Look for the Union Label

[Glennfs]

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/29/12222286 ... bolts-nuts

Boeing has found yet another problem with an airliner. Just like the other Boeing airliners with problems it was built at the Union plant in Washington State not the right to work plant in South Carolina.

[gounion]

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/29/12222286 ... bolts-nuts

Boeing has found yet another problem with an airliner. Just like the other Boeing airliners with problems it was built at the Union plant in Washington State not the right to work plant in South Carolina.

I guess don’t recall all the problems with the Dreamliner.

Any time you can attack the American worker you do.

[Glennfs]

I guess don’t recall all the problems with the Dreamliner.

Any time you can attack the American worker you do.

So if the airliners made in SC were falling out of the sky you wouldn't be talking about them being built by right to work workers

[gounion]

So if the airliners made in SC were falling out of the sky you wouldn't be talking about them being built by right to work workers

No airplanes are falling out of the sky.

Again, you can't make an argument on fact, so you make shit up.

And the airliners that did crash a few years ago didn't crash because of bad workmanship, they crashed because of faulty hardware and software design.

But then, you've never built airplanes, so I realize you're ignorant on the subject.

[Glennfs]

No airplanes are falling out of the sky.

Again, you can't make an argument on fact, so you make shit up.

And the airliners that did crash a few years ago didn't crash because of bad workmanship, they crashed because of faulty hardware and software design.

But then, you've never built airplanes, so I realize you're ignorant on the subject.

And once again you pretend you don't understand the difference between literally and figuratively

[gounion]

And once again you pretend you don't understand the difference between literally and figuratively

I do understand the difference between facts and wild fantasy. You do not.

[Number6]

So here's where glenn is displaying either his stupidity or his anti-union bias. He infers the reason for the missing bolt was because of unionized labor. However, the problem is one of quality assurance; that is, each step in the production process met the specific standard(s) determined by the company. IOWs, someone inspects the work of others to ensure standards are met. The problem is a production problem and labor, whether it's union or non-union, works to the standards the company sets.

It's just another one of his attempts to broad brush a liberal state and to imply a conservative state is better without any factual data to back up his claim.

[JoeMemphis]

So here's where glenn is displaying either his stupidity or his anti-union bias. He infers the reason for the missing bolt was because of unionized labor. However, the problem is one of quality assurance; that is, each step in the production process met the specific standard(s) determined by the company. IOWs, someone inspects the work of others to ensure standards are met. The problem is a production problem and labor, whether it's union or non-union, works to the standards the company sets.

It's just another one of his attempts to broad brush a liberal state and to imply a conservative state is better without any factual data to back up his claim.

I didn’t read anything in the link that said the standards were or were not proper. I also didn’t read anything that said it was a labor issue, be it union or non union. Maybe it’s one. Maybe it’s the other. Maybe it’s a combination of both. I’ll bet the standard is that nuts should be tight.

[Glennfs]

So here's where glenn is displaying either his stupidity or his anti-union bias. He infers the reason for the missing bolt was because of unionized labor. However, the problem is one of quality assurance; that is, each step in the production process met the specific standard(s) determined by the company. IOWs, someone inspects the work of others to ensure standards are met. The problem is a production problem and labor, whether it's union or non-union, works to the standards the company sets.

It's just another one of his attempts to broad brush a liberal state and to imply a conservative state is better without any factual data to back up his claim.

It's anti union bias I save stupidity for more important issues

[ZoWie]

Like immigration.

[Number6]

It's anti union bias I save stupidity for more important issues

Got it! You're anti-union and stupid on everything else.

[bradman]

Got it! You're anti-union and stupid on everything else.

That's pretty much how i read it.

[Glennfs]

Got it! You're anti-union and stupid on everything else.

Well I did vote for Gritz, Fritz and Metz once.
Carter-Mondale- Metzenbaum

[ZoWie]

"Look for the union label" is an old ad jingle by the ILGWU. The garment workers. To see the alternative to unionization in that field, google Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.

[bradman]

i'll gladly google it....

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20 ... waist-fire
Importance of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

The fire helped unite organized labor and reform-minded politicians like progressive New York Governor Alfred E. Smith and Senator Robert F. Wagner, one of the legislative architects of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal agenda. Frances Perkins, who served on a committee that helped to set up the Factory Investigating Commission in New York in the wake of the fire, would later become Roosevelt’s Secretary of Labor. The workers union set up a march on April 5 on New York’s Fifth Avenue to protest the conditions that had led to the fire. It was attended by 80,000 people.

Despite a good deal of evidence that the owners and management had been horribly negligent in the fire, a grand jury failed to indict them on manslaughter charges. To settle lawsuits against them, they eventually paid $75 in compensation to each victim’s family—a fraction of the $400 per death that they were paid by their insurer.

Still, the massacre for which they were responsible did finally compel the city to enact reform. In addition to the Sullivan-Hoey Fire Prevention Law passed that October, the New York Democratic set took up the cause of the worker and became known as a reform party. Both were crucial in preventing similar disasters in the future.

Now, lets bitch about government regulations.....

[ZoWie]

The building itself survived the fire. It's occupied by NYU now, and there's a plaque on it commemorating the event. Like many such disasters, it woke up a lot of people to the kind of shit that the greedoids had been allowed to get away with in the absence of organized labor.

[bradman]

The Triangle factory, owned by Max Blanck and Isaac Harris, was located in the top three floors of the Asch Building, on the corner of Greene Street and Washington Place, in Manhattan. It was a true sweatshop, employing young immigrant women who worked in a cramped space at lines of sewing machines. Nearly all the workers were teenaged girls who did not speak English and worked 12 hours a day, every day. In 1911, there were four elevators with access to the factory floors, but only one was fully operational and the workers had to file down a long, narrow corridor in order to reach it. There were two stairways down to the street, but one was locked from the outside to prevent stealing and the other only opened inward. The fire escape was so narrow that it would have taken hours for all the workers to use it, even in the best of circumstances.

[bold] Now that's what's lacking nowadays. A good work discipline. Ya catch the drift every time they mumble about nobody wanting to work anymore. A good work discipline is one thing. Being forced to work yourself to the bone another.


What's always made me wonder......Without organized labor and the right to bargain...What makes people think Bozo wouldn't go further than he has at Amazon?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rkers-died
They were forced to stay at work as a tornado bore down. Would a union have saved them?

Why did eight workers at a Kentucky candle factory and six workers at an Illinois Amazon warehouse die this week? They were killed when a powerful tornado destroyed their workplaces, but it wasn’t really the storm that killed them, any more than a sailor forced to walk the plank is killed only by the waves. They were not random victims. They were sacrificed. We here in the most advanced nation on earth offered them up to the gods that we actually worship.

Why did they die? They died because they were inside their workplaces in the path of the storm. They died because they did not leave work before disaster struck. And they did not leave work because they were allegedly ordered not to, by their bosses. The factory workers in Kentucky say that managers threatened to fire them if they left. Amazon workers say that they were told not to leave in advance of the storm. They also say that lack of adequate safety procedures is par for the course at Amazon, where the employee handbook notifies workers that they can be fired for leaving without “permission”.

[bradman]

Back to the premise of the thread for a bit...

During a regular maintenance check a union(?) mechanic notice a missing nut with a number of others being loose. Instead of throwing a nut on, tightening the rest, and letting it go, he sent it through the proper safety procedures. Boeing took notice a flaw in a nut, bolt, and torque specs. They put out a maintenance update with all planes to be checked and upgraded within 2 weeks. i'd call that a nice catch. Good job.

The rest of the article is about the flawed automated flight control system called MCAS. If i remember the conversation from a year or so ago....It was pointed out by another poster here that the MCAS was farmed out to unqualified subs instead of the high payed Boing engineers. Ya know, as a way to cut costs. About the same thing happens when a company tries to cut costs by busting Unions. Now i'm not saying all non union shops are bad. But the pressure to cut costs without the safety procedures of a union, or something like it, could be problematic in the long run.

[Glennfs]

Look we all know good and well if the problems were with the planes built at the right to work plant GoU would have been all over it.

[bradman]

Look we all know good and well if the problems were with the planes built at the right to work plant GoU would have been all over it.

So it was click bait for a flame war and you had no intention of initiating a conversation?

[gounion]

Look we all know good and well if the problems were with the planes built at the right to work plant GoU would have been all over it.

Nope.

[Glennfs]

Nope.

Bullshit. You've done so in the past

[Glennfs]

So it was click bait for a flame war and you had no intention of initiating a conversation?

I have yet to see anyone on the left attempt a conversation.
My first thought was what if these planes were being built at the right to work plant

We all know that the right to work workers would be having their skill level and work effort questioned.

[bradman]

I have yet to see anyone on the left attempt a conversation.
My first thought was what if these planes were being built at the right to work plant

We all know that the right to work workers would be having their skill level and work effort questioned.

http://www.radiofreeliberal.com/viewtop ... 836#p77836

No insults. No flame war. And from you, no comment. No discussion.

[ZoWie]

I didn't comment on the right to work issue because I didn't find it relevant to the situation described in the original post.