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How Joe Rogan’s Bernie Sanders Endorsement Split Progressives
It vindicates Sanders’ claim that he can attract support from right-leaning voters. But Rogan has a history of making transphobic and racist claims.
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The campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) promoted an endorsement from controversial comedian Joe Rogan on Thursday, igniting a debate among progressive activists: Should a candidate vying to lead the Democratic Party tout an endorsement from a man with a history of making racist and transphobic comments and elevating white nationalists?

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“If your idea of movement building is welcoming bigots without accountability while simultaneously shaming other progressives who may not agree 100% with your approach on advancing progressive goals, it’s going to be very hard for many folks to overlook that blatant inconsistency,” Charlotte Clymer, a Human Rights Campaign staffer, tweeted after the Sanders campaign promoted Rogan’s endorsement. Clymer declined to speak to HuffPost on the record. HRC put out a separate statement calling on Sanders to reconsider the endorsement.

Rogan, who has 5.7 million followers on Twitter and says his podcast gets close to 200 million downloads a month (including YouTube views), is difficult to pin down ideologically. He describes himself as mostly liberal, but espouses reactionary views. He has used his show to boost fringe far-right characters including white nationalist Stefan Molyneux, anti-feminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad, Proud Boys founder Gavin McGinnes, homophobic YouTuber Steven Crowder, and the actor Roseanne Barr, who used the platform to boost the QAnon conspiracy theory. Rogan has criticized feminists, compared a black neighborhood to “Planet of Apes,” and obsessed about “real women” getting “fucked over” by transgender athletes.

Rogan is (clearly) a staunch critic of “politically correct” culture, and has become popular within the alt-right, the fringe ideology that believes “white identity” is under attack by social justice liberals. “The Joe Rogan Experience has become one of the internet’s foremost vectors for anti-wokeness,” Justin Peters wrote in Slate last year. “With its mellow, welcoming vibe, its pretense of common sense, and its general reluctance to push back on any of its guests’ ideas save for only the battiest, the podcast has become the factory where red pills get sugarcoated.”

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Sanders has made a point of using right-wing media to sell his left-wing agenda to a broader audience. Early on in his campaign, he participated in a Fox News town hall. When he described his plan to abolish private health insurance and provide every American with government health care, many of Fox’s hand-picked audience members cheered in support. Notably, his primary progressive opponent, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), has refused to go on Fox News, a network she described as a “hate-for-profit racket.”

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“I do feel like there is a sense of a wink and nod going on here from the Bernie campaign. That it is okay to have these kinds of views and be part of my campaign,” progressive strategist Murshed Zaheed told HuffPost. “It is not in dispute that communities of color, LGBTQ communities have been under direct assault ... The Trump administration has used every mechanism in his disposal to suppress and hurt these communities. The question becomes as a Democrat, what do we stand for?

“Rogan can be whatever he wants. Rogan can vote for whoever he wants. But the issue is whether a Democratic campaign should be promoting him as a key endorsement,” said Zaheed, who supports Warren.

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I agree with you Zaheed (and Clymer). 100%. Look, isn't there an inconsistency of message when you say you want to broaden your appeal to right wingers, but then reject anybody on the Left who is not 100% onboard with all of your "socialist" plans as part of some despised "establishment"?

BTW, Rogan is basically a Libertarian, and I do appreciate the way he sometimes takes on the drug war, but he regularly has on fringe alt right guests.
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Joe Rogan has Eddie Bravo on to proclaim "QAnon is real!"
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From Joe Rogan to the Far Right: Inside YouTube's Alt-Media Ecosystem
"Really, it is this fully fledged different media system with a totally different logic than mainstream media."
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Still, the recommendation algorithm can direct users toward more extreme content. On Rogan’s YouTube page, one of the “Related Channels” is the official channel for Steven Crowder, a deeply conservative YouTube entertainer known for unintentionally starting the “Change My Mind” meme during a college demonstration designed to “own the libs.”

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In June 2019, YouTube investigated Crowder for using racist and homophobic slurs targeting Carlos Maza in multiple videos reacting to the Vox series Strikethrough, which Maza hosts. Crowder referred to Maza as "Mr. Lispy queer", an "angry little queer", and a "gay Mexican", and mocked him with a stereotypical gay voice, sometimes while wearing a t-shirt with Che Guevara on it that said "Socialism is for f*gs [sic]".[3] In addition, Maza said that Crowder's fans have doxxed and harassed him.[28]
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Crowder almost had his channel banned from youtube over this, but it was merely demonetized. Rogan appears to be a fan.

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Rogan is also a personal friend of Alex Jones[5] and has been featured several times on InfoWars together with Alex, also providing "InfoWars-exclusive interviews".

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Despite having a "feud" last year, Joe and Alex remain personal friends, and even "made up" on the show in December. Joe still promotes Alex, despite disagreeing with him on Sandy Hook.
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ProfessorX » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:16 am wrote:How Joe Rogan’s Bernie Sanders Endorsement Split Progressives
It vindicates Sanders’ claim that he can attract support from right-leaning voters.
I didn’t even know he made this claim.

But yes the strategy is clear. This is classic bus-throwing of everyone else to appeal to MAGAhats. And really, why wouldn’t he. Berniebro ≈ MAGAhat. Misogynist, racist as hell, resentful towards trans persons, seething about having to go to workplace sensitivity training, dismissive in general about liberal social matters, insistent on centering their desires and maintaining their personal sense of social status. There is very little light between them.

But then, a lot of people have been making this observation about these people since at least 2015. They are the selfsame “progressives” screaming at us to shut up about gay marriage because it’ll scare away “the white working class,” (as if none of these so-called white working class are LGBTQs who might want to get married :roll:).

And also but then, this type of thing is exactly why I quit calling myself a “progressive” basically two decades ago. Progressives like these can go jump in the lake.

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Nope, not at all prof, because that is a MYTH. Remember the fishing poles? My advice is triple antibiotic for a few days, but not the inside of your mouth.

lol @ Clymer & Hillary.... well of course who woulda thought they would be named in the article. Stop falling for this bs, my gawd. You guys talk about wanting "blue no matter who," but then fall for BS propaganda/talking points only created to divide.

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Bernie racist, lol not even worth a comment.

You need some sensitivity training sister.

The sad part is your tactics hurt the very causes you are trying to fight for. Of course this would never occur to you, because of the way you see the world. Your contempt and resentment of whitey is seen time and time again ooozing out, but hey Lib/justme are eager cucks... and prof is passive with just about everyone from what I have seen. I guess this is the type of behavior you're use to from the white people that do have the unfortunate pleasure of being your "friend." Guess that treatment just helps reaffirm those beliefs of yours.

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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:20 pm wrote:Bernie racist, lol not even worth a comment.

You need some sensitivity training sister.

The sad part is your tactics hurt the very causes you are trying to fight for. Of course this would never occur to you, because of the way you see the world. Your contempt and resentment of whitey is seen time and time again ooozing out, but hey Lib/justme are eager cucks... and prof is passive with just about everyone from what I have seen. I guess this is the type of behavior you're use to from the white people that do have the unfortunate pleasure of being your "friend." Guess that treatment just helps reaffirm those beliefs of yours.
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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:17 pm wrote:Nope, not at all prof, because that is a MYTH.
What is? That Joe Rogan is pals with Alex Jones, that he promotes Steven Crowder, that he regularly has alt right guests on his show, or that he's transphobic? All of that is true.

Explain to me why I - or Bernie for that matter - should ignore all that? I know I won't.
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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:20 pm wrote: Your contempt and resentment of whitey is seen time and time again ooozing out,
So: if she "hates whitey," why is she supporting Elizabeth Warren who happens to be (other than 1/1024 NA) .... white?

That must be because she hates men, right? :roll:

Sam was the one who supported Harris out of the gate - a black woman.
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As far as this "strategy" itself, of course I can't speak to it exactly anymore than you can. What I can say is that it is smart, as I said in another thread, the GOP is vulnerable as hell here. Just because the DNC has it's head up it's ass doesn't mean everyone else has to, and here I thought most dems like to think they are the big-tent party. Complaining when you lose an election, but when it comes to going out to get those votes you're gonna nitpick? "No, hes not gay enough" "No, he doesn't support civil rights enough" "No, she voted for Bush" "No, she watches Last Man Standing."

Jeez maybe those on the right leaning side of the spectrum do have some legitimate reasons to be afraid of "gov takeover" by the dems. Lol

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ProfessorX » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:30 pm wrote:
What is? That Joe Rogan is pals with Alex Jones, that he promotes Steven Crowder, that he regularly has alt right guests on his show, or that he's transphobic? All of that is true.
prof who gives a shit are u kidding me?

I never liked joe rogan even before I knew all this stuff about him, just the way he carried himself, and went about his business getting the UFC up. Assuming this is the same guy... my point is WHO CARES... this is NOT news or even worth discussion. Some blowhard that fits in with a whole whopping what 2% of the country. Why do I care? Just because he is borderline celeb?

And more to the point how is it a negative toward Bernie? Give me a break this is nothing burger... just bullshit put out there like all the rest of it to paint Bernie in a negative light with the low IQ that are affected by this stuff.

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ProfessorX » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:32 pm wrote:
So: if she "hates whitey," why is she supporting Elizabeth Warren who happens to be (other than 1/1024 NA) .... white?

That must be because she hates men, right? :roll:

Sam was the one who supported Harris out of the gate - a black woman.
She has some clear contempt and resentments against white people, plain and simple. If you can't see that I feel for ya.

I am sure she has her reasons, but at its base so do white racists. You get that right?

That being said I can understand and empathize with my AA brothers and sisters, which includes Carmen, considering they have more than enough to be pissed about.

I just wish Carmen was a bit more self-aware, that's all. She is totally oblivious to the fact that she hurt her own causes with this stuff as well, so it's not just for my pleasure lol.

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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:44 pm wrote: She has some clear contempt and resentments against white people, plain and simple. If you can't see that I feel for ya.
I can't see it because it isn't true.

BTW, I keep asking people to prove that statement. Nobody seems to be able to. Therefore, I consider it bullshit.

Prove she hates white people. Put up, or shut up.
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I never said she hates all white people, I said she has contempt, and deep resentments. If you can't see that maybe you should try harder, I am almost positive you have enough IQ points to do so. So literally does the SAME exact stuff that she ACCUSES of others, other who almost always end up white.

I was just going to write this segment in the other thread, but I will carry it over here since you asked. A prime example is her assuming I am some white fk-boy/redneck/combo from the burbs or some shit mocking black culture. Along with all the other bs assumptions she has made, and continues to make. All these assumptions due to her clear contempt for white people, I'm sorry it's true, but it is. Normally I would just ignore such insignificance, just as I would some random wannabe klan member, but since we are here and she does damage to a cause I care about might as well rip the band-aid off.

Naww... I said it, because there is clearly something deep in there that has affected her causing a clear identity crisis. Most of us just roll our eyes when we see Carmen coming down the street. However Carmen maybe didn't see many Carmen's coming down her street growing up? middle-upper class im guessing? private school? maybe a white parent for a cherry on top? Multiple combos?

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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:40 pm wrote:I never said she hates all white people, I said she has contempt, and deep resentments. If you can't see that maybe you should try harder, I am almost positive you have enough IQ points to do so. So literally does the SAME exact stuff that she ACCUSES of others, other who almost always end up white.

I was just going to write this segment in the other thread, but I will carry it over here since you asked. A prime example is her assuming I am some white fk-boy/redneck/combo from the burbs or some shit mocking black culture. Along with all the other bs assumptions she has made, and continues to make. All these assumptions due to her clear contempt for white people, I'm sorry it's true, but it is. Normally I would just ignore such insignificance, just as I would some random wannabe klan member, but since we are here and she does damage to a cause I care about might as well rip the band-aid off.

Naww... I said it, because there is clearly something deep in there that has affected her causing a clear identity crisis. Most of us just roll our eyes when we see Carmen coming down the street. However Carmen maybe didn't see many Carmen's coming down her street growing up? middle-upper class im guessing? private school? maybe a white parent for a cherry on top? Multiple combos?
no the prime example is you coming to this board and calling her out in your first post all the while admitting you used to post here and were banned blah blah blah.

lol call me a toadie but i am tired of 2nd rate pretend psychologists without a fucking clue talking about someone to others.
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Sock is trolling.

Troll sock, troll.
RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:40 am wrote:I never said she hates all white people, I said she has contempt, and deep resentments. If you can't see that maybe you should try harder, I am almost positive you have enough IQ points to do so. So literally does the SAME exact stuff that she ACCUSES of others, other who almost always end up white.

I was just going to write this segment in the other thread, but I will carry it over here since you asked. A prime example is her assuming I am some white fk-boy/redneck/combo from the burbs or some shit mocking black culture. Along with all the other bs assumptions she has made, and continues to make. All these assumptions due to her clear contempt for white people, I'm sorry it's true, but it is. Normally I would just ignore such insignificance, just as I would some random wannabe klan member, but since we are here and she does damage to a cause I care about might as well rip the band-aid off.

Naww... I said it, because there is clearly something deep in there that has affected her causing a clear identity crisis. Most of us just roll our eyes when we see Carmen coming down the street. However Carmen maybe didn't see many Carmen's coming down her street growing up? middle-upper class im guessing? private school? maybe a white parent for a cherry on top? Multiple combos?
This thread is about Bernie Sanders acceptance of Joe Rogans endorsement

Interesting that you’ve reduced it to your fantasies and guesswork about me.
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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:40 pm wrote:I never said she hates all white people, I said she has contempt, and deep resentments. If you can't see that maybe you should try harder, I am almost positive you have enough IQ points to do so. So literally does the SAME exact stuff that she ACCUSES of others, other who almost always end up white.

I was just going to write this segment in the other thread, but I will carry it over here since you asked. A prime example is her assuming I am some white fk-boy/redneck/combo from the burbs or some shit mocking black culture. Along with all the other bs assumptions she has made, and continues to make. All these assumptions due to her clear contempt for white people, I'm sorry it's true, but it is. Normally I would just ignore such insignificance, just as I would some random wannabe klan member, but since we are here and she does damage to a cause I care about might as well rip the band-aid off.

Naww... I said it, because there is clearly something deep in there that has affected her causing a clear identity crisis. Most of us just roll our eyes when we see Carmen coming down the street. However Carmen maybe didn't see many Carmen's coming down her street growing up? middle-upper class im guessing? private school? maybe a white parent for a cherry on top? Multiple combos?
How overflowing with insight you be. Deducing hints of Carmen's past like that. "middle-upper class im guessing? private school? maybe a white parent for a cherry on top? Multiple combos?"

Would be an impressive astounding display of deduction skills except you've been here and show some familiarly with Carmen such that you would be familiar with her self professed legend, and thus already know what you're pretending to deduce. Fudging it a bit to make it seem like you're deep.


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A lot of deflection, guess I am on the right track.

But it's ok for Carmen to do that, and far worse on a daily basis.

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Troll.
RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:02 pm wrote:A lot of deflection, guess I am on the right track.

But it's ok for Carmen to do that, and far worse on a daily basis.
Carmen is not the thread topic. Nor is your irrational, rage-filled obsession with me. Please don't go shoot up your downtown, but this is how incels act.

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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:40 pm wrote: A prime example is her assuming I am some white fk-boy/redneck/combo from the burbs or some shit mocking black culture.
Show me where she assumed that. She did take issue with some "lingo" you used - yeah.

Q: have you ever said you were white? Did she ever say you were white? Why would you think her reacting to you had to do with your (putative) whiteness?

Look, we say about ourselves as much or as little as we want to here. You could clear this one up. Are you white?
Naww... I said it, because there is clearly something deep in there that has affected her causing a clear identity crisis.
Fascinating. Do you have one? Who are you? I don't mean past usernames. You said you are suffering. What exactly?
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Have you taken a look at her posts to me? Are you trying to say she doesn't THINK I am white?

Am I in some alternate reality or what?

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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:04 pm wrote:Have you taken a look at her posts to me?
Don't complain. My posts to you give as good as I get.

Your first post was an effort to insult me and my friends. You haven't stopped the obsession with carmenjonze since you've been here.
Are you trying to say she doesn't THINK I am white?

Am I in some alternate reality or what?
You could actually ask me if I think you're white.

But that would require you set aside your presumptions.
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Yea she thought I was mocking, when no I wasn't... I was being serious.

You want to know what I think? Most militants I've come across seem to have identity problems. Maybe they didn't feel black enough growing up in the burbs. Maybe they didn't feel black enough with a white parent. etc etc... So they are overcompensating... or maybe they just have a low enough IQ to be totally brainwashed by a professor at Morehouse I dunno.

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carmenjonze » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:07 pm wrote:
You could actually ask me if I think you're white.

But that would require you set aside your presumptions.
If you didn't think I was white you wouldn't have made the posts youve made.

Stop playing games.

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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:04 pm wrote:Have you taken a look at her posts to me? Are you trying to say she doesn't THINK I am white?

Am I in some alternate reality or what?
I'm wondering. You seem to have psychic powers I don't have.

BTW, again, you don't have to answer, but I can wonder why you won't. Are you white? That's a simple yes or no question. (Or if you're bi/multi racial - as complicated as it is in reality.)

Is it possible the negative reactions you're getting from her are due not to what she thinks or perceives of your race (which remains unstated) but based on the things you've SAID? (Also it could be due to other factors, but not your race.)

Incidentally, I find it hilarious you think she's a "militant".
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RealityCheck » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:08 pm wrote:Yea she thought I was mocking, when no I wasn't... I was being serious.
People with your attitudes are often cavalier in their view of Black Vernacular English, in exactly the ways you've tried it on this board.

And anybody delusional enough to actually believe I am a "militant" :lol: has never known any actual "militants". See below:
You want to know what I think? Most militants I've come across seem to have identity problems. Maybe they didn't feel black enough growing up in the burbs. Maybe they didn't feel black enough with a white parent. etc etc... So they are overcompensating... or maybe they just have a low enough IQ to be totally brainwashed by a professor at Morehouse I dunno.
Guesswork.

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