Panhandling Republicans

[gounion]

Anyone else noticing how there’s a glut of Republicans begging for other people to pay their bills? Trump using PAC money and fundraising to get his bills paid - and not from a legal fund, but from people who think they’re doing to to help get their leader elected, but he’s using it to pay his bills.

You know, you guys worship this guy, but I remember when he said he’d never take donations to fund his campaign, because, you know, he’s REALLY rich!

I’m going to point out the first truth, which is that he’s NOT as rich as he says. Of course, that will outrage you more than anything.

And Republicans get rich not by investing their own money and putting it in danger, they get rich with OTHER people’s money.

But about all these people with their cup out because they are going to be facing high legal costs. Well, first, to me, don’t do the crime. And they HAVE committed lots of crimes for The Donald.

So they all have rich friends. Why don’t they ask THEM for help? Well, see my earlier point - rich people don’t like to do anything with their own money.

So, it’s those red-hat wearing fools, many retired and on fixed income, that they want to do without food at the end of the month, to send THEM money so that they don’t have to pay their legal bills out of their OWN pocket.

I’m sick and tired of hearing Republicans bleating about how horrible welfare is, how you should be self-reliant and stand on your own.

But here they are with their hands out begging. It’s truly sickening.

Stand on your own, assholes. Pay your own way. YOU guys are the welfare-loving bunch, you just want welfare for the rich.

[Glennfs]

Anyone else noticing how there’s a glut of Republicans begging for other people to pay their bills? Trump using PAC money and fundraising to get his bills paid - and not from a legal fund, but from people who think they’re doing to to help get their leader elected, but he’s using it to pay his bills.

You know, you guys worship this guy, but I remember when he said he’d never take donations to fund his campaign, because, you know, he’s REALLY rich!

I’m going to point out the first truth, which is that he’s NOT as rich as he says. Of course, that will outrage you more than anything.

And Republicans get rich not by investing their own money and putting it in danger, they get rich with OTHER people’s money.

But about all these people with their cup out because they are going to be facing high legal costs. Well, first, to me, don’t do the crime. And they HAVE committed lots of crimes for The Donald.

So they all have rich friends. Why don’t they ask THEM for help? Well, see my earlier point - rich people don’t like to do anything with their own money.

So, it’s those red-hat wearing fools, many retired and on fixed income, that they want to do without food at the end of the month, to send THEM money so that they don’t have to pay their legal bills out of their OWN pocket.

I’m sick and tired of hearing Republicans bleating about how horrible welfare is, how you should be self-reliant and stand on your own.

But here they are with their hands out begging. It’s truly sickening.

Stand on your own, assholes. Pay your own way. YOU guys are the welfare-loving bunch, you just want welfare for the rich.

The fact that you are so worried about Trump’s legal bills and who and how they are being paid shows that you don't want justice you want vengeance.

If someone is dumb enough to contribute to Trump’s defense that is their business not yours. That is their money not yours.

But, you aren’t for fair trials anyway. According to you Trump should be thrown in jail for the remainder of his life and left penniless.

Because you want vengeance not justice.

[gounion]

The fact that you are so worried about Trump’s legal bills and who and how they are being paid shows that you don't want justice you want vengeance.

If someone is dumb enough to contribute to Trump’s defense that is their business not yours. That is their money not yours.

But, you aren’t for fair trials anyway. According to you Trump should be thrown in jail for the remainder of his life and left penniless.

Because you want vengeance not justice.

You don't want to be indicted, don't do the crime.

Of course you say Trump is innocent of everything, don't you?

And all those Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are innocent, too, aren't they?

To me, the GOP is supposed to be the party of self-reliance. You pay your own fucking bills, don't go begging for someone else to do it.

[Glennfs]

You don't want to be indicted, don't do the crime.

Of course you say Trump is innocent of everything, don't you?

And all those Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are innocent, too, aren't they?

To me, the GOP is supposed to be the party of self-reliance. You pay your own fucking bills, don't go begging for someone else to do it.

Lying again why am I not surprised.

[gounion]

Lying again why am I not surprised.

You're the one defending Trump and attacking the prosecutors, and the jury that found him guilty.

[Glennfs]

You're the one defending Trump and attacking the prosecutors, and the jury that found him guilty.

No I am pointing out that you along with most other liberals do not want justice you want revenge

You want to see Trump in prison in isolation for the remainder of his life and he and his family left penniless and destitute.

[gounion]

No I am pointing out that you along with most other liberals do not want justice you want revenge

You want to see Trump in prison in isolation for the remainder of his life and he and his family left penniless and destitute.

No, I want JUSTICE. He is the most corrupt, anti-american President EVER - who sold our nation out to a KGB thug, and he should get what he deserves.

His family should pay for any crimes they committed too.

But I know, you love Trump and protect him all you can.

[Glennfs]

No, I want JUSTICE. He is the most corrupt, anti-american President EVER - who sold our nation out to a KGB thug, and he should get what he deserves.

His family should pay for any crimes they committed too.

But I know, you love Trump and protect him all you can.

And on your mind justice is for Trump to spend the rest of his life in prison in isolation and for he and his family to be destitute

[gounion]

And on your mind justice is for Trump to spend the rest of his life in prison in isolation and for he and his family to be destitute

If he's found guilty, what do YOU want?

Just a slap on the wrist? Hell, you want him to run for President.

[Glennfs]

If he's found guilty, what do YOU want?

Just a slap on the wrist? Hell, you want him to run for President.

Because of his status as a former president o am thinking about down the road as opposed to your and others myopic views.

As we have discussed here many times logistically there simply is no way to lock up a former president and keep him and his armed secret service detail safe.

At best we can see an in home confinement which isn't much at all. Especially for a person approaching 80 living on a golf course.

The best punishment for Trump would be for him to be required to make a public statement admitting his guilt even if it were from his lawyer speaking on his behalf.

Followed by a ban from social media and most if not all public speaking. With some limited home confinement.

[gounion]

Because of his status as a former president o am thinking about down the road as opposed to your and others myopic views.

As we have discussed here many times logistically there simply is no way to lock up a former president and keep him and his armed secret service detail safe.

At best we can see an in home confinement which isn't much at all. Especially for a person approaching 80 living on a golf course.

The best punishment for Trump would be for him to be required to make a public statement admitting his guilt even if it were from his lawyer speaking on his behalf.

Followed by a ban from social media and most if not all public speaking. With some limited home confinement.

So yup. Just a slap on the wrist. After all, he's better than the rest of us, right?

If he made a public statement, he'd just turn around and say he was coerced. But hey, if he gets away with it, than every President from now on they can get away with anything. I believe that everyone is equal under the law and our Constitution.

I see we disagree on that.

[Glennfs]

So yup. Just a slap on the wrist. After all, he's better than the rest of us, right?

If he made a public statement, he'd just turn around and say he was coerced. But hey, if he gets away with it, than every President from now on they can get away with anything. I believe that everyone is equal under the law and our Constitution.

I see we disagree on that.

Because he is a former president.

Locking him up in solitary confinement for the rest of his life would not be constitutional.

Also you ignore he is entitled to armed secret service agents for the remainder of his life. That includes in prison or out of prison.

As JFK said life isn't always fair.

[gounion]

Because he is a former president.

Locking him up in solitary confinement for the rest of his life would not be constitutional.

Also you ignore he is entitled to armed secret service agents for the remainder of his life. That includes in prison or out of prison.

As JFK said life isn't always fair.

Because he is a President.

Which is why he needs to be treated like everyone else, for two reasons. First, to show that no one is above the law. Second, so no President will EVER try to do that again.

[Motor City]

If he's found guilty, what do YOU want?

Just a slap on the wrist? Hell, you want him to run for President.

Trumps only chance at being president now and before comes from the democrats being oriented in a very narrow and conservative way, an astonishing self-absorption that sucks the energy out of themselves and the voters while prolonging the American public's collective problems and suffering.

The test for whether trump could be elected isn't whether he is arrested or in prison its are the democrats still self sabotaging with its narrow and extreme conservative agenda. Like Dorothy they've always had the ability to reverse things they just have to click their heals together in a less narrow and self serving way, a way that is of service to its voters, country and the legitimately helps to solve longstanding problems and dismantle unjust systems.

[Toonces]

Donald gave "permission" for a large amount of people to just be awful to others. Sure it may have been simmering for a while but with him, it just exploded. He's just not good for civility. The sooner he goes away, the better. He's just not a good man and should never have been president and hopefully will never be again. Donald J. Trump is, and I'm being kind, an asshole.

Sadly, people like DeSantis are traveling in his footsteps. They may not come right out and say things explicitly but they seem to know what words to use in order for people to feel emboldened. DeSantis, Donald, Vivek, and Haley do a lot of punching down. Pence doesn't necessarily punch down but he certainly doesn't defend the people being punched, it's more a tacit approval. It may not be seen as a positive but, to me, Chris Christie seems to be the one doing the least amount of punching down. He seems to be a decent man, though his history might just put an asterisk on that. Republican candidates as a whole just seem mean.

By contrast, someone like Joe Biden, who I would say is truly a decent man who may have held some opinions and said some things in his past that could, likewise, drop an asterisk. He certainly has a more "positive" persona than much of the Republican field

[ProfX]

Pence is a theocrat who wants a national abortion ban, and still seems highly reluctant to criticize the guy who wanted to have his followers hang him on January 6th. He'd take us to Gilead.

Christie is decent as things go, though he's a similar bully in many ways (see: Bridgegate), and may really just be mad at Trump for not giving him an admin position in 2016. Dunno. I do like that he seems to be the only one determined to be honest about what Trump really is, and not holding back. And he doesn't like phony canned responses from other people, including Rama-Smarmy. That doesn't mean he'd make a better POTUS.

I hope he stays in the primaries for a while.

There are Republicans I could stand, like John Kasich or Larry Hogan, but they are not in this field.

[Number6]

Pence is a theocrat who wants a national abortion ban, and still seems highly reluctant to criticize the guy who wanted to have his followers hang him on January 6th. He'd take us to Gilead.

Christie is decent as things go, though he's a similar bully in many ways (see: Bridgegate), and may really just be mad at Trump for not giving him an admin position in 2016. Dunno. I do like that he seems to be the only one determined to be honest about what Trump really is, and not holding back. And he doesn't like phony canned responses from other people, including Rama-Smarmy. That doesn't mean he'd make a better POTUS.

I hope he stays in the primaries for a while.

There are Republicans I could stand, like John Kasich or Larry Hogan, but they are not in this field.

The problem with Christie is he is a loud mouth, bully who tries to intimidate anyone who disagrees with him. A leader is one who calm and can convince others to work towards a common goal. It's more than just convincing people to follow them it's about getting those the leader needs to make things happen to work as if the objective is their idea instead of their leader's idea.

[gounion]

The problem with Christie is he is a loud mouth, bully who tries to intimidate anyone who disagrees with him. A leader is one who calm and can convince others to work towards a common goal. It's more than just convincing people to follow them it's about getting those the leader needs to make things happen to work as if the objective is their idea instead of their leader's idea.

You're right, Six. I really don't trust Christie as far as I can throw him. He is good, he can argue any side of an issue and make you think he really is sincere, but he was too sincere arguing the other side of Trump. It's just in his interest now to go against Trump.

And if you look at his stance on the issues, he's far-far right, he's not moderate at all.

So, it's great to see him lambast Trump, but I just have to keep in mind it's all a show.