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 Post subject: Nurses Are A Threat
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 9:54 am 
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Dr. Robbie Pearl, CEO of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group is speaking to shareholders. Yes, shareholders. Despite Kaiser's PR ability to bullshit you into believing they are "non-profit" the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group is for profit. According to Dr. Pearl, Kaiser is killing the competition, making BILLIONS of dollars (they have over 20 billion dollars in reserve) and the biggest threat to Kaiser are nurses. Our contact expires August 31st. Dr. Pearl flatly states they will not settle with us. So much for bargaining in good faith. We do not want to strike but Dr. Pearl makes it clear there will be strikes into 2015.

Kaiser pharmacists in Southern California are walking out on Monday. Kaiser took away their retirement 3 years ago, gives them 20 hour shifts so they do not qualify for health care benefits and force them to ignore computer screens which alert them to drug interactions so they fill more prescriptions faster.

The California Nurses Association is affiliated with the NUHW headed by Sal Rosselli. Sall Rosselli sued Kaiser when mental health care workers stepped forward to complain of the lack of care patients at Kaiser receive in mental health. Kaiser was charged with the second highest fine in the history of California. Sal kicks ass and takes names. I am proud to be affiliated with the NUHW.

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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
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Dr. Robbie Pearl, CEO of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group is speaking to shareholders. Yes, shareholders. Despite Kaiser's PR ability to bullshit you into believing they are "non-profit" the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group is for profit. According to Dr. Pearl, Kaiser is killing the competition, making BILLIONS of dollars (they have over 20 billion dollars in reserve) and the biggest threat to Kaiser are nurses. Our contact expires August 31st. Dr. Pearl flatly states they will not settle with us. So much for bargaining in good faith. We do not want to strike but Dr. Pearl makes it clear there will be strikes into 2015.

Kaiser pharmacists in Southern California are walking out on Monday. Kaiser took away their retirement 3 years ago, gives them 20 hour shifts so they do not qualify for health care benefits and force them to ignore computer screens which alert them to drug interactions so they fill more prescriptions faster.

The California Nurses Association is affiliated with the NUHW headed by Sal Rosselli. Sall Rosselli sued Kaiser when mental health care workers stepped forward to complain of the lack of care patients at Kaiser receive in mental health. Kaiser was charged with the second highest fine in the history of California. Sal kicks ass and takes names. I am proud to be affiliated with the NUHW.

Insists on a nurse!

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What's strange about this is the nurses and pharmacists are in the professional career fields. These jobs require college education as well as continuing education to keep their licenses/certifications.

I really worry about the pharmacists since most work for hospitals or chain drug stores like Walgreens or RiteAid. They could open their own drug store but they'd be priced out of the market unless they opened a store in a small community that doesn't have a chain drug store. The chain drug stores have contracts with drug whole sellers that gives them steep discounts the small, independent drug store owner can't obtain. By cutting their hours the pharmacists will either have to take an additional job or leave their profession for another one with more hours and pay.

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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:53 pm 
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I insisted on a nurse once, and got slapped! :rw)

Nurses are the greatest, I spent some quality time in the hospital last year, and they were great to me! Not unionized, though.

Cal Nurses are one of the best unions anywhere.


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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 7:55 pm 
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When my mother had open heart surgery last year, ALL the nurses were not only professional, they were damn helpful. Same goes for the times my grandmother was in the hospital having her knees replaced.

Yeah, chain pharmacies. Assholes. When I went to the pharmacy at Fred Meyer, (even through it was a chain) within 2 weeks they knew my name. I'd walk up to the counter and they'd head back and grab my meds. Now that I'm at Sav-on, not a single person knows my name. Not a single one and it's been close to 2yrs. Also, Sav-on constantly changes suppliers. Therefore the drugs never look the same. Also, I found out that my epilepsy medication comes from India. Not pleased, AT ALL.

When nurses here went on strike a couple years ago, I supported them 100%.

Medicines Made in India Set Off Safety Worries
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NEW DELHI — India, the second-largest exporter of over-the-counter and prescription drugs to the United States, is coming under increased scrutiny by American regulators for safety lapses, falsified drug test results and selling fake medicines.

Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg, the commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration, arrived in India this week to express her growing unease with the safety of Indian medicines because of “recent lapses in quality at a handful of pharmaceutical firms.”

India’s pharmaceutical industry supplies 40 percent of over-the-counter and generic prescription drugs consumed in the United States, so the increased scrutiny could have profound implications for American consumers.
http://tinyurl.com/qhxuabe < NYT

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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
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Kaiser pharmacists are not independent, they're in house which means Kaiser pushes them around and tells them how to practice just like they do their doctor's and nurses. Can you imagine a pharmacist is encouraged to practice unsafely by not having the time to check drug interactions when they prescribe you a medicine? I can't. I think it's unconscionable, dangerous, life threatening. There are computer programs to aide pharmacists since drug interactions are so numerous and complicated. I am glad pharmacists are trying to bargain the issue into their contract so management can't tell them they don't have the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 10:15 pm 
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I insisted on a nurse once, and got slapped! :rw)

Nurses are the greatest, I spent some quality time in the hospital last year, and they were great to me! Not unionized, though.

Cal Nurses are one of the best unions anywhere.


Northern California nurses have the best contract you might say in the world. Other countries look to our contract as a model. I am being trained to be a union rep. Very exciting time.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
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Northern California nurses have the best contract you might say in the world. Other countries look to our contract as a model. I am being trained to be a union rep. Very exciting time.

They are one of the best unions. Militant but also smart, and hard bargainers. Unlike SEIU, they put the members first.

Being a union rep is a great job, but it's a tough job.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:21 am 
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Kaiser pharmacists are not independent, they're in house which means Kaiser pushes them around and tells them how to practice just like they do their doctor's and nurses. Can you imagine a pharmacist is encouraged to practice unsafely by not having the time to check drug interactions when they prescribe you a medicine? I can't. I think it's unconscionable, dangerous, life threatening. There are computer programs to aide pharmacists since drug interactions are so numerous and complicated. I am glad pharmacists are trying to bargain the issue into their contract so management can't tell them they don't have the time.


My oldest daughter is a Pharmacist and I do not believe this story at all. At the very least it has to exaggerated. If they were to cut Pharmacist to 20 hours and not pay them benefits the Pharmacist would simply get a job somewhere else. Leaving Kaiser with a huge shortage. The average Pharm in Calif is currently earning 126k a year. Nationwide they are in demand and between 2010-2020 there is expected to be a 25% increase in job openings.
Becoming a Pharmacist requires a P PH D and there is no way Kaiser would make such a poor business decision.

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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
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My oldest daughter is a Pharmacist and I do not believe this story at all. At the very least it has to exaggerated. If they were to cut Pharmacist to 20 hours and not pay them benefits the Pharmacist would simply get a job somewhere else. Leaving Kaiser with a huge shortage. The average Pharm in Calif is currently earning 126k a year. Nationwide they are in demand and between 2010-2020 there is expected to be a 25% increase in job openings.
Becoming a Pharmacist requires a P PH D and there is no way Kaiser would make such a poor business decision.

My guess on this is that Chris knows what she's talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
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Isn't it time to get rid of for profit healthcare once and for all---eliminate CEO's and middle-men---and have universal health care instead? There really shouldn't be a debate about this.

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Isn't it time to get rid of for profit healthcare once and for all---eliminate CEO's and middle-men---and have universal health care instead? There really shouldn't be a debate about this.

why thank you. i was thinking the same things.

re vets...if there were UniversalCare theyd not be standing in lines waiting Months to Years
for Care, they could go and simply Get some fucking care at a medical place. fine send
the bills to the VA.

youd think with this size population the corp med goons would be seeing sufficient profit
thru mass alone.
but that would mean regulating prices. which, next, is what they dont want.
afterall it is all about them and what they want. so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
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My oldest daughter is a Pharmacist and I do not believe this story at all. At the very least it has to exaggerated. If they were to cut Pharmacist to 20 hours and not pay them benefits the Pharmacist would simply get a job somewhere else. Leaving Kaiser with a huge shortage. The average Pharm in Calif is currently earning 126k a year. Nationwide they are in demand and between 2010-2020 there is expected to be a 25% increase in job openings.
Becoming a Pharmacist requires a P PH D and there is no way Kaiser would make such a poor business decision.

In any area of the country, there are a limited number of openings for pharmacists. It's not like being a truck driver where if you quit or get fired from one job you can easily find another job as a truck driver. Hospitals and non-hospital pharmacies aren't going to hire a lot of pharmacists simply because their professional requirements and duties demand a higher salary. A 24-hour, 7-day a week hospital pharmacy may have three full-time pharmacists and perhaps a part-time to cover the patient load. This allows full coverage because a licensed pharmacist has to be present to oversee the dispensing of drugs, explaining the drugs to patients, be accountable for the narcotics under their control, and mixing solutions. Pharmacy specialists can assist the pharmacist in many areas but everything they do is under the guidance and supervision of the licensed pharmacist.

In the retail sector, like Walgreens, RiteAid, etc., the number of pharmacists is also limited for the same reason as hospital pharmacists; cost. My neighbor, who recently moved to Virgina, is a pharmacist and she worked for a large national drug store. There were two pharmacists per store to cover a 24-hour operation. When one pharmacist was sick or on vacation, the store would bring in another pharmacist from another store or a part-time pharmacist for coverage.

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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:03 pm 
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They are one of the best unions. Militant but also smart, and hard bargainers. Unlike SEIU, they put the members first.

Being a union rep is a great job, but it's a tough job.


We are nothing like SEIU because we do not believe in labor-management partnerships.


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 Post subject: Re: Nurses Are A Threat
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:13 pm 
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My oldest daughter is a Pharmacist and I do not believe this story at all. At the very least it has to exaggerated. If they were to cut Pharmacist to 20 hours and not pay them benefits the Pharmacist would simply get a job somewhere else. Leaving Kaiser with a huge shortage. The average Pharm in Calif is currently earning 126k a year. Nationwide they are in demand and between 2010-2020 there is expected to be a 25% increase in job openings.
Becoming a Pharmacist requires a P PH D and there is no way Kaiser would make such a poor business decision.


Kaiser pays professional staff A LOT OF MONEY. I call it hush money.

Patient Safety
"Pharmacists are being pressured to fill prescriptions fast," said guild president Dr. Robin Borden, Pharm.D. "We do more than stuff pills in a bottle. We check to see the various medications a patient is taking, we review profiles for drug interactions and we counsel patients on their over-the-counter medications."

Dr. Borden said Kaiser seems more concerned with the speed that prescriptions are filled. "We want to build relationships with our patients, but we're told we're too stressed. We'd like to address the matter with a labor-management committee."

Pension Loss
Kaiser pharmacists lost their pensions three years ago and Dr. Borden said her group is the only one among Kaiser's 180,000 employees in that situation. "We were told all employees would have pensions taken away but that has not happened and we felt we were misled. We're trying to regain equity."

She said pharmacists nearing the end of their careers don't have enough time left to make up for the deficit. Kaiser's position, according to Dr. Borden, is they can not be competitive in the marketplace if they paid the pensions.

Part-Time Hours
Currently, Kaiser is not posting full-time hours and part-time employees need to be guaranteed at least 20 hours per week for benefits. Most positions are now part-time and per diem.

She said the average hourly wage is slightly higher than in the community at large but issues like having pensions frozen offset the gains.

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Isn't it time to get rid of for profit healthcare once and for all---eliminate CEO's and middle-men---and have universal health care instead? There really shouldn't be a debate about this.


We want universal healthcare no doubt about it. There are Kaiser executives who make a quarter million a year for attending about 3 meetings a year. It's obscene.


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we use target pharmacy for my meds. mrs. bird was forced by her insurance to use cvs. target pharmacists know our names and are aware of teh drugs we take. cvs isn't bad though.

the problem with target is that they work the pharmacy people to the bone. short staffing is a major issue.

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as regards nurses i have yet to have a problem with any nurse for the multiple times i have been in the hospital in the last 20+ years. they work hard and also have treated me well.

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as regards nurses i have yet to have a problem with any nurse for the multiple times i have been in the hospital in the last 20+ years. they work hard and also have treated me well.

One of the best medical care givers I've ever had was a civilian Nurse Practitioner working in the Navy clinic. I had my yearly physical and she was going over my labs and said my kidney results were just below normal and wanted me to schedule an appointment for an ultrasound with the urologist at Balboa Naval Hospital. I did and after watching my kidneys functioning on the ultrasound the urologist said my kidneys were operating perfectly.

I'm glad she was concerned enough want me to see the urologist rather than wait to see if my kidneys improved or got worse later.

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