yeah, look at what they did to Dan Rather.

Planting that letter was a good way to try and destroy the credibility of one of the greatest journalists of all time.

I dont think they ever proved it was a fake anyway.
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Libertas wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:36 pm Yeah, look at what they did to Dan Rather.
Dan Rather shot himself in the foot falling for the fake document concerning G.W. Bush. The document should have been thoroughly vetted before he put in on the air.
Planting that letter was a good way to try and destroy the credibility of one of the greatest journalists of all time.
IIRC, the letter wasn’t a plant but manufactured by a vet who didn’t like Bush.
I dont think they ever proved it was a fake anyway.
Again, IIRC, it was proven to be a fake because the typewriter font was wrong on the document and not one the AF used.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:27 pm Dan Rather shot himself in the foot falling for the fake document concerning G.W. Bush. The document should have been thoroughly vetted before he put in on the air.


IIRC, the letter wasn’t a plant but manufactured by a vet who didn’t like Bush.


Again, IIRC, it was proven to be a fake because the typewriter font was wrong on the document and not one the AF used.
Yeah, it was a Karl Rove dirty trick.
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The documents were not, however, ever proved to be forgeries.

https://ew.com/article/2015/12/29/dan-r ... ws-firing/

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The game here is always the same, and obvious to those of us paying attention.

The GOP explodes the deficit and destroys the economy. Then Democrats get elected and the conservative owned MSM starts going negative on the Dems - such as non stop Dems in disarray, or as failures. They've been running negative commentary on Biden and the Democratic Party for months now. And voila, the polls numbers sink even though they've accomplished quite a bit. Between that and the GOP obstruction and running nothing but fear based lies and distraction campaigns, we're set up for another Midterm disaster. People need to wake up. How fking myopic can people be?
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gounion wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:32 pm Yeah, it was a Karl Rove dirty trick.
Do you have any proof of that or is that just another one of your liberal lies
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:16 pm Do you have any proof of that or is that just another one of your liberal lies
The ones who lie are the GOP, and their radicalized base. Like you.
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Drak wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:22 pm The ones who lie are the GOP, and their radicalized base. Like you.
Again do you or GoU have any proof that the Dan Rather deal was a Karl Rove dirty trick . Or is that just another liberal lie
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:27 pm Again do you or GoU have any proof that the Dan Rather deal was a Karl Rove dirty trick . Or is that just another liberal lie
I never made the comment. I'm just pointing out that the board's biggest pusher of lies and disinformation really shouldn't be calling other people liars. It's extremely hypocritical.

It's actually pretty hysterical when you say, "liberal lie" as if that's a common trait of liberals. The constant lies and alternate reality comes from the side you support and vote for.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:27 pm Again do you or GoU have any proof that the Dan Rather deal was a Karl Rove dirty trick . Or is that just another liberal lie
I got tired of hearing all your right-wing lies about the Clintons.
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Tao Jones Sr. wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:26 pm The hawks have hated the media since CBS covered Vietnam, when the military finally lost control of the narrative.
Think about how the United States tried to change Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan but it couldn't, instead through trying, changing itself transforming itself into what it has become now with all the suspicion and fear and hate, division, the school and shopping mall massacres, the inequality, the police killing of innocents the injustice the poverty and destruction the ignorance and cynicism.

The news media who mostly cheer led or minimized these things has gone through a similar transformation to its current state of bias, misinformation, and confusion spreaders. This one side versus the other completely omits that neither side are working to fix the problems, that neither side is seeking solutions or have the answers to the problems plaguing the world today.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:16 pm Do you have any proof of that or is that just another one of your liberal lies
It's been pretty well established that Dan Rather was set up. It's proven that the document in question was a forgery that was so badly done that it's hard not to believe that the intent was for it to be discovered as such. The most plausible intent was to bullet-proof goober bush on the service record issue by pre-empting any possible use of it in the election campaign. It is still considered as a dirty trickster op all the way, and history will almost certainly continue to treat it as such.

The connection to Karl Rove was investigated, but alas, I don't know enough of the details to cite anything definitive here. It's been too long, and I have other things on my mind right now. Getting back on topic, here's today's news drop:

A former president most likely was consciously engaged along with his backers in a true genuine honest to gosh coup d'etat in the United States, and today WaPo is out with the real dirt on him and his buddies. It's all over their headlines online today though of course it remains just as paywalled as most everything else they put there. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/

So far our country's major punishment for the real above the line people on this coup is that their head guy/ hero/ guru was forced to stand in a plexiglass box and help 50,000 of his closest friends do the Tomahawk Chop.

Oh wait, the only punishment there is that we the people had to watch them doing it, as part of just about the worst coverage of any ball game anywhere ever, as committed by Faux TV. Oh, if only the bad political optics were all that was wrong with it, but they were the least of the problem. I woke up this morning still angry that I'd wasted that much of my life watching the thing. It was one of the worst wastes of time, money, and talent in recent sports TV history.

Meanwhile, the coupsters remain out of sight, as if they were just normal people doing normal things. When we get away from the CNN Sunday pundits, it remains the case that the media moguls have "other priorities," like telling us what a failure Biden is because our broken legislative system is functioning exactly as it has been engineered over the years of partisan crap to function. In other words, not at all.

Back in the real world, it appears that Biden has distinguished himself quite nicely at the G20 and the climate thing.
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Chuck Todd was a real prick on Meet the Press today.

I'm not going to watch his show again, not for a long time after today.

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sam lefthand wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:22 pm Chuck Todd was a real prick on Meet the Press today.

I'm not going to watch his show again, not for a long time after today.

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Todd is a disaster zone. He's a midget trying to occupy shoes left to him by giants. He's best ignored altogether.

The only interview show I even bother to record is Rachel Maddow, and half the time I forget to watch the recordings. Mostly I just don't have time for TV opinion shows and their endless ado about nothing, all sliced into neat little time slots between ads bought by companies whose owners probably voted for drumpf.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:31 pm Todd is a disaster zone. He's a midget trying to occupy shoes left to him by giants. He's best ignored altogether.

The only interview show I even bother to record is Rachel Maddow, and half the time I forget to watch the recordings. Mostly I just don't have time for TV opinion shows and their endless ado about nothing, all sliced into neat little time slots between ads bought by companies whose owners probably voted for drumpf.
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Ever since The Fairness Doctrine disappeared & The 96 Telecom Act was voted into law the media has been anything but liberal today it is nothing more than conservative unbalanced infotainment blowhard hoopla garbage.
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gounion wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:32 pm Yeah, it was a Karl Rove dirty trick.
Still no link must be a liberal lie
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