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JoeMemphis
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:32 am I’m not parsing words. You’re gaslighting. You learned The Donald’s lessons well - never admit to being wrong. Just play pretend.

Just like you said it wasn’t Trump’s policy to tear children from their mothers and move them across the country without records so they couldn’t be reunited.

You’re a lying sack of shit, and we all know it.
(Bold) Show a link to where I said anything of the kind.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:12 am (Bold) Show a link to where I said anything of the kind.
http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 079#p75079
When in truth it WAS Trump's policy to tear kids from their parents and lose them in the system so that they couldn't be reunited.

But hey, they aren't Americans, so you don't give a shit about the children do you?

Now that we're showing where we said things, why don't you show me the link where I said that the border was completely closed.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:03 pm http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 079#p75079



When in truth it WAS Trump's policy to tear kids from their parents and lose them in the system so that they couldn't be reunited.

But hey, they aren't Americans, so you don't give a shit about the children do you?

Now that we're showing where we said things, why don't you show me the link where I said that the border was completely closed.
I said it was policy not to house minors with adults as I recall. I didn’t say anything close to what you claim. Further, you have shown zero evidence that it was Trumps policy. Further you have shown zero evidence that the intent of such policy was malicious as you stated.

So you put words in my mouth. You completely misrepresented what I said. So in a post where you claim I somehow lied in stating my OPINION of the Biden border policy, you lied in the same exact post and didn’t support your assertion. So by your own standards, you are the lying sack of shit. We already knew it. You just confirmed it once again.

Lastly. The current border policy is not your policy. Your statements about the border are irrelevant. What’s relevant are the claims made by the Director of Homeland Insecurity and the current administration. They state the border is closed and secure. It clearly isn’t.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:44 pm I said it was policy not to house minors with adults as I recall. I didn’t say anything close to what you claim. Further, you have shown zero evidence that it was Trumps policy. Further you have shown zero evidence that the intent of such policy was malicious as you stated.

So you put words in my mouth. You completely misrepresented what I said. So in a post where you claim I somehow lied in stating my OPINION of the Biden border policy, you lied in the same exact post and didn’t support your assertion. So by your own standards, you are the lying sack of shit. We already knew it. You just confirmed it once again.
As usual, you say something and deny it. But you also said that I said that the borders were completely closed.

So who’s the fucking liar? Why don’t you show where I said that?

I know, you go by Trump’s rules, lies are what you do.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:47 pm As usual, you say something and deny it. But you also said that I said that the borders were completely closed.

So who’s the fucking liar? Why don’t you show where I said that?

I know, you go by Trump’s rules, lies are what you do.
I don’t believe I said you stated the border was completely closed. But if I did I withdraw that remark because it’s not your policy. It may be your opinion but what you think is irrelevant to the policy or to the migrant problem at the border.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:44 pm I said it was policy not to house minors with adults as I recall. I didn’t say anything close to what you claim. Further, you have shown zero evidence that it was Trumps policy. Further you have shown zero evidence that the intent of such policy was malicious as you stated.

So you put words in my mouth. You completely misrepresented what I said. So in a post where you claim I somehow lied in stating my OPINION of the Biden border policy, you lied in the same exact post and didn’t support your assertion. So by your own standards, you are the lying sack of shit. We already knew it. You just confirmed it once again.

Lastly. The current border policy is not your policy. Your statements about the border are irrelevant. What’s relevant are the claims made by the Director of Homeland Insecurity and the current administration. They state the border is closed and secure. It clearly isn’t.
Yes, it was Trump’s policy and yes, it WAS malicious. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a ... me-to-pass

But you’re going to go to bat for Trump yet again, aren’t you? You’re going to tell us it isn’t true. You don’t give a shit for reality.

And yes, you told me I said the border was closed. I never did, but you don’t give a shit, do you?
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:05 pm Yes, it was Trump’s policy and yes, it WAS malicious. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a ... me-to-pass

But you’re going to go to bat for Trump yet again, aren’t you? You’re going to tell us it isn’t true. You don’t give a shit for reality.

And yes, you told me I said the border was closed. I never did, but you don’t give a shit, do you?
Do Ingive a shit about what you say and don’t say and what you claim to know? No. I trust nothing you say. Stupid question.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:23 pm Do Ingive a shit about what you say and don’t say and what you claim to know? No. I trust nothing you say. Stupid question.
You only trust Trump, don’t you?
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:10 pm You only trust Trump, don’t you?
Once again because you are losing the argument and looking like a fool you resort to bleating Trump. As if that has any meaning.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:10 pm You only trust Trump, don’t you?
Another equally stupid question. You and he are the same in my view. So I don’t trust anything from either of you. I can’t tell who is more narcissistic or who lies more. As far as I’m concerned you are both at the same level on the piece of shit meter.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:53 am Great song. Great singer. And yet he died a violent death.
As so many do

The intractable conflict

Image

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WyI31w7CnU

A voice from the past cried "Give peace a chance"
He paid our price now he's free at last
Imagine, we called him a dreamer!
How many times must good men die?
How many tears will the children cry?
'Til they suffer no more sadness
Stop the madness,
Oh, stop the madness.
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Motor City wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:31 pm As so many do

The intractable conflict

Image

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WyI31w7CnU

A voice from the past cried "Give peace a chance"
He paid our price now he's free at last
Imagine, we called him a dreamer!
How many times must good men die?
How many tears will the children cry?
'Til they suffer no more sadness
Stop the madness,
Oh, stop the madness.
Peace isn’t possible unless both sides want peace. I’m not sure that condition exists between Hamas and Israel.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:31 pm Another equally stupid question. You and he are the same in my view. So I don’t trust anything from either of you. I can’t tell who is more narcissistic or who lies more. As far as I’m concerned you are both at the same level on the piece of shit meter.
You always come to his defense. You never say anything bad about him, and you do as he says. Like the never admitting when you are wrong. The always attacking others for what you yourself do.

And you’re a Trump-level liar. “Oh, Biden has completely opened our borders”.

What a maroon.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:05 pm You always come to his defense. You never say anything bad about him, and you do as he says. Like the never admitting when you are wrong. The always attacking others for what you yourself do.

And you’re a Trump-level liar. “Oh, Biden has completely opened our borders”.

What a maroon.
And you defend Tlaib AOC and the squad while pretending you are so stupid you can't tell figuratively from literally.
You are pretending aren't you?
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:10 pm You only trust Trump, don’t you?
What an idiotic question. Not surprising considering you don't have the ability to actually debate or discuss any subject.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:05 pm You always come to his defense. You never say anything bad about him, and you do as he says. Like the never admitting when you are wrong. The always attacking others for what you yourself do.

And you’re a Trump-level liar. “Oh, Biden has completely opened our borders”.

What a maroon.
Never. Well that’s more bullshit. But we are talking war and peace. Got anything to say on topic?
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:15 pm And you defend Tlaib AOC and the squad while pretending you are so stupid you can't tell figuratively from literally.
You are pretending aren't you?
You just hate anyone Muslim.

And love the Trumps and Musks of the world.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:27 pm Never. Well that’s more bullshit. But we are talking war and peace. Got anything to say on topic?
I never forced you to say anything about the border, did I?
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:27 pm I never forced you to say anything about the border, did I?
You claim I Never said anything bad about Trump. I have. The last time I pointed it out to you and told you to pin it for future reference. Further I compared Trump to You. I can’t think of a shittier thing to say about someone.

Again, anything on the actual topic? Any thoughts whatsoever?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:38 pm You claim I Never said anything bad about Trump. I have. The last time I pointed it out to you and told you to pin it for future reference. Further I compared Trump to You. I can’t think of a shittier thing to say about someone.

Again, anything on the actual topic? Any thoughts whatsoever?
Yet you spew his talking points, and you live by what he says - that's why you refuse to admit you lied even when caught red-handed. You run away from ACTUALLY attacking anything he says or does - while spewing lies about Biden all over the place.

And you support all the people that support Trump, and you vote to send them back to do his bidding.

Again, I didn't force you to bring the border up on this thread.

And you're pro-war and don't even like the idea of seeking peaceful resolutions to anything. Not much to say to that, for sure. I've pointed out that we should talk to our enemies - the fact that we did means that we are all here today. If we did things YOUR way, I wouldn't have seen my fourth birthday.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:42 pm Yet you spew his talking points, and you live by what he says - that's why you refuse to admit you lied even when caught red-handed. You run away from ACTUALLY attacking anything he says or does - while spewing lies about Biden all over the place.

And you support all the people that support Trump, and you vote to send them back to do his bidding.

Again, I didn't force you to bring the border up on this thread.

And you're pro-war and don't even like the idea of seeking peaceful resolutions to anything. Not much to say to that, for sure. I've pointed out that we should talk to our enemies - the fact that we did means that we are all here today. If we did things YOUR way, I wouldn't have seen my fourth birthday.
You should speak to something you know something about. The thread is War and Peace. I can speak for myself. But the thread isn’t about me. You don’t want to discuss the topic. You want to talk about me. And you can’t do that accurately or truthfully. So you resort to being a dick.

Anything on the topic? Do you have any thoughts of your own?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:45 pm You should speak to something you know something about. The thread is War and Peace. I can speak for myself. But the thread isn’t about me. You don’t want to discuss the topic. You want to talk about me. And you can’t do that accurately or truthfully. So you resort to being a dick.

Anything on the topic? Do you have any thoughts of your own?
I just spoke to it. You just can't handle it. I say we need to speak to our enemies. All you want is war.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:46 pm I just spoke to it. You just can't handle it. I say we need to speak to our enemies. All you want is war.
You would have to show me where I said war is the only answer. I never made that statement. But again, I’m not the topic of conversation.

In the Israeli and Palestinian conflict, I clearly said that both parties have to want peace for talks to be successful. I don’t see that either party wants peace. I don’t believe Hamas has ever had peaceful intentions and I don’t think they would ever agree to a peaceful two state solution. They have clearly stated their desire to eliminate Israel. Israel doesn’t trust Hamas. While they have expressed an interest in a two state solution, I don’t think they will ever trust Hamas to honor anything after Oct 7. Can’t say as I blame them.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:59 pm You would have to show me where I said war is the only answer. I never made that statement. But again, I’m not the topic of conversation.

In the Israeli and Palestinian conflict, I clearly said that both parties have to want peace for talks to be successful. I don’t see that either party wants peace. I don’t believe Hamas has ever had peaceful intentions and I don’t think they would ever agree to a peaceful two state solution. They have clearly stated their desire to eliminate Israel. Israel doesn’t trust Hamas. While they have expressed an interest in a two state solution, I don’t think they will ever trust Hamas to honor anything after Oct 7. Can’t say as I blame them.
If you refuse to talk to your enemies, then war IS the only answer. YOU are the one that says we shouldn't talk to our enemies. Go ahead, defend that.

Luckily, Joe Biden doesn't feel like you do. He's working to make a deal to release many of the hostages. Of course, anything Biden does, you'll attack.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/world/is ... index.html

Israel, Hamas and the US are on the cusp of reaching a deal that could be announced as soon as Tuesday for Hamas to release 50 women and children hostages that the militant group took during the October 7 terror attack on Israel, in exchange for a four-to-five day pause in fighting and three Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons for every hostage released, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

The deal could be announced as soon as Tuesday, two Israeli sources said. US officials close to the negotiations stressed that while the deal is not done, they are increasingly optimistic and believe the many weeks of difficult work is about to pay off with a hostage release.

“It’s very close,” a senior US official told CNN.

Israel’s war cabinet met Tuesday evening local time, followed by a meeting of the security cabinet. A full cabinet meeting will take place after the security cabinet meeting ends, according to the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“We are making progress. I don’t think it’s worth saying more, even at this moment, but I hope there will be good news soon,” Netanyahu said as he met with reservists on Tuesday.

Family and supporters of the estimated 240 hostages held by Hamas in Gaza complete the final leg of a five-day solidarity rally calling for their return, from Tel Aviv to the Prime Minister's office in Jerusalem, Saturday, Nov. 18, 2023. The hostages, mostly Israeli citizens, were abducted during the brutal Oct. 7 Hamas cross-border attack in Israel and have been held in the enclave since as war rages.

An agreement would prompt the first sustained pause in fighting and major de-escalatory step from Israel since the war began.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:03 pm If you refuse to talk to your enemies, then war IS the only answer. YOU are the one that says we shouldn't talk to our enemies. Go ahead, defend that.

Luckily, Joe Biden doesn't feel like you do. He's working to make a deal to release many of the hostages. Of course, anything Biden does, you'll attack.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/world/is ... index.html
It never hurts to talk. However, peace is only achieved when both parties want peace. Exchanging hostages or a temporary ceasefire doesn’t necessarily mean peace has been achieved or will be achieved.

As far as what I have or have not said, I never said we should never speak to your enemy. Another factual lie on your part. For a man that insists on parsing words and literal interpretation of written or oral statements, you sure do lie a lot. A lot. More often than not. It’s almost like you can’t make your point without lying. Force of habit on your part. Another of your super powers. Chronic lying.
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