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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:41 pm When it comes to Ukraine we should support whatever our military and intelligence agencies recommend.

But, what does that have to do with the democratic party supporting socialist
Generals do NOT run this country, Glenn. We are not a military dictatorship. And the Ukraine is about world politics, and that’s outside the purview of the armed forces.

Wish you understood how this nation works; if you did, you would buy into everything Trump sells you.
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:33 am Generals do NOT run this country, Glenn. We are not a military dictatorship. And the Ukraine is about world politics, and that’s outside the purview of the armed forces.

Wish you understood how this nation works; if you did, you would buy into everything Trump sells you.
Why are you being such an asshole. I know how our country runs just as much as you do.
It is obvious ti anyone who isn't being an asshole that what I was saying is the president be they Biden, Trump or anyone else should take the advice of our military professionals when it comes to Ukraine
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:01 pm Why are you being such an asshole. I know how our country runs just as much as you do.
It is obvious ti anyone who isn't being an asshole that what I was saying is the president be they Biden, Trump or anyone else should take the advice of our military professionals when it comes to Ukraine
They should TAKE the advice - but you were saying they should do whatever the Generals wanted to do.

And that’s NOT what they should do. You’re just pissed that Biden has done a great job of putting NATO together and keeping them together against Russia.

And it’s YOUR side that wants to end all support of the Ukraine. And you’re fine with that. Your Congressman, Ralph Norman in May 2022 voted NO on funding the Ukraine’s fight for freedom.

And you voted for him anyway.
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:27 pm They should TAKE the advice - but you were saying they should do whatever the Generals wanted to do.

And that’s NOT what they should do. You’re just pissed that Biden has done a great job of putting NATO together and keeping them together against Russia.

And it’s YOUR side that wants to end all support of the Ukraine. And you’re fine with that. Your Congressman, Ralph Norman in May 2022 voted NO on funding the Ukraine’s fight for freedom.

And you voted for him anyway.


You are doingbthe union contract speak thing. Taking every word literal as opposed to what I was obviously saying.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:55 pm You are doingbthe union contract speak thing. Taking every word literal as opposed to what I was obviously saying.
Bullshit. I just called you on your bullshit - not wanting to give Biden a bit of credit.

So, if you support The Ukraine, why did you vote for Ralph Norman who voted against ANY Ukraine funding?
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:59 pm Bullshit. I just called you on your bullshit - not wanting to give Biden a bit of credit.

So, if you support The Ukraine, why did you vote for Ralph Norman who voted against ANY Ukraine funding?


Only in your mind again you knew exactly what knew exactly what I was saying and are just being an asshole.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:03 pm Only in your mind again you knew exactly what knew exactly what I was saying and are just being an asshole.
You never want to give a democrat credit for anything. Biden had done a masterful job on this war.

Why do you vote for a Congressman who wants Putin to win?
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:03 pm Only in your mind again you knew exactly what knew exactly what I was saying and are just being an asshole.
OK.

The back and forth between you and GoU is whatever.

The actual issue in this thread is you and your non-stop, fucking bullshit about socialism. You are not a fucking canary in a coal mine. There is NO FUCKING THREAT to God, apple pie and the “AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE” from Bernie Sanders.

You understand NOTHING about political economy. You posted a bullshit link about defining socialism that had little to no reference to the actual real world.

So STFU about the “sewer of socialism” because you don’t know what that even fucking means.
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bird wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:48 pm OK.

The back and forth between you and GoU is whatever.

The actual issue in this thread is you and your non-stop, fucking bullshit about socialism. You are not a fucking canary in a coal mine. There is NO FUCKING THREAT to God, apple pie and the “AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE” from Bernie Sanders.

You understand NOTHING about political economy. You posted a bullshit link about defining socialism that had little to no reference to the actual real world.

So STFU about the “sewer of socialism” because you don’t know what that even fucking means.
Bernie Sanders is a socialist
The democratic party once again have gave him an important position
The democratic party supports socialism

Socialism is a sewer
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gounion wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:39 am Still trying to figure out how the right can be anti-communist and pro-Putin at the same time...
Well, let's use your standard.
From time to time I disagree with some of what the left says about Trump.
You say that means I defend Trump
You say because, in your opinion I defend Trump that makes me a Trump supporter.

On this thread you have defended Bernie Sanders, a socialist more than once.

So and again by your standards does that make you a socialist
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You know the difference between Left Authoritarian and Right Authoritarian?

Not a damn thing. Both will fuck whoever they can to maintain power and keep those who support and insulate them happy.

Every authoritarian system is a risk. Bread and circuses are needed, distractions required, enemies provided.

Concentrated power which arbitrarily includes concentrated wealth is inherently dangerous to itself, the system it tries to protect and those outside the Forbidden City. That is the fertile soil that grows revolution.

Hell, the American Revolution is an excellent example.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:00 pm Bernie Sanders is a socialist
The democratic party once again have gave him an important position
The democratic party supports socialism

Socialism is a sewer
And you are a fucking idiot.

The Republican Party is worse than a sewer. It is a malignancy on this country. And. You. Are. Part. Of. The. Malignancy.

You. Are. A. Fascist. And. You. Don’t. Give. A. Shit.

So spare me and everyone else your goddamn crap for once.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:00 pm Bernie Sanders is a socialist
The democratic party once again have gave him an important position
The democratic party supports socialism
Please don''t use words you don't know the meaning of. We're still waiting for you to tell us what socialism is.
Socialism is a sewer
The U.S. military is a socialist system so if socialism is a sewer then you're saying the U.S. military, and it's personnel, are a sewer. Why do you hate our military so much?
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Number6 wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:19 pm Please don''t use words you don't know the meaning of. We're still waiting for you to tell us what socialism is.


The U.S. military is a socialist system so if socialism is a sewer then you're saying the U.S. military, and it's personnel, are a sewer. Why do you hate our military so much?
Ok why don't you explain what socialism is
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:51 pm Ok why don't you explain what socialism is
Nope, you're the one using the term "socialism" as a pejorative" and by doing so it is up to you to define it.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:06 pm Nope, you're the one using the term "socialism" as a pejorative" and by doing so it is up to you to define it.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/democracy-on-the-ballot/
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Wow. They’re such a threat. Run and hide little boy.
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Okay, so you've defined it. But none of us on this board are members of the CPUSA, so by your own definition, none of us are socialists.
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OK, there were Communists who called it socialism, but even they had vast stretches of ideological real estate between them, as in Stalin's "Socialism In One Country" vs the worldwide movement advocated by Lenin's Internationale. It doesn't stop there. Like I'm always saying, there was a German rabble rouser called Adolph who called his party socialism too. Any label that's been used for ideologies ranging from the Paris Commune to the Third Reich is getting a bit stretched, bent, and mutilated.

Yes, Bernie Sanders says he's a socialist, but he caucuses with the Democrats and votes consistently with that party. Bernie actually makes sense most of the time. His idea of socialism is closer to business as usual in Western Europe. Where I come from, that's Socialism Lite. Many of the countries doing it are monarchies. They have completely over-the-top upper classes that congregate in well-guarded resorts to take in a yacht race or a Grand Prix. Glenn could go online, run some searches, and find out what REAL socialist parties advocate, and it's not even close to Bernie. The left is the ultimate Big Tent. A little too big, in fact.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:27 am OK, there were Communists who called it socialism, but even they had vast stretches of ideological real estate between them, as in Stalin's "Socialism In One Country" vs the worldwide movement advocated by Lenin's Internationale. It doesn't stop there. Like I'm always saying, there was a German rabble rouser called Adolph who called his party socialism too. Any label that's been used for ideologies ranging from the Paris Commune to the Third Reich is getting a bit stretched, bent, and mutilated.

Yes, Bernie Sanders says he's a socialist, but he caucuses with the Democrats and votes consistently with that party. Bernie actually makes sense most of the time. His idea of socialism is closer to business as usual in Western Europe. Where I come from, that's Socialism Lite. Many of the countries doing it are monarchies. They have completely over-the-top upper classes that congregate in well-guarded resorts to take in a yacht race or a Grand Prix. Glenn could go online, run some searches, and find out what REAL socialist parties advocate, and it's not even close to Bernie. The left is the ultimate Big Tent. A little too big, in fact.

https://www.dsausa.org/

I have many times and find it to be socialism rebranded
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We have different ideas on what constitutes socialism, and whether or not it is an accurate label for anything to the left of where you are. I can live with that.
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You didn't define what "socialism" is by posting a link to a communist party website. Communism and socialism are two different animals.

Let me make it clearer, in your words, define what socialism is.
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gounion wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:05 am Okay, so you've defined it. But none of us on this board are members of the CPUSA, so by your own definition, none of us are socialists.
No, he didn't define what socialism is. He never defined it and posting a link to a communist party website isn't defining socialism. He can't define what socialism is because he doesn't know what it is. To him, it's like a blind man trying to describe what a pelican looks like.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:04 pm We have different ideas on what constitutes socialism, and whether or not it is an accurate label for anything to the left of where you are. I can live with that.

I know GoU likes to point out that the democratic socialist party and socialist like Bernie Sanders say they aren't for government ownership of the means of production.
But when I look at their site they claim they are for corporations ran democratically. Which in my way of thinking is simply rebranding.
If corporations are ran democratically then we the people through our elected representatives will be running corporations.
Or in other words our corporations would be ran by the government
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Number6 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:23 pm You didn't define what "socialism" is by posting a link to a communist party website. Communism and socialism are two different animals.

Let me make it clearer, in your words, define what socialism is.
You first
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