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BBC, as usual:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68122706
Three US troops have been killed and 25 injured in a drone attack on a US base in Jordan, the US military said.

US Central Command said in a statement the casualties were caused by a drone attack at a base near the Syria border.

US President Joe Biden said that the attack was carried out by "radical Iran-backed militant groups".
Can you imagine if there had been a Republican president? We'd be reinstating the draft and mobilizing industry about now. Instead, let's just leave it that the old saw about changing horses in mid stream is relevant again.
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Full text of Presidential statement:
Today, America’s heart is heavy. Last night, three U.S. service members were killed—and many wounded—during an unmanned aerial drone attack on our forces stationed in northeast Jordan near the Syria border. While we are still gathering the facts of this attack, we know it was carried out by radical Iran-backed militant groups operating in Syria and Iraq.

Jill and I join the families and friends of our fallen—and Americans across the country—in grieving the loss of these warriors in this despicable and wholly unjust attack. These service members embodied the very best of our nation: Unwavering in their bravery. Unflinching in their duty. Unbending in their commitment to our country— risking their own safety for the safety of their fellow Americans, and our allies and partners with whom we stand in the fight against terrorism. It is a fight we will not cease.

The three American service members we lost were patriots in the highest sense. And their ultimate sacrifice will never be forgotten by our nation. Together, we will keep the sacred obligation we bear to their families. We will strive to be worthy of their honor and valor. We will carry on their commitment to fight terrorism. And have no doubt — we will hold all those responsible to account at a time and in a manner our choosing.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ia-border/
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Another Biden failure
Since he has taken office we have seen

The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan
Putin attack Ukraine
Palestine attack Isreal and the democratic party blame Israel
Now this as well as other failures

This is what happens when the United States has a weak and ineffective president.
Would the same have happened under Trump? Our opinions on that do not matter because the fact is it did happen under Biden
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:52 pm Another Biden failure
Since he has taken office we have seen

The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan
Putin attack Ukraine
Palestine attack Isreal and the democratic party blame Israel
Now this as well as other failures

This is what happens when the United States has a weak and ineffective president.
Would the same have happened under Trump? Our opinions on that do not matter because the fact is it did happen under Biden
Ah yes, using all the Trump talking points.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:44 pm Ah yes, using all the Trump talking points.
There you go again you know you are 100pct wrong so you bleat Trump
Otherwise you would give a well thought out response.
We don't even know if they are Trump talking points. You just automatically go there.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:49 pm There you go again you know you are 100pct wrong so you bleat Trump
Otherwise you would give a well thought out response.
We don't even know if they are Trump talking points. You just automatically go there.
Of COURSE they are. You want to force Biden to war so you can call him a warmonger.

You cheer AGAINST America when Biden is in charge.
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Biden says “we will respond”.

Doesn’t mean all-out war with Iran, which of course is always what the right wants. I’m glad we have a smart, experienced hand on the wheel. I believe he will make a smart, reasoned decision.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:12 pm Biden says “we will respond”.

Doesn’t mean all-out war with Iran, which of course is always what the right wants. I’m glad we have a smart, experienced hand on the wheel. I believe he will make a smart, reasoned decision.
I doubt we have much of a response. Biden is totally lost. He has far to many advisors who were hired for political appearances.
I just hope he listens to a does whatever the Pentagon advises.
A smart experienced hand what a joke.
The man was below average when he was in college. Below average in the Senate and far below average now.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:21 pm I doubt we have much of a response. Biden is totally lost. He has far to many advisors who were hired for political appearances.
I just hope he listens to a does whatever the Pentagon advises.
A smart experienced hand what a joke.
The man was below average when he was in college. Below average in the Senate and far below average now.
Why do you do that?

Do you have any idea of what has been happening in the Red Sea?

To blow something of such importance off with such click bait bullshit is the reason we are in the mess we are in.

That kind of bullshit does not do the original intent of the thread any justice.
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bradman wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:51 pm Why do you do that?

Do you have any idea of what has been happening in the Red Sea?

To blow something of such importance off with such click bait bullshit is the reason we are in the mess we are in.

That kind of bullshit does not do the original intent of the thread any justice.
Because imo the main reason the world is so fucked up right now is because we followed 4 years of Trump with 4 years of Biden.
The two worse presidents in our lifetimes.
To find a president as bad as either you would need to go back to Warren G Harding.

Here we are about to re-elect one of them for a second term. All because the republican primary voters are fucking stupid and the democratic party has no leadership that can step up and tell Biden step aside.
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Worse president than Nixon? Are you reality-impaired?
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ZoWie wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:47 am Worse president than Nixon? Are you reality-impaired?
Nixon had a lot of accomplishments before his paranoia took him down.
We aren't talking about being a bad person. We are talking about being a bad president.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:13 pm Nixon had a lot of accomplishments before his paranoia took him down.
We aren't talking about being a bad person. We are talking about being a bad president.

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/richard-nixon

5th and 6th paragraphs are only a partial list of his accomplishments.
I can't think of anything Biden has accomplished. He has done a good job on getting things restarted after the pandemic. Something any president other than Trump could have done.
His failures far outweigh anything he has done as president.
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I don't waste my time arguing with true believers.

I'll just note that Biden has a House leadership that has, after a couple of spending bills got through by a few votes, stymied everything else he has sent them. There is essentially no foreign policy and absolutely no border policy as a direct result. The strategy has always been to neutralize Biden and then call him a weak president.

Anyway, it looks like a lock that he will be running against drumpf, therefore any anti-Biden agitation is de facto campaigning for the worst president we ever had. How quickly we forgot that he's the guy who said drinking or injecting bleach cures Covid, and who insinuated that masks made the problem worse, and then started wearing a mask after he GOT Covid. After all, it was clear that he would have died had he not been POTUS, and had not been immediately helicoptered to Walter Reed and given a treatment that you and I would not have been eligible for at that early time.

But that's nothing compared to how he went out. Remember that he's the one who threw his lunch at the wall and plotted a coup d'etat after it became clear that he had lost the election for his second term. The evidence for this statement is clear, well-presented, and compelling. Those who choose not to believe it are entitled to that opinion, but you will never get me to agree.

If we, as an electorate, are really stupid enough to give him a second term anyway, after further pissing off him and his true believers, it will threaten the nation's survival as any kind of leader on the world stage. It's practically asking for Putin to have his way worldwide, and for the US to become a weak object of ridicule as it self-destructs into Internet-driven chaos or worse.

With that, I will weakly bow out from any further discussion, due to my life experience of what happens when you try to argue with the convinced. I just had to get it off my chest. I will not pursue this matter any further with those who have their minds made up. We can have civil discussions on other matters, but on the topic of Biden's weakness, there will be no further possibility of discussion with me at all.

The rest is silence.
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ZoWie wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:36 pm I don't waste my time arguing with true believers.

I'll just note that Biden has a House leadership that has, after a couple of spending bills got through by a few votes, stymied everything else he has sent them. There is essentially no foreign policy and absolutely no border policy as a direct result. The strategy has always been to neutralize Biden and then call him a weak president.

Anyway, it looks like a lock that he will be running against drumpf, therefore any anti-Biden agitation is de facto campaigning for the worst president we ever had. How quickly we forgot that he's the guy who said drinking or injecting bleach cures Covid, and who insinuated that masks made the problem worse, and then started wearing a mask after he GOT Covid. After all, it was clear that he would have died had he not been POTUS, and had not been immediately helicoptered to Walter Reed and given a treatment that you and I would not have been eligible for at that early time.

But that's nothing compared to how he went out. Remember that he's the one who threw his lunch at the wall and plotted a coup d'etat after it became clear that he had lost the election for his second term. The evidence for this statement is clear, well-presented, and compelling. Those who choose not to believe it are entitled to that opinion, but you will never get me to agree.

If we, as an electorate, are really stupid enough to give him a second term anyway, after further pissing off him and his true believers, it will threaten the nation's survival as any kind of leader on the world stage. It's practically asking for Putin to have his way worldwide, and for the US to become a weak object of ridicule as it self-destructs into Internet-driven chaos or worse.

With that, I will weakly bow out from any further discussion, due to my life experience of what happens when you try to argue with the convinced. I just had to get it off my chest. I will not pursue this matter any further with those who have their minds made up. We can have civil discussions on other matters, but on the topic of Biden's weakness, there will be no further possibility of discussion with me at all.

The rest is silence.
You sound pretty convinced yourself. Trump being a bad President (and he was) doesn’t make Biden a good one. If that is your logic then it is very weak logic. But if you wish to bow out I will leave it at that.
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ZoWie wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:36 pm I don't waste my time arguing with true believers.

I'll just note that Biden has a House leadership that has, after a couple of spending bills got through by a few votes, stymied everything else he has sent them. There is essentially no foreign policy and absolutely no border policy as a direct result. The strategy has always been to neutralize Biden and then call him a weak president.

Anyway, it looks like a lock that he will be running against drumpf, therefore any anti-Biden agitation is de facto campaigning for the worst president we ever had. How quickly we forgot that he's the guy who said drinking or injecting bleach cures Covid, and who insinuated that masks made the problem worse, and then started wearing a mask after he GOT Covid. After all, it was clear that he would have died had he not been POTUS, and had not been immediately helicoptered to Walter Reed and given a treatment that you and I would not have been eligible for at that early time.

But that's nothing compared to how he went out. Remember that he's the one who threw his lunch at the wall and plotted a coup d'etat after it became clear that he had lost the election for his second term. The evidence for this statement is clear, well-presented, and compelling. Those who choose not to believe it are entitled to that opinion, but you will never get me to agree.

If we, as an electorate, are really stupid enough to give him a second term anyway, after further pissing off him and his true believers, it will threaten the nation's survival as any kind of leader on the world stage. It's practically asking for Putin to have his way worldwide, and for the US to become a weak object of ridicule as it self-destructs into Internet-driven chaos or worse.

With that, I will weakly bow out from any further discussion, due to my life experience of what happens when you try to argue with the convinced. I just had to get it off my chest. I will not pursue this matter any further with those who have their minds made up. We can have civil discussions on other matters, but on the topic of Biden's weakness, there will be no further possibility of discussion with me at all.

The rest is silence.
Admitting we have no border policy at this point in Biden's administration then blaming Republicans is very weak.
Had President Biden came out with a tough border policy at the beginning of his administration we would not have had the border crisis we are now seeing.
Even now he is only offering one if it's tied to other spending. Plus, I believe I've seen it here and know I've heard it on Sirius Progress give the Republicans a border deal then cancel it after the next election.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:42 pm Admitting we have no border policy at this point in Biden's administration then blaming Republicans is very weak.
Had President Biden came out with a tough border policy at the beginning of his administration we would not have had the border crisis we are now seeing.
Even now he is only offering one if it's tied to other spending. Plus, I believe I've seen it here and know I've heard it on Sirius Progress give the Republicans a border deal then cancel it after the next election.
Sorry Zowie, i gotta hear this.

[bold]What other spending?
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No, I don't care what other people post, I just like to use my time for something besides arguing with the convinced. Bandwidth is scarce on a board like this one because bandwidth is like speed in race cars... how fast you go is proportional to how much time and money you throw at the process. We all know who has the scratch to be first in line when the flag comes down in US politics, and it sure isn't us.

This board seemed like a good idea, but the commercial structure of the Internet combined in a positive reinforcement scenario with what people on the business news channels call "fair competition." Basically, we have spent years proving that there's still no substitute for cubic money. We're not twitter, sorry, X, and if we were some robber baron would just buy our asses out and turn the board into an incoherent time waster.

It gets worse, though. No one can start an account because new accounts have long since succumbed to the Russian spambots. This is a provable fact amply supported by the evidence that is seen daily, beyond all rational denial, but still in the end it means that the side with the scratch wins.

In my circles, Internet is a marketing tool. Very large and profitable corporations throw billions of dollars into cultivating "influencers." They wine and dine them. Many are too young to drink what is served at the parties, but that seems to be no constraint. You can usually be sure that what you see for your entertainment is largely determined by the unformed tastes of 15-year-olds.

I thought this board could be better than that, but at some point the money from the other people is impossible to fight any longer.

I'm not going anywhere, since I'll go down with the ship on this one, but still, there are constraints on my time and I do not want to spend two hours a day arguing with the convinced.

So we will just go on with a situation in which three users frame the debate, same way their political identity group frames the debate on more visible media.

The only silence you will get from me is with regard to the border. It's obviously a very emotionally charged issue and there's no place for rational debate based on the facts. Therefore, I don't go there anymore.

My bad on the Middle East. I dropped radio silence a couple of weeks ago because we'd reached the point where the fundamentals were being debated daily. I should have said something to that effect. It has no real world significance, though. That's because this particular debate is based on personal experience and religious beliefs, and outside the limited province of rational thought. In fact, rational thought has no positive effect, and it never will. Still, since all the brown stuff was already in the fan, I had no more reason to quit the game.

I've also decided to drastically limit my time spent on Biden, since this an election year, and rational assessment of his performance is impossible. I'll just leave it that it seems rare that anyone with all the qualifications to be president actually survives the campaign process in either party.

Now, for goodness sakes, can we get back to the escalating situation in the Middle East? It is currently the major threat to the survival of this species, yet it gets 1/10 the attention compared to today's drumpf tantrum.
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bradman wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:54 am Sorry Zowie, i gotta hear this.

[bold]What other spending?
Money for Ukraine
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:48 am No, I don't care what other people post, I just like to use my time for something besides arguing with the convinced. Bandwidth is scarce on a board like this one because bandwidth is like speed in race cars... how fast you go is proportional to how much time and money you throw at the process. We all know who has the scratch to be first in line when the flag comes down in US politics, and it sure isn't us.

This board seemed like a good idea, but the commercial structure of the Internet combined in a positive reinforcement scenario with what people on the business news channels call "fair competition." Basically, we have spent years proving that there's still no substitute for cubic money. We're not twitter, sorry, X, and if we were some robber baron would just buy our asses out and turn the board into an incoherent time waster.

It gets worse, though. No one can start an account because new accounts have long since succumbed to the Russian spambots. This is a provable fact amply supported by the evidence that is seen daily, beyond all rational denial, but still in the end it means that the side with the scratch wins.

In my circles, Internet is a marketing tool. Very large and profitable corporations throw billions of dollars into cultivating "influencers." They wine and dine them. Many are too young to drink what is served at the parties, but that seems to be no constraint. You can usually be sure that what you see for your entertainment is largely determined by the unformed tastes of 15-year-olds.

I thought this board could be better than that, but at some point the money from the other people is impossible to fight any longer.

I'm not going anywhere, since I'll go down with the ship on this one, but still, there are constraints on my time and I do not want to spend two hours a day arguing with the convinced.

So we will just go on with a situation in which three users frame the debate, same way their political identity group frames the debate on more visible media.

The only silence you will get from me is with regard to the border. It's obviously a very emotionally charged issue and there's no place for rational debate based on the facts. Therefore, I don't go there anymore.

My bad on the Middle East. I dropped radio silence a couple of weeks ago because we'd reached the point where the fundamentals were being debated daily. I should have said something to that effect. It has no real world significance, though. That's because this particular debate is based on personal experience and religious beliefs, and outside the limited province of rational thought. In fact, rational thought has no positive effect, and it never will. Still, since all the brown stuff was already in the fan, I had no more reason to quit the game.

I've also decided to drastically limit my time spent on Biden, since this an election year, and rational assessment of his performance is impossible. I'll just leave it that it seems rare that anyone with all the qualifications to be president actually survives the campaign process in either party.

Now, for goodness sakes, can we get back to the escalating situation in the Middle East? It is currently the major threat to the survival of this species, yet it gets 1/10 the attention compared to today's drumpf tantrum.
What is it you propose in the Middle East? I know I don’t have any easy answers. Nobody does. But maybe you have some thoughts on how to eradicate Hamas and eliminate that threat to Israel without the use of military force. I done see how that works differently from what is currently happening. What choices do the Israelis have other than finish what Hamas has started and rebuild or accept or allow that some of Hamas will live on the Israeli border to fight again and kill more Israelis? What is the rational thinking on this?
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Unlike everyone else, I have no solution to propose. Like in most of these situations there's the releasing cause, which is the Hamas attack, and the underlying cause, which is still being debated but common sense suggests that Gaza should not have been left by the world as an open sore for as long as it was.

Now the delicate global economic system, which had barely recovered from the covid, is threatened again. The whole region where we get most of our oil is on the verge of a full meltdown. Three of our troops are dead and the US will retaliate at a time and place of its choosing. These are very scary times.

The whole world order, which is tenuous on a good day, is having a very bad time right now. Back in the war zone, a bunch of traditionally bellicose countries with nuclear bombs appear to be growing closer to mutually assured destruction. I have no trite ten-word solution for any of that either.

It's a bad show all around, if you ask me, but no one did. Everyone's mind is made up and I'm just going to let the people with more skin in the game than I have go at it without me.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=106800543

Why would a president announce information like this.
Personally I think it is one of two things.
Either disinformation to confuse the enemy
Or
We are going to bomb meaningless targets in a politically motivated response. One where the 35pct of voters who think Biden is smart experienced and doing a great job can heap meaningless praise on him.
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If it was anybody but Biden you'd be screaming for some kind of military shitstorm that would make Dien Bien Phu look like a goldarn weenie roast.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:38 pm Money for Ukraine
Unreal. That's what i thought.

It was back at the beginning of Dec. that the republicans decided to attach the issue of our southern border to Ukraine funding. They're blackmailing Biden while Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan hang in the balance. Not cool.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:12 pm If it was anybody but Biden you'd be screaming for some kind of military shitstorm that would make Dien Bien Phu look like a goldarn weenie roast.
Tyrants know the United States is currently so divided that they can get away with just about anything and it's not all Biden's fault.

He tried to do the correct thing in the Ukraine and the Republicans opposed him.

He tried to the correct thing in Israel and the progressive caucus opposed him.

Combine that with his 35pct approval number and you have a weak and ineffective president. No matter if we like it or not yhe president of the United States is the leader of the free world.

Both the House and Senate and both parties should have been behind President Biden in both the Ukraine and Isreal.

We are seeing what happens when we have a weak and ineffective president. The current world situation would not have happened under Obama, W or HW, HRC OR Bill C or Reagan.

What we and the world needs is a competent and strong president. One that the world respects and has a certain degree of fear of.

What the world doesn't need is 4 more years of Biden or Trump.

In the meantime we are stuck with Biden and our two parties need to support him in world affairs.
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