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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:52 pm Thanks for making our point. It's okay to have kids at such thing, but not to have anyone in drag.

I guess we need to rate Tootsie XXX.
You have no point. A video of bike week was posted and no children were to be found. Except for a kid doing tricks on a scooter. Which looked more like a drop as there were no people present.
As for Tootsie I don't recall any scenes where she was stroking a dildoe or simulating sex.
In other words like your strawman you have nothing.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:00 pm You have no point. A video of bike week was posted and no children were to be found. Except for a kid doing tricks on a scooter. Which looked more like a drop as there were no people present.
As for Tootsie I don't recall any scenes where she was stroking a dildoe or simulating sex.
In other words like your strawman you have nothing.
So why are men in drag like in Tootsie banned in Tennessee by the GOP?

You say you support LGBTQ+ but this shows you don't. Just someone else to hate to get votes.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:00 pm You have no point. A video of bike week was posted and no children were to be found. Except for a kid doing tricks on a scooter. Which looked more like a drop as there were no people present.
As for Tootsie I don't recall any scenes where she was stroking a dildoe or simulating sex.
In other words like your strawman you have nothing.
Ever been to a bike rally? Sturgis? Believe me. There are daytime events that i wouldn't let my grandkids near. The guy that was motorboating those big tits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fBQ_BPO88 was on the deck of a bar that was just around the corner from the Dungeon and would have been in full view of the public. If they would have panned out to the street side of the deck you would have seen families. Families that included children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YX_9KpObJQ At 48 seconds in you will see some chick with body painted boobs. She will eventually wander out of that bar and into "public."

If i'm not mistaken i recognize the deck/bar which is where i witnessed what would be one of the strangest things i ever computed. For 25 bucks, in front of everybody, you could get your picture taken with 2 half naked woman giving you a snuggy while slapping your ass. i'm not talking a little suggy. By the time they are done your underwear is up around your head. Again, in broad daylight.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:32 am Ever been to a bike rally? Sturgis? Believe me. There are daytime events that i wouldn't let my grandkids near. The guy that was motorboating those big tits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fBQ_BPO88 was on the deck of a bar that was just around the corner from the Dungeon and would have been in full view of the public. If they would have panned out to the street side of the deck you would have seen families. Families that included children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YX_9KpObJQ At 48 seconds in you will see some chick with body painted boobs. She will eventually wander out of that bar and into "public."

If i'm not mistaken i recognize the deck/bar which is where i witnessed what would be one of the strangest things i ever computed. For 25 bucks, in front of everybody, you could get your picture taken with 2 half naked woman giving you a snuggy while slapping your ass. i'm not talking a little suggy. By the time they are done your underwear is up around your head. Again, in broad daylight.
I guess the point here is that the community in Sturgis and its citizens know well ahead of time what will be happening during that week. They accept that. The same is true in Key West and New Orleans. Those communities decide what is and is not allowed. But just because one community has a different standard of conduct doesn’t mean that every community should have to accept that standard.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am I guess the point here is that the community in Sturgis and its citizens know well ahead of time what will be happening during that week. They accept that. The same is true in Key West and New Orleans. Those communities decide what is and is not allowed. But just because one community has a different standard of conduct doesn’t mean that every community should have to accept that standard.
This isn't about communities. Republicans are shutting down anything with men in women's dresses STATEWIDE.

Why is Florida trying to shut down drag shows but not Fantasy Fest? A question, of course, you're too gutless to answer. You certainly know your limitations.

You've said you support gay rights. Yet here you are defending what the GOP is doing to drag shows, which really doesn't have ANYTHING to do with homosexuality. So much for free speech.

I mean, I went to a Pride Festival a couple of years ago here in my town. It was a family event. These are the kinds of things you idiots want to shut down.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:00 am I guess the point here is that the community in Sturgis and its citizens know well ahead of time what will be happening during that week. They accept that. The same is true in Key West and New Orleans. Those communities decide what is and is not allowed. But just because one community has a different standard of conduct doesn’t mean that every community should have to accept that standard.
i'd think the point to be more that your kids are going to wander out of your safe community and into the "public" community. There they will witness some strange and wonderful things. Things they, or their parents, need not fear.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:21 am i'd think the point to be more that your kids are going to wander out of your safe community and into the "public" community. There they will witness some strange and wonderful things. Things they, or their parents, need not fear.
Not really the point. I mean, we grew up seeing Milton Berle, Bob Hope and many others on family programs on network television in the sixties.

Suddenly NOW the GOP wants to outlaw this nationwide?
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:21 am i'd think the point to be more that your kids are going to wander out of your safe community and into the "public" community. There they will witness some strange and wonderful things. Things they, or their parents, need not fear.



In other words ignorance would be the opposite of woke. :mrgreen:
I’m not sure what you are advocating here Brad. Fantasy Week in Corinth MS? I have no problem with communities setting standards for conduct. Not everybody wants to live in Sturgis, New Orleans, or Key West. They have rights as well. They don’t and shouldn’t have to surrender their rights and adapt to what happens in other communities. It’s pretty simple. If you want to live the Key West life style, go to Key West. If you want to live the New Orleans life style, go to New Orleans. But not everybody wants to live in that type of community or atmosphere. So just like it’s unreasonable for them to expect the citizens of Sturgis, New Orleans, or Key West to cater to their sense of community, it’s unreasonable for folks to expect them to surrender their right to decide what type of community they wish to live in. That’s democracy.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:33 am I’m not sure what you are advocating here Brad. Fantasy Week in Corinth MS? I have no problem with communities setting standards for conduct. Not everybody wants to live in Sturgis, New Orleans, or Key West. They have rights as well. They don’t and shouldn’t have to surrender their rights and adapt to what happens in other communities. It’s pretty simple. If you want to live the Key West life style, go to Key West. If you want to live the New Orleans life style, go to New Orleans. But not everybody wants to live in that type of community or atmosphere. So just like it’s unreasonable for them to expect the citizens of Sturgis, New Orleans, or Key West to cater to their sense of community, it’s unreasonable for folks to expect them to surrender their right to decide what type of community they wish to live in. That’s democracy.
Communities setting standards? No, that is not democracy. It is invariably enshrining as law some people are not “people enough”. Would you except sundown laws? By your rationale you must. Using the claim of democracy is cover for utilizing the state’s monopoly of violence to impose, in the case of drag queens, scriptural law while bleating “protecting the children”.
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bird wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:44 am Communities setting standards? No, that is not democracy. It is invariably enshrining as law some people are not “people enough”. Would you except sundown laws? By your rationale you must. Using the claim of democracy is cover for utilizing the state’s monopoly of violence to impose, in the case of drag queens, scriptural law while bleating “protecting the children”.
I don’t accept laws that are unconstitutional. Other than that, I acknowledge that various communities have a right to make laws and set regulations that reflect that communities values. If you want to live in the Wild West. Go west. If you want to live in New Orleans. Go live in New Orleans. You don’t get to dictate to other people how they should live within their communities and they don’t have a right to tell you how to live in yours. That is democracy. Whether you like it or not.
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Like a tweet Stephanie Miller just read, trump didn't invent this extreme bigotry, racism, hatred, ignorance and treason, He just brought it out in people and normalized it.

Right here on this very board You're watching people defend the idea that it's OK to outlaw someone wearing a dress, etc.

Being Black in a community will be outlawed next, board con will defend it. This is winy I have said for YEARS that board con is your/our actual enemy, exactly as if this was 1942 and said enemy was wearing a nazi uniform.



SOME say we need to encourage communication between us and the maga assholes, I say the opposite.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:54 am I don’t accept laws that are unconstitutional. Other than that, I acknowledge that various communities have a right to make laws and set regulations that reflect that communities values. If you want to live in the Wild West. Go west. If you want to live in New Orleans. Go live in New Orleans. You don’t get to dictate to other people how they should live within their communities and they don’t have a right to tell you how to live in yours. That is democracy. Whether you like it or not.
So why are you for states - not communities - outlawing drag shows statewide? Or even dressing in drag.

How is that community values?

You won't answer. Gutless worm.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:33 am I’m not sure what you are advocating here Brad. Fantasy Week in Corinth MS? I have no problem with communities setting standards for conduct. Not everybody wants to live in Sturgis, New Orleans, or Key West. They have rights as well. They don’t and shouldn’t have to surrender their rights and adapt to what happens in other communities. It’s pretty simple. If you want to live the Key West life style, go to Key West. If you want to live the New Orleans life style, go to New Orleans. But not everybody wants to live in that type of community or atmosphere. So just like it’s unreasonable for them to expect the citizens of Sturgis, New Orleans, or Key West to cater to their sense of community, it’s unreasonable for folks to expect them to surrender their right to decide what type of community they wish to live in. That’s democracy.
Can't say for sure but it sounds like you're advocating for Separate but Equal. Which as far as i know is unconstitutional.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:48 am Can't say for sure but it sounds like you're advocating for Separate but Equal. Which as far as i know is unconstitutional.



"We don't like your kind here" is not liberty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFGsa9TdEeo

If the fear is that great, well then, you have gated communities. Keep in mind, once outside that community you are in a "public" community.
Great post, Brad!
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:54 am I don’t accept laws that are unconstitutional. Other than that, I acknowledge that various communities have a right to make laws and set regulations that reflect that communities values. If you want to live in the Wild West. Go west. If you want to live in New Orleans. Go live in New Orleans. You don’t get to dictate to other people how they should live within their communities and they don’t have a right to tell you how to live in yours. That is democracy. Whether you like it or not.
So, you’d accept drag queens if the SCOTUS so ruled but until then you’d march along like a good soldier no matter who gets hurt.

No, it is not democracy. That is an excuse, a rationale. It is state sanctioned damage that you with your shifting morality will blindly, happily accept until something is ruled lawful no matter the damage to others.

That is the same rationale used to support sundown laws, laws against sodomy, laws against inter-racial marriage, laws against contraception.

Will you accept laws against contraception if Clarence Thomas the Dim gets his way and the SCOTUS rules against contraception?
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Old Krassner headline: The Supreme Court Bans Vaseline.

Everything old is new again.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:48 am Can't say for sure but it sounds like you're advocating for Separate but Equal. Which as far as i know is unconstitutional.



"We don't like your kind here" is not liberty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFGsa9TdEeo

If the fear is that great, well then, you have gated communities. Keep in mind, once outside that community you are in a "public" community.
I’m not advocating anything unconstitutional.

All I am saying is that people have a right to set standards within their community as long as they do not violate the constitution or state and local laws. You don’t have to agree with them. I don’t have to agree with them. So if a community doesn’t want bars or liquor by the drink, they can pass that law. If they want to set the speed limits to 20 mph, they can set that law. There isn’t anything unconstitutional about that.

If you want to live like they live in Sturgis, then move to Sturgis or visit there on a regular basis. Your local community may not want to allow bars to operate in that manner. You have no right to force that on them. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:17 am I’m not advocating anything unconstitutional.

All I am saying is that people have a right to set standards within their community as long as they do not violate the constitution or state and local laws. You don’t have to agree with them. I don’t have to agree with them. So if a community doesn’t want bars or liquor by the drink, they can pass that law. If they want to set the speed limits to 20 mph, they can set that law. There isn’t anything unconstitutional about that.

If you want to live like they live in Sturgis, then move to Sturgis or visit there on a regular basis. Your local community may not want to allow bars to operate in that manner. You have no right to force that on them. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.
So what is wrong with people wearing drag?

And why do you support it being outlawed on a state or national level?

And why do you support the attacks on the trans community? You know, you're the one that lied to us and said you support LGBTQ+ people.
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bird wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:56 am So, you’d accept drag queens if the SCOTUS so ruled but until then you’d march along like a good soldier no matter who gets hurt.

No, it is not democracy. That is an excuse, a rationale. It is state sanctioned damage that you with your shifting morality will blindly, happily accept until something is ruled lawful no matter the damage to others.

That is the same rationale used to support sundown laws, laws against sodomy, laws against inter-racial marriage, laws against contraception.

Will you accept laws against contraception if Clarence Thomas the Dim gets his way and the SCOTUS rules against contraception?
If you want to dress in drag, you can go and do as you please as long as you don’t violate any law. If you want to put on a show then there are laws and regulations which should apply to all shows and you should comply with those laws. So laws which would result in the arrest of any other individual should apply to you as well. Otherwise, that would be discrimination.

So if you feel applying one standard to everyone is immoral, then that is your problem.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am If you want to dress in drag, you can go and do as you please as long as you don’t violate any law. If you want to put on a show then there are laws and regulations which should apply to all shows and you should comply with those laws. So laws which would result in the arrest of any other individual should apply to you as well. Otherwise, that would be discrimination.

So if you feel applying one standard to everyone is immoral, then that is your problem.
No, it's NOT our problem.

Again, I attended a Pride Festival locally a few years ago. It was certainly G rated, but today would be illegal.

So, you're a lying sack of shit when you say you support gay rights.

And you're supporting stupid laws. Explain why a community needs to outlaw drag.

Go ahead make your case.

Oh, right, that's something you're never able to do.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:30 am No, it's NOT our problem.

Again, I attended a Pride Festival locally a few years ago. It was certainly G rated, but today would be illegal.

So, you're a lying sack of shit when you say you support gay rights.

And you're supporting stupid laws. Explain why a community needs to outlaw drag.

Go ahead make your case.

Oh, right, that's something you're never able to do.
So a pride festival in conservative Tennessee is exactly the same as Pride festivals everywhere.
If so there is no problem because none of them would be violating local decency laws.
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Why is it a ifva person doesn't agree with 100pct of the gay and progressive agenda on gay rights. That is considered the same as supporting 0pct.
Very odd.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:23 pm Why is it a ifva person doesn't agree with 100pct of the gay and progressive agenda on gay rights. That is considered the same as supporting 0pct.
Very odd.
In your case, it simply means you'll believe however Trump and DeSantis and the GOP tells you to believe.

I just don't understand that you think if someone dresses as a woman, you believe it's okay to jail them.

So much for the "land of the free".
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:31 pm In your case, it simply means you'll believe however Trump and DeSantis and the GOP tells you to believe.

I just don't understand that you think if someone dresses as a woman, you believe it's okay to jail them.

So much for the "land of the free".
Again I have never said that or believed that. Once again you have nothing so you simply make things up.
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