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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:05 pm What should the folks in LA, SF, Chicago, and NY do? Sounds like they should be voting folks out. The problems there are far worse.
You don't have any problem with what the elected officials in Tennessee are doing, then?

Of course you don't. But if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd feel differently.
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:12 pm You don't have any problem with what the elected officials in Tennessee are doing, then?

Of course you don't. But if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd feel differently.
I never supported constitutional carry if that’s your question. I also don’t support protests that aren’t civil or peaceful. So if those representatives violated their ethical obligation to their fellow representatives, they exercise their rights knowing there are consequences.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:30 pm I never supported constitutional carry if that’s your question. I also don’t support protests that aren’t civil or peaceful. So if those representatives violated their ethical obligation to their fellow representatives, they exercise their rights knowing there are consequences.
They were peaceful. They had their rights. But you don't give a shit for the rights of liberals, do you? Lock'em up, right?
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:03 pm They were peaceful. They had their rights. But you don't give a shit for the rights of liberals, do you? Lock'em up, right?
Who got locked up?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:23 pm Who got locked up?
That's what you want to do to all us liberals, right? Fuck rule of law, right?

If someone dares to speak truth to power, they DESERVED to be attacked with the full power of government, right?

If Tennessee Democratic Lawmakers dare to speak up, the GOP lawmakers have the right to expel them, right?
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:30 pm That's what you want to do to all us liberals, right? Fuck rule of law, right?

If someone dares to speak truth to power, they DESERVED to be attacked with the full power of government, right?

If Tennessee Democratic Lawmakers dare to speak up, the GOP lawmakers have the right to expel them, right?
So who got locked up? Or is that just another unsubstantiated, unfounded claim we so commonly hear from you?

Rebutting a known habitual liar is a waste of time. That’s you. Waste of time.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:47 pm So who got locked up? Or is that just another unsubstantiated, unfounded claim we so commonly hear from you?

Rebutting a known habitual liar is a waste of time. That’s you. Waste of time.
No, expecting you to stand for rule of law is the waste of time.
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:55 pm No, expecting you to stand for rule of law is the waste of time.
Expecting you to understand the rule of law is the waste of time. People aren’t moving out of those cities I mentioned because they are afraid of TN or Fl or TX. They are moving to get away from people who have no concept of law and order. Folks like you.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:55 pm Expecting you to understand the rule of law is the waste of time. People aren’t moving out of those cities I mentioned because they are afraid of TN or Fl or TX. They are moving to get away from people who have no concept of law and order. Folks like you.
Yeah, it's fine to run all the gays out because of your hatred, isn't it? It's soooo funny how you used to pretend you SUPPORTED gay rights - but when the GOP proved they hated gay rights, you jumped right on board with them, didn't you? The Nazis would be proud.
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Joe Memphis doesn’t give a shit about the rule of law. He votes for people who want to defund the DOJ and who worship a criminal.
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gounion wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:44 am Yeah, it's fine to run all the gays out because of your hatred, isn't it? It's soooo funny how you used to pretend you SUPPORTED gay rights - but when the GOP proved they hated gay rights, you jumped right on board with them, didn't you? The Nazis would be proud.
I have to laugh at this. You are big on knowing your limitations and you have certainly shown yours. You know a fellow poster is out of gas when they resort to labeling other posters as racists, bigots or Nazis. It’s juvenile. It’s weak. It’s stupid. But then again, that’s has never stopped you from going there. Perhaps that’s why you sit at the table alone. You demonstrate time after time, post after post, that you are incapable of discussion without resorting to such childish tactics and why any discussion with you is a waste of time.

We all know you limitations even though you may not know them yourself.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:37 am I have to laugh at this. You are big on knowing your limitations and you have certainly shown yours. You know a fellow poster is out of gas when they resort to labeling other posters as racists, bigots or Nazis. It’s juvenile. It’s weak. It’s stupid. But then again, that’s has never stopped you from going there. Perhaps that’s why you sit at the table alone. You demonstrate time after time, post after post, that you are incapable of discussion without resorting to such childish tactics and why any discussion with you is a waste of time.

We all know you limitations even though you may not know them yourself.
You support everything DeSantis is doing, including going after gays. Remember how many times you told us you fully supported gay marriage and gay rights? Suddenly you don't. There's nothing that the GOP can do that you don't support. You're not a conservative, you're a far-right ideologue.

It's funny how you ran away from the other thread and are now trying your ass on this one.
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These guys are part of a cult. They vote for a brand. Doesn’t matter where that brand goes.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:05 pm What should the folks in LA, SF, Chicago, and NY do? Sounds like they should be voting folks out. The problems there are far worse.
they should vote all the regressives out.

https://twitter.com/SherylCrow/status/1 ... 5517402115
Pay attention to what’s happening in Tennessee….
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Motor City wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:43 am they should vote all the regressives out.

https://twitter.com/SherylCrow/status/1 ... 5517402115
Fortunately I do not live in those areas and so don’t really have a say either way. They clearly have a problem and clearly have lost control over their streets. So whatever they or their leadership is doing is not working. So maybe they do need make better decisions next election.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:04 am Fortunately I do not live in those areas and so don’t really have a say either way. They clearly have a problem and clearly have lost control over their streets. So whatever they or their leadership is doing is not working. So maybe they do need make better decisions next election.
Of course, flooding the streets with guns is the answer, right?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:04 am

Fortunately I do not live in those areas and so don’t really have a say either way. They clearly have a problem and clearly have lost control over their streets. So whatever they or their leadership is doing is not working. So maybe they do need make better decisions next election.
This is what kids are saying from streets all across the country. They havent been made safe and are in fear for their lives, instead of hearing their cries adults are making buisiness and industry and politics out of the danger.

Thousands participate in national school walkout after Nashville shooting, urge gun control
Thousands of students walked out of classes across the country Wednesday to demand lawmakers take action on gun safety following the mass shooting at an elementary school in Nashville, Tennessee, last week.

Advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety, which coordinated the walkouts through Students Demand Action, said there were more than 300 demonstrations across 41 states and D.C. to kick off a "week of action" by advocates and gun violence survivors.

Ryley Collins, 15, a volunteer with Students Demand Action who helped lead a walkout at Jasper High School in Plano, Texas, said she and her classmates wanted to "make sure our lawmakers understand that we want more than just thoughts and prayers."

"We want to be safe in our schools and we want them to take action to protect our lives, not the gun industry's profits," Collins said......

...In Memphis, nearly a thousand students from two high schools walked out of classes for nearly an hour Wednesday. "We deserve to live and to learn without fear," said student organizer Sofia Gutierrez, a senior at Crosstown High School......

......In Maplewood, Missouri, more than 300 elementary, middle and high school students participated in demonstrations, said Ed Rich, spokesperson for the Maplewood Richmond Heights School District.

The district shared photos of the event at one elementary school showing 11-year-olds lined up against a playground fence, holding signs that read "Protect children not guns" and "We are the future." At the high school event, students observed six minutes of silence, representing each of the six victims of the Nashville school shooting, Rich said.
Looks to be a clear mandate to vote out the regressive public officials that are standing in the way.
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Motor City wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:02 am This is what kids are saying from streets all across the country. They havent been made safe and are in fear for their lives, instead of hearing their cries adults are making buisiness and industry and politics out of the danger.

Thousands participate in national school walkout after Nashville shooting, urge gun control



Looks to be a clear mandate to vote out the regressive public officials that are standing in the way.
A clear mandate? How do you figure? Folks protesting isn’t a mandate. It’s a protest and I would question whether it supports a majority of either the students or the electorate. I’m not against enhancing gun laws but I question whether it can be passed and whether it can be enforced and whether it will solve the problem. So passing a law that doesn’t solve the problem and cannot be enforced accomplishes what? Lastly, people are NOT going to entertain tighter gun laws unless and until we start to do something about enforcing laws currently on the books and doing something about problems with rising crime. If they cannot depend on the legal system to enforce laws and protect the electorate, they will take whatever steps they can to protect and defend themselves. I know people who have never owned a weapon in their life who are buying weapons for self protection because they do not believe the courts or law enforcement is capable of protecting them. Until that changes, people are not going to go for new gun laws.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:38 am A clear mandate? How do you figure? Folks protesting isn’t a mandate. It’s a protest and I would question whether it supports a majority of either the students or the electorate. I’m not against enhancing gun laws but I question whether it can be passed and whether it can be enforced and whether it will solve the problem. So passing a law that doesn’t solve the problem and cannot be enforced accomplishes what? Lastly, people are NOT going to entertain tighter gun laws unless and until we start to do something about enforcing laws currently on the books and doing something about problems with rising crime. If they cannot depend on the legal system to enforce laws and protect the electorate, they will take whatever steps they can to protect and defend themselves. I know people who have never owned a weapon in their life who are buying weapons for self protection because they do not believe the courts or law enforcement is capable of protecting them. Until that changes, people are not going to go for new gun laws.
I think that most Tennesseans love their children like most Americans and dont want them to experience violence that comes from selling people assault rifles. Its a pretty safe bet that most people dont want this for their children or loved ones. Its a protest because public officials arent hearing their constituents or representing them. I dont think gun laws will solve all of the problems either, but they dont have to, they will solve some and some that are critical to the process of mass shootings. We need to also address the inequality and mass despair coming from the inequalities of our systems of economics, justice, and democracy. This is critical to peoples security and belief in the rule of law. Were not all the same but under the law we are equal.

Instead of a legislative body that hears its constituents and includes them in the process of making the laws the Tennessee legislature excludes and silences them.

In a state fraught with racist history, GOP expulsion of "Tennessee Three" hits a nerve
Democratic Rep. Sam McKenzie of Knoxville, chairman of the Tennessee Black Caucus of State Legislatures, spoke to Knox News late Thursday night after the vote. He was beat up, tired out, worn down.

“This is a sad day for the state of Tennessee because I think what happened is the spotlight of what we’ve been enduring was exposed to the nation, really to the world," he said. "There’s just been a systemic push, a steady drum beat of marginalization both as a Democrat and then, as you see today, as a Black man.”....
To get laws that people respect and are enforceable you need a legislative body that doesnt do this type of stuff.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:38 am A clear mandate? How do you figure? Folks protesting isn’t a mandate. It’s a protest and I would question whether it supports a majority of either the students or the electorate. I’m not against enhancing gun laws but I question whether it can be passed and whether it can be enforced and whether it will solve the problem. So passing a law that doesn’t solve the problem and cannot be enforced accomplishes what? Lastly, people are NOT going to entertain tighter gun laws unless and until we start to do something about enforcing laws currently on the books and doing something about problems with rising crime. If they cannot depend on the legal system to enforce laws and protect the electorate, they will take whatever steps they can to protect and defend themselves. I know people who have never owned a weapon in their life who are buying weapons for self protection because they do not believe the courts or law enforcement is capable of protecting them. Until that changes, people are not going to go for new gun laws.
Everything you are saying is based upon falsehoods.

Crime is NOT rising. The ONE thing that's rising is mass shootings. Maybe if your Governor wasn't spending all his time going after Disney, he could look at our gun problems in his state.

Also, people DO want gun restrictions to be passed. https://news.gallup.com/poll/470588/dis ... -high.aspx

How do you enforce laws when people can buy whatever they want and they can carry it all over the place without so much as a permit? I mean, you can stop someone in Tennessee now with an entire arsenal in their car, and you can't do a thing before the arrive at the scene of the crime and open fire.

You know people buying guns because Fox News scares them into thinking that blacks are coming to kill them.

This is the fucking world you gave us. We're the ONLY nation in the world.

Why don't you explain this graph:

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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:06 pm Everything you are saying is based upon falsehoods.

Crime is NOT rising. The ONE thing that's rising is mass shootings. Maybe if your Governor wasn't spending all his time going after Disney, he could look at our gun problems in his state.

Also, people DO want gun restrictions to be passed. https://news.gallup.com/poll/470588/dis ... -high.aspx

How do you enforce laws when people can buy whatever they want and they can carry it all over the place without so much as a permit? I mean, you can stop someone in Tennessee now with an entire arsenal in their car, and you can't do a thing before the arrive at the scene of the crime and open fire.

You know people buying guns because Fox News scares them into thinking that blacks are coming to kill them.

This is the fucking world you gave us. We're the ONLY nation in the world.

Why don't you explain this graph:

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Please provide a link on your racist comment on fox News convincing white people that blacks are coming to kill them.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:30 pm Please provide a link on your racist comment on fox News convincing white people that blacks are coming to kill them.
There’s all kinds of links.

Here’s a good one. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/23/media/fo ... index.html

Just go here for all the rest. https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+new ... afari#ip=1
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Motor City wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:52 pm I think that most Tennesseans love their children like most Americans and dont want them to experience violence that comes from selling people assault rifles. Its a pretty safe bet that most people dont want this for their children or loved ones. Its a protest because public officials arent hearing their constituents or representing them. I dont think gun laws will solve all of the problems either, but they dont have to, they will solve some and some that are critical to the process of mass shootings. We need to also address the inequality and mass despair coming from the inequalities of our systems of economics, justice, and democracy. This is critical to peoples security and belief in the rule of law. Were not all the same but under the law we are equal.

Instead of a legislative body that hears its constituents and includes them in the process of making the laws the Tennessee legislature excludes and silences them.

In a state fraught with racist history, GOP expulsion of "Tennessee Three" hits a nerve



To get laws that people respect and are enforceable you need a legislative body that doesnt do this type of stuff.
You can believe what you want but if a majority of people believed this would solve the problem then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It seems to me all that I hear when it comes to this issue is gun control. So for folks who think it’s not the solution, that’s all they talk about. Secondly, passing a law is an empty gesture when you either can’t or won’t enforce it. It’s just talk. When you release repeat offenders onto the streets to continue to commit crimes it undermines confidence in the ability of LE and the courts to protect the citizenry. If you think people are going to surrender weapons under those circumstances, I think you have unrealistic expectations.

Until we address crime and until people feel safe in their homes, nothing will happen with gun control. Nothing.
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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:45 pm There’s all kinds of links.

Here’s a good one. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/23/media/fo ... index.html

Just go here for all the rest. https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+new ... afari#ip=1
Nowhere does it say that Fox News is scaring white people into believing that black people are coming to.murder them.

Odd that you and others here believe that conservatives are out kill you. So shat network put that nonsense into your head
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