Mickey Mouse dupes DeSantis

[bradman]

Great video - How Disney Outsmarted Ron DeSantis

https://youtu.be/j1jkilao3MQ

Interesting guy.

[JoeMemphis]

No, they have the rights as a person under the Constitution. Their free speech rights are to the corporation ITSELF, not to the people in it.

You are a fucking idiot. I guess you aren't smart enough to read the decisions and how corporate personhood came about in our nation.

They have those rights because like any other organization they represent the interests of their members. Just like a partnership or a union.

You claim I’m the idiot and yet you cannot produce a single cite from a single case that says corporations are people. I guess you aren’t smart enough. Not really a guess. It’s a pattern of conduct you demonstrate over and over.

Bottomline, you throw yourself on the sword saying corporations should NOT have speech rights and yet when they take a position you endorse you flip flop faster than any Senator past or present. You really should make up your mind just what you support.

[Glennfs]

No, they have the rights as a person under the Constitution. Their free speech rights are to the corporation ITSELF, not to the people in it.

You are a fucking idiot. I guess you aren't smart enough to read the decisions and how corporate personhood came about in our nation.

You can tell when GoU is losing because he always resorts to temper tantrums and childish name calling.

[gounion]

You can tell when GoU is losing because he always resorts to temper tantrums and childish name calling.

So you don't know corporations have personhood status under the Constution?

[gounion]

They have those rights because like any other organization they represent the interests of their members. Just like a partnership or a union.

You claim I’m the idiot and yet you cannot produce a single cite from a single case that says corporations are people. I guess you aren’t smart enough. Not really a guess. It’s a pattern of conduct you demonstrate over and over.

Bottomline, you throw yourself on the sword saying corporations should NOT have speech rights and yet when they take a position you endorse you flip flop faster than any Senator past or present. You really should make up your mind just what you support.

No, I don't believe corporations SHOULD have personhood rights under the Constitution. But the fact is they do.

And you're too stupid to know that.

So tell me Joe - you support what the governor is doing against Disney. You say Disney deserved it for speaking out. So, if I were to send in a Letter to the Editor to the Tennessean newspaper against the Legislature expelling the two black men, you think the Governor of Tennessee has the right to send the state police to my house, harass me and take my home from me, right? Because, after all, I shouldn't shit where I live, right?

[ProfX]

I agree that corporations are at best artificial persons, not living breathing ones will full rights.

SCOTUS ruled in Citizens United that their free speech rights include contributions of unlimited dark money - I disagree - but at the moment it is the law of the land.

All that said, yes, Disney spoke on behalf of its employees, many of whom happen to be LGBT. They had a responsibility to do that.

No, I don't think speech should be without consequence. However, I don't see how building a prison on Disney land (a recent threat by the governor) or other reprisals are in the interests of the people of Florida. I think the governor is only serving himself and his political interests in higher office.

The governor appears to be interested in seizing control over even their creative and artistic productions - a chilling thing that you often only see in authoritarian countries.

[JoeMemphis]

No, I don't believe corporations SHOULD have personhood rights under the Constitution. But the fact is they do.

And you're too stupid to know that.

So tell me Joe - you support what the governor is doing against Disney. You say Disney deserved it for speaking out. So, if I were to send in a Letter to the Editor to the Tennessean newspaper against the Legislature expelling the two black men, you think the Governor of Tennessee has the right to send the state police to my house, harass me and take my home from me, right? Because, after all, I shouldn't shit where I live, right?

I know the rights you whine and complain about are derived from the rights of the individuals those corporations represent. YOU are too stupid to know that. However, that doesn’t make corporations “people” with all the same rights as human beings. When was the last time you saw a corporation cast a vote for President?

I support Disneys right to speak on whatever they choose. Always have. However, Disney nor any individual is immune from the consequences of their speech.

You can speak about whatever you choose to the Gov of Tn and nobody cares. Nothing will happen to you. You are of no consequence to the Gov or the St of TN. However, if you had business with the State and decided to publicly and loudly criticize decision maker as it regards you business, it might not improve your chances of retaining such business. That’s just common sense so I understand why such logic eludes you. I’m also quite sure it holds true for business relationships in almost all public and private sectors.

[JoeMemphis]

I agree that corporations are at best artificial persons, not living breathing ones will full rights.

SCOTUS ruled in Citizens United that their free speech rights include contributions of unlimited dark money - I disagree - but at the moment it is the law of the land.

All that said, yes, Disney spoke on behalf of its employees, many of whom happen to be LGBT. They had a responsibility to do that.

No, I don't think speech should be without consequence. However, I don't see how building a prison on Disney land (a recent threat by the governor) or other reprisals are in the interests of the people of Florida. I think the governor is only serving himself and his political interests in higher office.

The governor appears to be interested in seizing control over even their creative and artistic productions - a chilling thing that you often only see in authoritarian countries.

Lots of examples lately of government chilling speech. Several examples in fact. Nice to know folks are concerned.

[Drak]

Lots of examples lately of government chilling speech. Several examples in fact. Nice to know folks are concerned.

All on your side, which you support. But yeah, both sides it with bs, it’s what you do. The guy you want as president is an extreme example of it.

[gounion]

I know the rights you whine and complain about are derived from the rights of the individuals those corporations represent. YOU are too stupid to know that. However, that doesn’t make corporations “people” with all the same rights as human beings. When was the last time you saw a corporation cast a vote for President?

I support Disneys right to speak on whatever they choose. Always have. However, Disney nor any individual is immune from the consequences of their speech.

You can speak about whatever you choose to the Gov of Tn and nobody cares. Nothing will happen to you. You are of no consequence to the Gov or the St of TN. However, if you had business with the State and decided to publicly and loudly criticize decision maker as it regards you business, it might not improve your chances of retaining such business. That’s just common sense so I understand why such logic eludes you. I’m also quite sure it holds true for business relationships in almost all public and private sectors.

But you think the Governor has the right to go after anyone that disagrees with them, and he can try to take their property.

[gounion]

They have those rights because like any other organization they represent the interests of their members. Just like a partnership or a union.

You claim I’m the idiot and yet you cannot produce a single cite from a single case that says corporations are people. I guess you aren’t smart enough. Not really a guess. It’s a pattern of conduct you demonstrate over and over.

Bottomline, you throw yourself on the sword saying corporations should NOT have speech rights and yet when they take a position you endorse you flip flop faster than any Senator past or present. You really should make up your mind just what you support.

I gave you four Supreme Court cases that gave personhood to corporations. Those are cases. You don't understand those are cases, do you?

BTW, you know in the past you've argued FOR corporate personhood. So I guess you forgot that, or it's just that no matter what, you won't agree with us. That's because you put partisanship above truth.

I don't flip flop. Hey I may not like Right to Work, either, and I don't. But I don't deny that in about half of the states, that's the law.

There's what I'd like to be, and there's what actually is.

But you're not bright enough to understand that, are you?

[gounion]

So now DeSantis says he wants to build a prison on Disney-owned property that Disney hasn't developed yet.

So Joe and Glenn say that the Government has the right to do that on people's property.

They are no longer business-friendly conservatives. They are authoritarians.

It's not like the state loans or gives Disney any money. This isn't South Carolina, where the state pays for most of the operating expenses for the big corporations in the state. Disney is the largest employer AND taxpayer in the state, and DeSantis is attacking them because they publicly came out against a bill.

I guess the only way to be a company in Florida is to give the Governor and GOP lots of money, and cheer everything they do.

This is Joe Memphis' America.

[Libertas]

Desatan is vile scum.

But according to folks there is no way he can do anything.

Oh really! Have we not learned our lesson yet?

[JoeMemphis]

But you think the Governor has the right to go after anyone that disagrees with them, and he can try to take their property.

I think the Governor has as much right to speak on issues as Disney. I think the Governor as chief executive of the state has rights and abilities to manage state business as long as he/she does so lawfully. It’s up to the individuals as to whether they choose to discuss their differences privately or publicly. Disney choose to speak out on a political matter publicly. They could have made different choices. They didn’t.

The Gov and the state are reacting as is their right.

If Disney believes they are being treated unfairly they have choices to make.

[JoeMemphis]

I gave you four Supreme Court cases that gave personhood to corporations. Those are cases. You don't understand those are cases, do you?

BTW, you know in the past you've argued FOR corporate personhood. So I guess you forgot that, or it's just that no matter what, you won't agree with us. That's because you put partisanship above truth.

I don't flip flop. Hey I may not like Right to Work, either, and I don't. But I don't deny that in about half of the states, that's the law.

There's what I'd like to be, and there's what actually is.

But you're not bright enough to understand that, are you?

I don’t believe that corps are people. Never have. Never made that argument. So show the post.

Corps are not people. They represent people and those people have a right to choose who speaks for them. Just like your union.

Simple as that.

If you got a cite from any one of those cases that says differently you would have posted it.

[Glennfs]

So now DeSantis says he wants to build a prison on Disney-owned property that Disney hasn't developed yet.

So Joe and Glenn say that the Government has the right to do that on people's property.

They are no longer business-friendly conservatives. They are authoritarians.

It's not like the state loans or gives Disney any money. This isn't South Carolina, where the state pays for most of the operating expenses for the big corporations in the state. Disney is the largest employer AND taxpayer in the state, and DeSantis is attacking them because they publicly came out against a bill.

I guess the only way to be a company in Florida is to give the Governor and GOP lots of money, and cheer everything they do.

This is Joe Memphis' America.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... antis-feud

The state doesn't give money to Disney?
Does this 578 million count.
BTW this is the second time I ve showed you this link. So we're you mistaken or lying

[bradman]

Irony. As many problems i've had with Mickey(copyright)in the past there's just something about a mouse kicking D's ass that tickles my fancy. I think i'll let Mickey slide on this one.

[Glennfs]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... antis-feud

The state doesn't give money to Disney?
Does this 578 million count.
BTW this is the second time I ve showed you this link. So we're you mistaken or lying

GoU does this 578 million to Disney count.
When you Said Disney didn't get money from the state were you mistaken or were you lying?

[gounion]

GoU does this 578 million to Disney count.
When you Said Disney didn't get money from the state were you mistaken or were you lying?

Looks to me like it's a tax credit for moving employees to the state that any corporation gets, and the credits don't kick in until you move people to the state. Disney hasn't done so yet, and with these attacks they may not.

Let's be clear: Disney is not only the biggest employer in the state, it's the biggest taxpayer in the state.

So why do you support DeSantis' attacks on Disney?

[Number6]

I think a good way to get at DeSantis is whenever he's at a public event people start singing the Mickey Mouse song.

Who's the leader of the club that's made for you and me?
M-I-C-K-E-Y--M-O-U-S-E!
Hey there, Hi there, Ho there. You're as welcome as can be!
M-I-C-K-E-Y--M-O-U-S-E!

[bradman]

DeSantis, what kind of a mickey mouse operation are you running here? And you wanna be my president? i don't think so.

[gounion]

Disney Sues DeSantis: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/busi ... orida.html

The fight between Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida and the Walt Disney Company is headed to court.

On Wednesday, a board appointed by Mr. DeSantis to oversee government services at Disney World voted to nullify two agreements that gave Disney vast control over expansion at the 25,000-acre resort complex. Within minutes, Disney sued Mr. DeSantis, the five-member board and other state officials in federal court, claiming “a targeted campaign of government retaliation.”

Last year, under pressure from its employees, Disney criticized a Florida education law labeled “Don’t Say Gay” by opponents and halted political donations in the state — and landed in the cross hairs of Mr. DeSantis, who put a plan in motion to revoke Disney World’s self-governing privileges. Disney’s lawsuit accused Mr. DeSantis of a “relentless campaign to weaponize government power against Disney in retaliation for expressing a political viewpoint.” The campaign, the complaint added, “now threatens Disney’s business operations, jeopardizes its economic future in the region and violates its constitutional rights.”

This is nothing but childish petty retaliation, and I think the courts will agree, even the right-wing Supreme Court. Conservatism is PRO-business, not anti-business. Disney is a beloved company that is doing nothing wrong.

Of course, Joe defended DeSantis over the indefensible. He said Disney should know better than to "shit in it's nest", but he has it completely wrong. When Disney is not only the top employer in the state, but also the top taxpayer in the state, DeSantis should not be attacking them, showing himself to be anti-business, making other companies think twice before wanting to do business in the state.

But there's nothing, no matter how stupid and illegal, that DeSantis can do that Joe and Glenn won't defend. Glenn thinks he should be President. Oh, right, talk about a boy King, where he would lash out using the power of the government to destroy anyone that speaks out against him. That's NOT America.

But it seems Joe and Glenn don't WANT America. They want a Banana Republic Dictator.

[JoeMemphis]

Disney Sues DeSantis: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/26/busi ... orida.html



This is nothing but childish petty retaliation, and I think the courts will agree, even the right-wing Supreme Court. Conservatism is PRO-business, not anti-business. Disney is a beloved company that is doing nothing wrong.

Of course, Joe defended DeSantis over the indefensible. He said Disney should know better than to "shit in it's nest", but he has it completely wrong. When Disney is not only the top employer in the state, but also the top taxpayer in the state, DeSantis should not be attacking them, showing himself to be anti-business, making other companies think twice before wanting to do business in the state.

But there's nothing, no matter how stupid and illegal, that DeSantis can do that Joe and Glenn won't defend. Glenn thinks he should be President. Oh, right, talk about a boy King, where he would lash out using the power of the government to destroy anyone that speaks out against him. That's NOT America.

But it seems Joe and Glenn don't WANT America. They want a Banana Republic Dictator.

Glad to know you are thinking about us all the time. Who lives in whose head?

[gounion]

Glad to know you are thinking about us all the time. Who lives in whose head?

Just pointing out the news of the day, it's leading on all sites. I'm sure you'll be happy to have your tax money being spent to defend DeStantis from this lawsuit going all the way to the Supreme Court. Isn't that smart use of state dollars, along with attacks on gays, drag shows, women's rights, book bannings in school libraries, censoring college history courses instead of, you know, doing the business of a state?

It's funny how you've always cast yourself as a pro-business Republican, but are all in for DeSantis' attack on Disney, the biggest employer in the state. Not surprising they announced huge layoffs in the state.

Chris Christie is about the closest thing to a true Conservative around today, as 90% of the party has thrown it's lot in with Trump. I don't like Christie, but he is a real conservative. Christie:

Christie said: “I don’t think Ron DeSantis is a conservative, based on his actions towards Disney.

“Where are we headed here now, that if you express disagreement in this country, the government is allowed to punish you? To me, that’s what I always thought liberals did. And now all of a sudden here we are participating in this with a Republican governor.”

As well as questioning why DeSantis attacked Disney, Christie blasted how he did it.

“For him … to not have foreseen that Disney was going to do what they did in response, which was to completely take over the millions and millions of acres and the zoning decisions on that … well, I’ll tell you this much: that’s not the guy I want sitting across from President Xi.”

[Drak]

Glad to know you are thinking about us all the time. Who lives in whose head?

Says the guy who claims he puts people on ignore then has to tell them all about it.