JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:02 pm
I guess we disagree as to unprecedented and unreasonable. As a financial person, when fraud in the inducement is alleged, we have to prove both a material misstatement and reliance on that misstatement. In this case, there may well have been misstatements but no lender relied on those statements to make lending decisions. Real estate lenders do their own due diligence to arrive at real estate valuations. They never rely on the borrowers statements of value. I’ve been doing this over 35 years and I have never seen a loan on real estate that didn’t involve the lender doing their own due diligence. In this case there are no victims. None. No lender is a victim. If you want to fine the man for making false statements then those fines can’t be based on actual damages unless you can produce actual victims. This looks a lot like a money grab by the state and politically motivated. Show me a case where NY hauled in a borrower on a charge like this when there was zero loss to the lender and the loan never went into default. Also show me where such fines were imposed for false statements when there were no victims and no damages. I haven’t heard of such a case. Maybe you have. You claim it isn’t unprecedented or unreasonable so there must be case history or you wouldn’t make such claims.
More Trump nonsense. More Trump lies.
You seem to be ignorant of New York law. Completely and totally. You have no idea of what the Trump organization was actually charged with.
You are not acting as a professional. Quit pretending like you are.
Tell me who was harmed by Hunter Biden's gun charges?
Oh, wait, just go run the fuck away, you gutless coward.
So, is he lying or are his lawyers lying in court? I dunno if you know this, Joe, but that’s illegal as hell and could get them disbarred.
I doubt their begging of the appeals court for relief will work now.
It’ll be an interesting four days.
Hard to tell which one is lying. All Trump is trying to do is delay until after November.
After he loses I wonder how he will go about closing all the charges against him.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:52 am
Hard to tell which one is lying. All Trump is trying to do is delay until after November.
After he loses I wonder how he will go about closing all the charges against him.
If it's between Trump and anyone else, It's a 99% that it's Trump that's lying.
Joe tries to pretend he’s an expert on these things, but he’s not. Fox News even admitted that Trump is lying when he says the size of the bond is “unprecedented”. https://www.rawstory.com/fox-news-trump-bond/
Fox News host Eric Shawn pointed out that Donald Trump's claim that his New York fraud bond is unprecedented was simply "not true."
During an interview with former federal prosecutor Alex Little, Shawn noted that Trump had repeatedly made the claim about the $545 million bond.
"We've also heard there's a lot of talk about this is unprecedented amount of money," Shawn explained on Sunday. "This has never happened before. But that's actually not true."
"This is from Letitia James, the attorney general's own court papers on the show to right now," he continued. "There have been bigger bonds in the history book from one billion dollars to one and a half billion dollars. That was a Carnegie Mellon patent case."
Notice how Joe, who swears he doesn’t support Trump, will never call out Trump’s lies, and instead completely carries his water and repeats his false talking points?
If Eric Trump was looking for some sympathy over his family being unable to find anyone willing to back a half-billion-dollar appeal bond by Monday, he won't find too many shoulders to cry on if he checks out X, formerly known as Twitter.
During a Sunday morning appearance on Fox News with host Maria Bartiromo, Donald Trump's middle son went on an extended rant about the unfairness of the penalty after the Trump Organization was found guilty of committing financial fraud by Judge Arthur Engoron.
Where he might have lost any shred of sympathy he was seeking was when he whined that financial institutions laughed at the half billion dollar request aimed at keeping New York Attorney General Letitia James from seizing the family's assets with a deadline set for Monday.
Specifically, he complained, "Maria, they were laughing. They were laughing. Top executives of the largest surety companies had never seen anything of this size. And what, they're going to start seizing assets if he can't put up something that's not available in the United States?"
That opened the door for critics of the Trump family to pile on, with one commenter writing, "They wouldn’t have laughed at real Billionaires."
After that, came the deluge of snarky comments.
"I can’t imagine why no one would want to give a billion dollar loan to someone who went bankrupt in the 80s and again in the 90s then spent 20 years falsely inflating the value of everything he owned to secure fraudulent loans," wrote Pro Lib.
Darren Kaplan imagined the conversation went, "Hi, we're some of the most notorious deadbeats on the planet. Can I have a bond to stay a judgment that found us liable for defrauding our lenders for decades? Why are you laughing?"
With one X user writing, "They were laughing AT you, Eric," SnarkTank added, "Oh my God he’s so close to getting it."
"This is what happens when you stiff everyone that you do business with," Critically Independent helpfully offered.
"His daddy just said he has a half billion in cash why is out there begging for it? Why doesn’t his sister loan it to him?" another added.
Don Green suggested an alternative way to raise the money, writing, "I'd pay to watch a video of that. They should have recorded the 30 rejections. IT would be gold. Might be able to raise the $500M."
"So Eric, most people ask relatives to help with things like bonds when they get into trouble. Do you have any brothers in law who may have access to a half billion? I seem to remember one of them got hold of some Saudi money for an inexplicable reason," Roberto Gee asked.
Tom Dunn suggested the laughter was "The moment when he realized the grift was up."
From legal analysts to political strategists, social media erupted on Sunday with people eager to pin Donald Trump with a new nickname.
Trump, who has long been considered the king of political nicknames, has previously dubbed President Joe Biden "Sleepy Joe" and then, ultimately, "Crooked Joe." Now, the internet would like to bestow a name upon the former president as he faces a crucial deadline to pay get a bond for hundreds of millions of dollars a court ordered him to pay for fraud. The name is Don "Poorleone."
Truth Social is another Trump scam. it's a failing network - truly so. Only about five million users are active on the site, compared to billions on X and TikTok. It's always lost tons of money, and has to merge with another company. Going public may give him money short-term, but Trump has never had a non-real estate business that didn't go broke and out of business.
Never. Everything he's touched has been a disaster. His real estate and casino businesses have also went bankrupt many times.
The ONLY thing he's ever done that was successful was the realty TV show he starred in, and that's because he was just an employee, he didn't run the show. They scripted it, and he played pretend to be a big shot.
When he loses in November, Truth Social will fold, and everyone that put money into it will lose everything. Except Trump, of course, who will have cashed out.
Looks like a case of the Appeals Court splitting the baby so as to appear reasonable. Trump uses that to his advantage. He’s very good at playing the courts. But not so good actually winning in court.
But I’m sure Glenn and Joe will come to the thread like Bantam Roosters claiming victory, all the while telling us they don’t support Trump.
gounion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:17 am
Looks like a case of the Appeals Court splitting the baby so as to appear reasonable. Trump uses that to his advantage. He’s very good at playing the courts. But not so good actually winning in court.
But I’m sure Glenn and Joe will come to the thread like Bantam Roosters claiming victory, all the while telling us they don’t support Trump.
No actually I believe the ruling was very fair.
It must really bother you that nobody here actually supports Trump. So you simply make things up.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:19 am
No actually I believe the ruling was very fair.
It must really bother you that nobody here actually supports Trump. So you simply make things up.
How could it be fair? The law says you have to put up the full amount.
Go ahead, explain why Trump deserves special treatment.
gounion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:21 am
How could it be fair? The law says you have to put up the full amount.
Go ahead, explain why Trump deserves special treatment.
Because over 400 million for a victimless crime where there was no complaint seems a little excessive.
But then I want justice while you want vengeance
Glennfs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:25 am
Because over 400 million for a victimless crime where there was no complaint seems a little excessive.
But then I want justice while you want vengeance
See? Trump talking point 100%. Thanks for proving my point.
Yep, the judge and the entire state of New York is just out to get poor victim Donald.
Trump responded by falsely asserting he had won the case on appeal.
"Judge [Arthur] Engoron has refused to obey the decision of the Appellate Division relative to the Statute of Limitations," Trump posted on Truth Social. "This is a confrontation between a Judge and those that rule above him - A very bad situation in which to place New York State and the Rule of Law!"
"Engoron has disrespected the Appellate Division and its very clear and precise ruling," Trump added. "He should be made to do so, and at the same time, release the GAG ORDER. This is the 5th time in this case that he has been overturned, a record. His credibility, and that of Letitia James, has been shattered. We will abide by the decision of the Appellate Division, and post either a bond, equivalent securities, or cash. This also shows how ridiculous and outrageous Engoron’s original decision was at $450 Million. I DID NOTHING WRONG, AND NEW YORK SHOULD NEVER BE PUT IN A POSITION LIKE THIS AGAIN. BUSINESSES ARE FLEEING, VIOLENT CRIME IS FLOURISHING, AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS BE RESOLVED IN ITS TOTALITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU!"
gounion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:27 am
See? Trump talking point 100%. Thanks for proving my point.
Yep, the judge and the entire state of New York is just out to get poor victim Donald.
Again there is no discussion with you every response is exactly the same.
Personally I have so much going on I don't have time to look up or care what Trump says on any issue.
But then politics isn't my hobby.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:35 am
Trump definitely lives in your head.
No, he lives in YOURS, and you’re here always in his defense.
I won’t vote for him and his minions. If, after everything he’s done, an elected official supports him instead of the Constitution, that person does not deserve to be in office.
gounion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:42 am
The Stormy Daniels election interference case in New York. Do try to keep up. Is this not on Trump’s feed yet today for you?
Again politics isn't my hobby and Trump isn't my obsession.
He will have a hard time postponing that one.
