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Explainer: Biden and the Filibuster

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Yes, I know Reuters is a left wing biased source. :roll:

I think this explains the present issues fairly well.

Explainer: Why does Joe Biden want to scrap the U.S. Senate's 'filibuster' rule?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/governmen ... 022-01-11/

[snip]

Once a rarity, the filibuster is now routinely invoked. In recent months, Republicans have used it to block voting-rights bills and bring the United States perilously close to a crippling debt default.

[snip]

Unlike the House of Representatives, the Senate was set up to allow for unlimited debate. In the 19th century, lawmakers developed the filibuster - a word derived from Dutch and Spanish terms for Caribbean pirates - as a way to talk a bill to death.

Then-Democratic Senator Strom Thurmond set the record in 1957, when spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes to block a major civil rights bill. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy spoke for nearly 15 hours in 2016 to press for gun-control legislation and Republican Senator Ted Cruz spoke for more than 21 hours in 2013 to protest President Barack Obama's signature Affordable Care Act. None of those efforts were successful.

Senators agreed in 1917 that a vote by a two-thirds majority could end debate on a given bill. That majority was reduced in 1975 to three-fifths of the Senate, currently 60 senators.

Under current rules, senators don't need to talk to gum up the works -- they merely need to register their objection to initiate a filibuster.

Over the past 50 years, the number of filibusters has skyrocketed as Democrats and Republicans have become more politically polarized. From 1969 to 1970 there were six votes to overcome a filibuster, the nearest reliable proxy. There were 298 such votes in the 2019-2020 legislative session.

[snip]

CAN THE FILIBUSTER BE CHANGED?

There have already been changes.

In 2013, Democrats removed the 60-vote threshold for voting on most nominees for administration jobs, apart from the Supreme Court, allowing them to advance on a simple majority vote.

In 2017, Republicans did the same thing for Supreme Court nominees. Both the 2013 and 2017 Senate rule changes were made by simple majority votes.

Some Democrats have called for eliminating the filibuster entirely, but they lack the 50 votes needed to take that step.

Democrats plan to vote sometime over the next week to scale back the filibuster so it would not apply to voting-related legislation. But it's not clear whether they have the votes for this either; Manchin said last week that he would prefer to get some Republican buy-in for that change.

On Sunday he said he might support making the tactic more "painful" by requiring senators to keep talking on the Senate floor.

[snip][end]

Here's MHO:

1. Time to stop arguing whether or not there should be carve-outs. There have already been carve-outs. That horse has left the barn. Thus, the only arguments remaining over where the carve-outs should be. Personally, I support a carve-out for voting rights.
2. It seems like almost all the Senate moderates, including Manchin, favor a return to the "original way" - call it the "stand and talk till you drop" filibuster - I think this is the way it should work. But no, I don't favor its elimination. If only and mostly because someday a future Dem Senate legislative minority might need it to stop some really bad GOP legislation.
3. We probably won't agree on what should be filibustered, but this much I hope we could agree: it should be used less, and one way to insure that is not to make it so ridiculously easy. Basically just flap your finger, and now everything requires 60 votes, not majority rule, and that is (small d) undemocratic. Legislative minorities might have rights, just not one to unlimited obstructionism.
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The best thing that could happen to the democratic party is for Manchin to vote against changing the Senate rules.

He saved the country and the democratic party from build back broke and hopefully he will do the same again.

Folks on the left.are being short sighted. Imagine if in 3 years we were looking at another trump presidency and no filibuster.
Just like the Republicans expanded on the rule changes regarding judicial appointments. This rule change will open the door for trump to have free reign
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:36 am The best thing that could happen to the democratic party is for Manchin to vote against changing the Senate rules.

He saved the country and the democratic party from build back broke and hopefully he will do the same again.

Folks on the left.are being short sighted. Imagine if in 3 years we were looking at another trump presidency and no filibuster.
Just like the Republicans expanded on the rule changes regarding judicial appointments. This rule change will open the door for trump to have free reign
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Republicans will nuke the filibuster the first chance they get.
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gounion wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:37 am Partisan. You want to be able to fix the elections.
That is so funny. After all the "outrage" about trump's false claims about the election being fixed. You are claiming the gop wants to fix elections.
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Drak wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:41 am Republicans will nuke the filibuster the first chance they get.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:36 am The best thing that could happen to the democratic party is for Manchin to vote against changing the Senate rules.
BTW, incidentally, he has said he might open to modifying the filibuster, before you jump to speak for him.

He also has not said he would vote against any version of BBB, just that he wants certain changes made to it. (Personally, his arguments for some of the changes he wants strike me as dumb and shallow, but that is a different subject.) Not that he was "saving" the country from any version of it.
Imagine if in 3 years we were looking at another trump presidency and no filibuster.
I see you completely ignored that a) I don't want the filibuster ENDED and b) neither AFAIK does Biden, Schumer, or most Democrats.
Just like the Republicans expanded on the rule changes regarding judicial appointments. This rule change will open the door for trump to have free reign
I am not terribly worried about him being back in power in 2024.

I AM worried about somebody running on Trumpism possibly winning in 2024, a scenario that worries me far more, as they might be less stupid.
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ProfX wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:37 am BTW, incidentally, he has said he might open to modifying the filibuster, before you jump to speak for him.

He also has not said he would vote against any version of BBB, just that he wants certain changes made to it. (Personally, his arguments for some of the changes he wants strike me as dumb and shallow, but that is a different subject.) Not that he was "saving" the country from any version of it.



I see you completely ignored that a) I don't want the filibuster ENDED and b) neither AFAIK does Biden, Schumer, or most Democrats.



I am not terribly worried about him being back in power in 2024.

I AM worried about somebody running on Trumpism possibly winning in 2024, a scenario that worries me far more, as they might be less stupid.
I totally agree the filibuster needs modified. But changing the rules because you can't get a piece of legislation passed is not modifying it is blowing it up. It is setting a precedent that makes the filibuster toothless.
Personally and in an oversimplification I would like to see it modified to where the first time you need 60 votes, then 59, then 58 and so on.
Some sort of system that would encourage bipartisanship and discourage abuse
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R’s had a sub 60 majority from 2015-2020 and didn’t nuke the filibuster, so, unlikely they’ll do it in the future.

Good Slate article on why the Talking Filibuster isn’t such a good idea.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... blems.html
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:43 am I totally agree the filibuster needs modified. But changing the rules because you can't get a piece of legislation passed is not modifying it is blowing it up. It is setting a precedent that makes the filibuster toothless.
The debate is over carve-outs (categories of deliberation), not "let's deactivate it for one specific bill or nominee," and that's already been done.

BTW, the problem I have with that Slate article - and I often see this in ones like it - is it certainly does show why the talking filibuster could end up having many flaws - what doesn't? - but kind of falls down on arguing why it still wouldn't be better than a far worse status quo.

This much I know: it worked for over a century, so it's not like it's an untried idea. The "non talking" filibuster has only existed since the 70s. It also seems to coincide with an explosion of overuse of the filibuster (IMHO) so inevitably I see a possible causal connection.
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Apparently, there is and end-around to the filibuster on legislation. Once the House passes a bill and sends it to the Senate, the Senate can make changes and send it back to the House. The House can make changes and pass it and send it back to the Senate who can make additional changes and then send it back to the House. The House makes changes and passes it and sends it back to the Senate who makes changes and sends it back to the House. The House passes the bill and sends it to the Senate where they can vote on it and the bill cannot be filibuster.

I'll try to find the link showing how this works, later.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:36 am The best thing that could happen to the democratic party ...
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Drak wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:41 am Republicans will nuke the filibuster the first chance they get.
One day, the instant they take over. Board cons will be fine with it.
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ProfX wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:11 am Yes, I know Reuters is a left wing biased source. :roll:

I think this explains the present issues fairly well.

Explainer: Why does Joe Biden want to scrap the U.S. Senate's 'filibuster' rule?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/governmen ... 022-01-11/

[snip]

Once a rarity, the filibuster is now routinely invoked. In recent months, Republicans have used it to block voting-rights bills and bring the United States perilously close to a crippling debt default.

[snip]

Unlike the House of Representatives, the Senate was set up to allow for unlimited debate. In the 19th century, lawmakers developed the filibuster - a word derived from Dutch and Spanish terms for Caribbean pirates - as a way to talk a bill to death.

Then-Democratic Senator Strom Thurmond set the record in 1957, when spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes to block a major civil rights bill. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy spoke for nearly 15 hours in 2016 to press for gun-control legislation and Republican Senator Ted Cruz spoke for more than 21 hours in 2013 to protest President Barack Obama's signature Affordable Care Act. None of those efforts were successful.

Senators agreed in 1917 that a vote by a two-thirds majority could end debate on a given bill. That majority was reduced in 1975 to three-fifths of the Senate, currently 60 senators.

Under current rules, senators don't need to talk to gum up the works -- they merely need to register their objection to initiate a filibuster.

Over the past 50 years, the number of filibusters has skyrocketed as Democrats and Republicans have become more politically polarized. From 1969 to 1970 there were six votes to overcome a filibuster, the nearest reliable proxy. There were 298 such votes in the 2019-2020 legislative session.

[snip]

CAN THE FILIBUSTER BE CHANGED?

There have already been changes.

In 2013, Democrats removed the 60-vote threshold for voting on most nominees for administration jobs, apart from the Supreme Court, allowing them to advance on a simple majority vote.

In 2017, Republicans did the same thing for Supreme Court nominees. Both the 2013 and 2017 Senate rule changes were made by simple majority votes.

Some Democrats have called for eliminating the filibuster entirely, but they lack the 50 votes needed to take that step.

Democrats plan to vote sometime over the next week to scale back the filibuster so it would not apply to voting-related legislation. But it's not clear whether they have the votes for this either; Manchin said last week that he would prefer to get some Republican buy-in for that change.

On Sunday he said he might support making the tactic more "painful" by requiring senators to keep talking on the Senate floor.

[snip][end]

Here's MHO:

1. Time to stop arguing whether or not there should be carve-outs. There have already been carve-outs. That horse has left the barn. Thus, the only arguments remaining over where the carve-outs should be. Personally, I support a carve-out for voting rights.
2. It seems like almost all the Senate moderates, including Manchin, favor a return to the "original way" - call it the "stand and talk till you drop" filibuster - I think this is the way it should work. But no, I don't favor its elimination. If only and mostly because someday a future Dem Senate legislative minority might need it to stop some really bad GOP legislation.
3. We probably won't agree on what should be filibustered, but this much I hope we could agree: it should be used less, and one way to insure that is not to make it so ridiculously easy. Basically just flap your finger, and now everything requires 60 votes, not majority rule, and that is (small d) undemocratic. Legislative minorities might have rights, just not one to unlimited obstructionism.
Well have to disagree on this what your talking about is not carving out its leaving out the poor and working from any meaningful change and limiting to a very rigid and narrow self serving agenda only things that directly benefit biden individually for popularity or image or the neoconservative democrats and people heavily invested in the inhumane treatment of workers and the impoverished. This is the same scheme as always incrementalism for the vulnerable to trip on endlessly and express accommodation for the wealthy and corporations and military spending.

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Motor City wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:15 am Well have to disagree on this what your talking about is not carving out its leaving out the poor and working from any meaningful change and limiting to a very rigid and narrow self serving agenda only things that directly benefit biden individually for popularity or image or the neoconservative democrats and people heavily invested in the inhumane treatment of workers and the impoverished.
What I'm talking about is what Biden is talking about, which is carving out voting rights legislation, which can definitely benefit "workers and the impoverished" (though not just them). It is not just for him individually or his image or popularity. The voting rights bills he wants advanced are being supported by most of the major civil rights groups in this country. Not "neocon dems".

Also, going back to the "talking filibuster" may or may not prevent a filibuster of the BBB bill, but could. And is the other thing being talked about.

Some folks are talking about eliminating the filibuster. Biden and Senate Dems are not, and I'm not certain that would be a good idea for the future when shoes could be on other foots. Even for the poor, or maybe especially.
These are not small problems that need to be tended to eventually, they are big ones that need attention right now.
MHO: filibuster reform is needed for attention to any and all problems for which we are looking for legislative solutions, and the Rethugs have committed themselves to nothing but obstructionism. In the present moment, that's BBB and voting rights, both things which IMHO are about more than Biden's image.

I'm not against any other legislation you're discussing, but seems to me it will be harder to get with THIS "turtle-like" obstructionist GOP and without filibuster reform.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:19 am What I'm talking about is what Biden is talking about, which is carving out voting rights legislation, which can definitely benefit "workers and the impoverished" (though not just them). It is not just for him individually or his image or popularity. The voting rights bills he wants advanced are being supported by most of the major civil rights groups in this country. Not "neocon dems".

Also, going back to the "talking filibuster" may or may not prevent a filibuster of the BBB bill, but could. And is the other thing being talked about.

Some folks are talking about eliminating the filibuster. Biden and Senate Dems are not, and I'm not certain that would be a good idea for the future when shoes could be on other foots. Even for the poor, or maybe especially.



MHO: filibuster reform is needed for attention to any and all problems for which we are looking for legislative solutions, and the Rethugs have committed themselves to nothing but obstructionism. In the present moment, that's BBB and voting rights, both things which IMHO are about more than Biden's image.

I'm not against any other legislation you're discussing, but seems to me it will be harder to get with THIS "turtle-like" obstructionist GOP and without filibuster reform.
To carve out a new rule for this legislation would simply mean the filibuster rules could be changed anytime the party in charge wanted to.
Let's not forget the democratic senate used the the filibuster over 300 times recently. Also, Sen Biden voted against closure 18 times against 19 votes for W judges.
What we need but will never happen is filibuster reform so the minority party can't abuse the privilege.
The last thing we need is an end to the filibuster leaving the minority party with no voice.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:33 am To carve out a new rule for this legislation would simply mean the filibuster rules could be changed anytime the party in charge wanted to.
Let's not forget the democratic senate used the the filibuster over 300 times recently. Also, Sen Biden voted against closure 18 times against 19 votes for W judges.
What we need but will never happen is filibuster reform so the minority party can't abuse the privilege.
The last thing we need is an end to the filibuster leaving the minority party with no voice.
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OK. This chart won't repost as an IMG to the board. Source:
https://www.vox.com/21424582/filibuster ... lish-trump

Since I know how to read a chart, without getting into who or what is doing it worse, two things I notice:

1. invocation of it continues to grow year after year
2. this current level of increase started after the "talking filibuster" was done away with in the 1970s.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:19 am What I'm talking about is what Biden is talking about, which is carving out voting rights legislation, which can definitely benefit "workers and the impoverished" (though not just them). It is not just for him individually or his image or popularity. The voting rights bills he wants advanced are being supported by most of the major civil rights groups in this country. Not "neocon dems".

Also, going back to the "talking filibuster" may or may not prevent a filibuster of the BBB bill, but could. And is the other thing being talked about.

Some folks are talking about eliminating the filibuster. Biden and Senate Dems are not, and I'm not certain that would be a good idea for the future when shoes could be on other foots. Even for the poor, or maybe especially.



MHO: filibuster reform is needed for attention to any and all problems for which we are looking for legislative solutions, and the Rethugs have committed themselves to nothing but obstructionism. In the present moment, that's BBB and voting rights, both things which IMHO are about more than Biden's image.

I'm not against any other legislation you're discussing, but seems to me it will be harder to get with THIS "turtle-like" obstructionist GOP and without filibuster reform.
Progressives are opposed to the filibuster unless they are the ones filibustering. Aren't you glad the Democrats were able to stop trump over 320 times.
I know I am.

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Glennfs wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:22 pm Progressives are opposed to the filibuster unless they are the ones filibustering. Aren't you glad the Democrats were able to stop trump over 320 times.
I know I am.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/0 ... ump-303811
The only reason you and JoeMemphis are this passionate about the filibuster is because of you guys' continued legacy of voter disenfranchisement.

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I can't speak for anybody but me, but the filibuster reforms I'm proposing would constrain both parties, whichever happen to be in the legislative minority at any time.

I assume Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden aren't all THAT stupid, and are aware of this, also.

In my nightmare scenario, where Don Jr. is the POTUS in 2025, and people like MTG control both the Senate and the House, I sure as f**k want Dems to still have the filibuster. Yep.

(I think it's unlikely, I'm just saying it inhabits my nightmares.)
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ProfX wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:19 am What I'm talking about is what Biden is talking about, which is carving out voting rights legislation, which can definitely benefit "workers and the impoverished" (though not just them). It is not just for him individually or his image or popularity. The voting rights bills he wants advanced are being supported by most of the major civil rights groups in this country. Not "neocon dems".

Also, going back to the "talking filibuster" may or may not prevent a filibuster of the BBB bill, but could. And is the other thing being talked about.

Some folks are talking about eliminating the filibuster. Biden and Senate Dems are not, and I'm not certain that would be a good idea for the future when shoes could be on other foots. Even for the poor, or maybe especially.



MHO: filibuster reform is needed for attention to any and all problems for which we are looking for legislative solutions, and the Rethugs have committed themselves to nothing but obstructionism. In the present moment, that's BBB and voting rights, both things which IMHO are about more than Biden's image.

I'm not against any other legislation you're discussing, but seems to me it will be harder to get with THIS "turtle-like" obstructionist GOP and without filibuster reform.
Its a false choice that we either have to limit ourselves to voting act or nothing at all, and consider people liberated to vote without interference or obstruction but too hungry or depressed or endlessly wandering the streets without a destination trying to vote, be informed, make it to the polls, or make the right decision. The systemic social obstructions are every bit as real and menacing to a democracy as the voting restrictions. Cant turn from these issues without them swallowing everything up.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:12 pm I can't speak for anybody but me, but the filibuster reforms I'm proposing would constrain both parties, whichever happen to be in the legislative minority at any time.

I assume Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden aren't all THAT stupid, and are aware of this, also.

In my nightmare scenario, where Don Jr. is the POTUS in 2025, and people like MTG control both the Senate and the House, I sure as f**k want Dems to still have the filibuster. Yep.

(I think it's unlikely, I'm just saying it inhabits my nightmares.)
Zero chance Moscow Mitch and all the cons who support him dont ditch filibuster day one so they can permanently do what Newt Gingrich told them to do, eliminate compromise and the other party no matter how.

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Tlaib calls for ‘political courage’ to abolish filibuster and approve voting rights bills
.....Tlaib says abolishing the filibuster goes beyond the election bills. In the past year, the filibuster has doomed measures on criminal justice and immigration reform, abortion rights, and the economy.

For decades, the filibuster has been used to block civil rights bills. Between 1917 and 1994, two political scientist have found that half of the bills that failed because of the filibuster were civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching bills proposed in 1922 and 1935.....
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:33 am Let's not forget the democratic senate used the the filibuster over 300 times recently.
No, they didn’t.
Also, Sen Biden voted against closure
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