The Critical Race Theory/so-called Cancel Culture Thread

[gounion]

We all get our information from different places. I rely on people I know who have actual experience in the field. People who build the clean rooms for medical labs have to know about particulates and filtration. I agree the world isn’t a lab or a clean room. I never said it was. It is in fact much dirtier and more contaminated. So if a mask is inadequate in those environments it’s probably inadequate in the world. And people in the world don’t wear their masks like the folks who work in those clean rooms and labs. To expect that type of discipline is unrealistic. The further you deviate from those ideal conditions the more your efficacy is degraded.

I have not questioned your brother’s judgement or that of your sister’s cousin’s hairdresser’s judo teacher. Where you choose to get your information and who you rely on is up to you. I do not expect you to rely on my opinion on an anonymous message board. Do not expect me to rely on yours.

Thank you for proving my point in my post about safety equipment.

As part of the leadership of the safety program at the aircraft company, I took a lot of safety training, and safety in the way of particulates.

Oh, yeah, we also had a a clean room for composite layup. I've had lots more training in such subject matter than you have. Yet I don't consider myself an expert like you consider yourself.

And here's what's hilarious. After A YEAR AND A HALF of debating this stuff, SUDDENLY you come up with this cousin out of thin air, that you take all of your cues from. Gee, you never mentioned him before.

Which tells me you had to come up with something new, because you keep losing these debates on the facts, so you dreamed up someone that you could use the old Appeal to Authority with.

I call you on your bullshit. It's all made up.

[JoeMemphis]

Thank you for proving my point in my post about safety equipment.

As part of the leadership of the safety program at the aircraft company, I took a lot of safety training, and safety in the way of particulates.

Oh, yeah, we also had a a clean room for composite layup. I've had lots more training in such subject matter than you have. Yet I don't consider myself an expert like you consider yourself.

And here's what's hilarious. After A YEAR AND A HALF of debating this stuff, SUDDENLY you come up with this cousin out of thin air, that you take all of your cues from. Gee, you never mentioned him before.

Which tells me you had to come up with something new, because you keep losing these debates on the facts, so you dreamed up someone that you could use the old Appeal to Authority with.

I call you on your bullshit. It's all made up.

I mentioned my cousin last year and I mentioned what he did for a living. That aside, I never claimed to be an expert. I have an opinion that happens to be different from yours. You can't seem to deal with the the fact that not everyone in the world agrees with you. Thats both hilarious and sad at the same time.

I don't recall you ever mentioning your "training" on particulates in any of our discussions.

[Drak]

What's sad is not believing in reality.

[JoeMemphis]

What's sad is not believing in reality.

you would know.

[Drak]

No, I believe in facts. As has been pointed out, you just make shit up.

[gounion]

I mentioned my cousin last year and I mentioned what he did for a living. That aside, I never claimed to be an expert. I have an opinion that happens to be different from yours. You can't seem to deal with the the fact that not everyone in the world agrees with you. Thats both hilarious and sad at the same time.

No, you didn't. You just made him up.

You claim your "expertise" is as legit as Anthony Fauci's. It isn't. If your opinion doesn't line up with actual facts, you're just being an idiot flat earther.

And it's not funny, it's truly said. But otherwise supposedly intelligent people believing crazy shit is what the conservative movement is all about these days. Flat earth, horse dewormer, all that shit. And that's what you're trucking in.

[JoeMemphis]

No, you didn't. You just made him up.

You claim your "expertise" is as legit as Anthony Fauci's. It isn't. If your opinion doesn't line up with actual facts, you're just being an idiot flat earther.

And it's not funny, it's truly said. But otherwise supposedly intelligent people believing crazy shit is what the conservative movement is all about these days. Flat earth, horse dewormer, all that shit. And that's what you're trucking in.

Show me where I said my expertise ia as legit as Fauci. Show me where I ever made such a claim.

[gounion]

Show me where I said my expertise ia as legit as Fauci. Show me where I ever made such a claim.

You have said over and over that your opinion is just as legitimate as Fauci's.

[Number6]

Virus particles aren’t spread solely by coughing or sneezing. Normal breathing produces smaller particulates. Those particulates hang in the air and are finer than the droplets produced in a cough or a sneeze. They are small enough to defeat most common masks.

Believe what you want. That’s up to you. My cousin spent 25 years building clean rooms for labs. It was his business to know what worked and what didn’t work. He’s my expert on this kind of stuff. He also wears masks when required. He just makes sure it’s an N95.

So based on the quality of most of the masks worn and the wearing habits of most people, it’s my personal opinion that masking and highly restrictive policy applied against the entire population was marginally effective. I think the CDC numbers pre vaccine bears that out. But that’s my personal opinion. I have no issue if you don’t agree.

Part of my duties in my 28-year AF career working in hospitals and clinics was to go into "sterile" rooms, mainly in surgical suites and Central Supply (where they sterilized instruments). In these areas, I would have to "suit-up" in sterile coverall, wear booties over my boots, surgical gloves, a cap over my hair, and wear a surgical mask (NP95). If the masks weren't effective then why would I have to wear a mask in those areas? The reason, masks work. Now the masks we wear throughout the day are not NP95 masks but they still reduce the amount of moisture when we exhale and the COVID-19 virus is contained in the moisture. In short, masks work. So the question is whom do we believe, you or the majority of the world's medical and health organizations? I'll go with the world's medical and health organizations because they know what they're talking about.

[carmenjonze]

[carmenjonze]

Middle School Teacher Recorded Making Comments On Hunter Biden, Presidential Election And Vaccines In Classroom - CBS Local

The incident occurred two weeks ago at Anacapa Middle School. Silikula said she alerted the school immediately becuase her son came home very confused.

“And he got in the car and he was very upset. He announced, ‘I’m never getting vaccinated. I’m never getting anymore shots of any kind. Did you know Trump’s still president?'” Silikula said.

In the seven minute recording taken on Oct. 18, the teacher discusses vaccines.

“If you have a baby in the hospital, they don’t want to give it back if you’re not vaccinated. This is a complete power control threat,” the teach was heard saying.

The Anacapa Middle School teacher also made comments about the justice system and the presidential election, where at one point, a teacher’s aide can be heard suggesting that she does not need to discuss the election.

“I trusted her to teach him the facts about history and she went off on this rant like a preacher on a pulpit,” Silikula said.

It was a moment that Silikula said damaged her relationship with her son because he believes his teacher.

“…when he first got in the car and said, ‘Dad, teachers know everything. She’s right, dad. You’re wrong.’ He’s damaged. He’s hurt. He’s scared. He doesn’t trust his parents now. He thinks we lied to him,” Silikula said of her son.

What upsets Silikua further was that the other parents with childre in the class are unaware of the teacher’s political comments in the classroom.

Oh my goodness cancel culture!

[JoeMemphis]

You have said over and over that your opinion is just as legitimate as Fauci's.

That’s vastly different than claiming my experience superior. I don’t know that I made any claims as far as legitimacy. I think all I’ve said is that I don’t agree with everything the man says and also that he is not always right nor is he the only expert in his field.

Nowhere did I ever make the claims you attributed to me. So you clearly and deliberately misrepresented what I have posted. You do so while lecturing me on honesty. So much for your “honesty” and “integrity”.

[JoeMemphis]

Part of my duties in my 28-year AF career working in hospitals and clinics was to go into "sterile" rooms, mainly in surgical suites and Central Supply (where they sterilized instruments). In these areas, I would have to "suit-up" in sterile coverall, wear booties over my boots, surgical gloves, a cap over my hair, and wear a surgical mask (NP95). If the masks weren't effective then why would I have to wear a mask in those areas? The reason, masks work. Now the masks we wear throughout the day are not NP95 masks but they still reduce the amount of moisture when we exhale and the COVID-19 virus is contained in the moisture. In short, masks work. So the question is whom do we believe, you or the majority of the world's medical and health organizations? I'll go with the world's medical and health organizations because they know what they're talking about.

Believe whomever you choose. We are discussing different points of view. I haven’t asked you to change your mind.

[carmenjonze]

How come it's the people yelling the loudest about cancel culture who are actually canceling culture??

Spotsylvania School Board orders libraries to remove 'sexually explicit' books - The Free Lance-Star

The board also requested a report next week on the process by which books are selected for inclusion in digital and hard copy library collections at the different school levels and indicated that it will consider a division-wide library audit.

The criteria for pulling books from circulation this week is “sexually explicit,” but the board plans to refine how material is determined to be “objectionable” for a further review of library holdings.

The board voted 6–0 to order the removal. Berkeley District representative Erin Grampp was not in attendance for the vote on that issue.

Two board members, Courtland representative Rabih Abuismail and Livingston representative Kirk Twigg, said they would like to see the removed books burned.

“I think we should throw those books in a fire,” Abuismail said, and Twigg said he wants to “see the books before we burn them so we can identify within our community that we are eradicating this bad stuff.”

Monday evening’s discussion was spurred by parents of a Riverbend student, who brought their concerns to the meeting.

The mother said during public comments that she was initially alarmed by “LGBTQIA” fiction that she said was immediately made available upon accessing the library app. After doing more research, she discovered a book in the collection that she found more upsetting.

The book, “33 Snowfish” by Adam Rapp, concerns three homeless teenagers attempting to escape from pasts that include sexual abuse, prostitution and drug addiction.

But Abuismail said that whatever processes are in place “haven’t worked” and demanded an immediate audit of all school division library holdings.

He said he doesn’t like the idea of Rapp’s book being on school division library shelves for one more night and that the fact that it is in a school library means public schools “would rather have our kids reading gay pornography than about Christ.”

These people don't have a problem with their kids reading Song of Solomon and Revelations, though. :problem:

[carmenjonze]

Believe whomever you choose. We are discussing different points of view. I haven’t asked you to change your mind.

Read any critical race theory, yet?

[gounion]

That’s vastly different than claiming my experience superior. I don’t know that I made any claims as far as legitimacy. I think all I’ve said is that I don’t agree with everything the man says and also that he is not always right nor is he the only expert in his field.

Nowhere did I ever make the claims you attributed to me. So you clearly and deliberately misrepresented what I have posted. You do so while lecturing me on honesty. So much for your “honesty” and “integrity”.

Yes, you've claimed over and over that your opinion is just as legit as Fauci. Now, hilariously, you deny it.

And we don't have to worry about ANYTHING about YOUR "honesty" and "integrity", as you have admitted you lied and made up shit about me. I just tell the truth about the shit you write here. Deal with it.

[carmenjonze]

Remember this?

Dr. Seuss book sales soar after 6 titles were pulled - Daily Journal

Conservatives soon responded with allegations of "cancel culture," as Fox News provided extensive coverage and such prominent Republicans as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy released videos of themselves reading from Seuss books.

so much for letting the market decide and the freedom of enterprise to operate their companies how they see fit.

:problem:

[carmenjonze]

These anti-CRT karens in the news could really give a crap what this little girl experienced regarding race in public schools, I can guarantee it.

Community mourns Utah 10-year-old who died by suicide after her mom says she was bullied for being Black and autistic - Salt Lake Tribune

Izzy’s death comes about two weeks after the U.S. Department of Justice issued a scathing report from a lengthy investigation into Davis School District’s serious mishandling of reports of racism there.

Investigators found that district administrators intentionally ignored “serious and widespread” racial harassment in its schools for years — failing to respond to hundreds of reports from Black students after they have been called slaves, the N-word, and heard threats that they would be lynched.

A few kids of color said they felt the predominantly white school district in northern Utah was condoning the way they were treated by taking no action, even when teachers directly witnessed discrimination. Some employees, they added, participated in it.

Tichenor-Cox said she believes her daughter’s case that started this fall was handled with callousness and disregard — even after those findings became public and the district promised change.

Davis School District issued a statement Monday saying it was working “extensively with the family” to resolve the case and “will continue to provide help to them and others impacted by this tragedy.”

Thoughts and prayers.

[carmenjonze]

Michael Harriot
@michaelharriot

According to the current narrative, Black people somehow secretly gained control of America’s education system. But instead of addressing disparities in funding, resources & access to advanced courses

Apparently, we just decided to make white kids cry during social studies class

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/stat ... 3175614464

[JoeMemphis]

Yes, you've claimed over and over that your opinion is just as legit as Fauci. Now, hilariously, you deny it.

And we don't have to worry about ANYTHING about YOUR "honesty" and "integrity", as you have admitted you lied and made up shit about me. I just tell the truth about the shit you write here. Deal with it.

I have never used to word legit regarding Fauci. Another lie from you. Show me the post. Can you debate anyone about anything without misrepresenting and/or lying about what they say? You are unequaled on this board and the ESMB for this type of deceptive posting.

You whine when you get treated as you treat others. You are not worth the effort.

[carmenjonze]

I have never used to word legit regarding Fauci. Another lie from you. Show me the post. Can you debate anyone about anything without misrepresenting and/or lying about what they say? You are unequaled on this board and the ESMB for this type of deceptive posting.

You whine when you get treated as you treat others. You are not worth the effort.

Konservative kancel kulture is directly tied to you guys' disease-spreading, anti-maksing, anti-LGBTQ ideology.

Goddard school district orders 29 books removed from circulation - KMUW

WICHITA, Kansas — The Goddard school district has removed more than two dozen books from circulation in the district’s school libraries, citing national attention and challenges to the books elsewhere.

The list of books includes several well-known novels, including “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood, “The Bluest Eye” by Toni Morrison, “The Hate U Give” by Angie Thomas and “The Perks of Being a Wallflower” by Stephen Chbosky.

It also includes “Fences,” a play by August Wilson that won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama in 1987, and “They Called Themselves the K.K.K.,” a historical look at how the white supremacist group took root in America.

Julie Cannizzo, assistant superintendent for academic affairs in Goddard, sent an email to principals and librarians last week with the list of 29 books.

“At this time, the district is not in a position to know if the books contained on this list meet our educational goals or not,” Cannizzo wrote in the email. “Additionally, we need to gain a better understanding of the processes utilized to select books for our school libraries.

“For these reasons, please do not allow any of these books to be checked out while we are in the process of gathering more information. If a book on this list is currently checked out, please do (not) allow it to be checked out again once it's returned.”

[gounion]

I have never used to word legit regarding Fauci. Another lie from you. Show me the post. Can you debate anyone about anything without misrepresenting and/or lying about what they say? You are unequaled on this board and the ESMB for this type of deceptive posting.

You whine when you get treated as you treat others. You are not worth the effort.

Bullshit. You've done it all along, and showed links that said you were right - when you never were. ProfX has you dead to rights too. Plus, you've often attacked Fauci and his legitimacy, as if you have the expertise to judge him on anything other than the FACT that he is seen as the foremost expert on infectious disease in our nation, with a long career of accomplishments. But then, Trump attacked him, so I guess you once again took your cues from him. If Trump says he's no good, why should you pay attention to him, right?

Nah, I never lied about you. Just talked about the things you admitted, like your work in Big Pharma. You, on the other hand, made shit up out of whole cloth, and you've now admitted doing so. Want that link?

Fact is, you don't know shit, and I'd say your "cousin" is all made up too, since you never mentioned him in a year and a half. But we know you're good at making shit up.

[ZoWie]

All this fuss about wearing a damn mask. The emotional content has gone beyond all reality, indicating to me that it's no longer about covid at all. It's become one of those symbolic things, and it's now about all the other digital twaddle that passes for ideas in this current political dark age that we find ourselves enduring.

Personally, I just put the damn thing on and shut up about it. I don't see all the fuss. If there's one chance in 1000 that the mask might protect me, well I get within range of 1000 total strangers a year easy in the big city. That's still potentially a year without covid. Maybe those who are exposed mostly to tree squirrels and dog shit have other issues.

Yesterday a guy stormed into a market near here without a mask, engaged a security guard who politely instructed him to mask up or leave, and ended up in a knife fight with the guard. He lost. He's in serious condition with multiple stab wounds. All I can think is that any other security guard in this city would have just fucking shot him. Is your life worth it?

I saw a guy wearing an American flag shirt stride proudly into in a full elevator, in a fucking health center for chrissake, completely maskless. A health center, full of people with cases of who-knows-what, and potentially more vulnerable to infection. Does he think God and the flag will stop him from unknowingly infecting others, or them from infecting him, or does he just think covid is a liberal cancel culture plot, or does he hope they get sick, or what?????? People..... this is getting stupid.

Honestly... is a piece of cloth worth it?

[JoeMemphis]

Bullshit. You've done it all along, and showed links that said you were right - when you never were. ProfX has you dead to rights too. Plus, you've often attacked Fauci and his legitimacy, as if you have the expertise to judge him on anything other than the FACT that he is seen as the foremost expert on infectious disease in our nation, with a long career of accomplishments. But then, Trump attacked him, so I guess you once again took your cues from him. If Trump says he's no good, why should you pay attention to him, right?

Nah, I never lied about you. Just talked about the things you admitted, like your work in Big Pharma. You, on the other hand, made shit up out of whole cloth, and you've now admitted doing so. Want that link?

Fact is, you don't know shit, and I'd say your "cousin" is all made up too, since you never mentioned him in a year and a half. But we know you're good at making shit up.

Well if that’s your opinion, I guess it’s a waste of both of our time to have any further discussion.

[carmenjonze]

Honestly... is a piece of cloth worth it?

There's a reason these insurrectionists are every bit as emotional about masks as they are about American history in public schools, LGBTQ characters in a library book, and trans girls on the basketball team.

They hate education, and the very idea of an educated populace frightens them. The very idea of a company taking their own racist books out of publication makes them violent. This is irrational behavior, and it's got a long history.