Russia to Invade Ukraine

[bradman]

Seems like a good time for some polonium-210 to enter the game. Appropriate method to dispatch him.

What's good for the goose......

[carmenjonze]

If we are talking about Carter and the Church Committee,

Not sure what you mean here. The big things that came out of the Church Committee were COINTELPRO and CIA assassination revelations.

You think these are good things for the government to be doing?

Ya, i'm on board.

As long as somebody else's kid does the killing when it suits you?

Okay.

I mean...you're never going to have to pull the trigger. Easy to be on board to someone else doing it.

If we are talking about whacking Hitler, different story. Who wouldn't want to pull the trigger if given the chance?

Okay.

[carmenjonze]

Seems like a good time for some polonium-210 to enter the game. Appropriate method to dispatch him.

What's good for the goose......

So you guys feel getting our kids to take out other countries' leaders the way Putin takes out people with polonium is legit.

K.

You guys have some serious emotional and social problems. Does it ever occur to you that this mentality could contribute to taking Biden out? Or Trump or Obama or anyone else?

This is also why so-called "law and order" authoritarian conservatism is a sick joke. You guys do not believe in it, yet wish to impose it on the rest of us.

[gounion]

What's good for the goose......

So it'd be fine for Putin to send a drone to take out Biden?

I'd implore you to think a little bit.

Did you answer this question?

Think about it for a moment. Say we got a chance, and the CIA killed Putin, say a drone strike, and it was shown to the world that we did.

Do you think there's be any repercussions? Do you think they'd be good?

[carmenjonze]

So it'd be fine for Putin to send a drone to take out Biden?

I'd implore you to think a little bit.

Did you answer this question?

Honestly.

I swear to god this is literally how world wars start, guys like these yahoos.

Oh hey look! they just murdered that guy Franz Ferdinand Carl Ludwig Joseph Maria, let's move on all this chaos, we can get away with it, no problem!

Germany in WW1 in a nutshell. They got their asses handed to them, then started the atrocities/Hitler 5 years later because the world would not let them get away with it.

Now today, Putin/Russia is trying to get back at Planet Earth for their own WW2 era humiliations. He expected to get away with it like he did in Crimea, and apparently still thinks this.

Nice going, fellas.

#lawandorder
#cantreformthis

[gounion]

Yeah, the very idea that the US government assassinating Putin would just magically make it all go away.

To me, the chances are very good that would ensure nukes would be used.

[carmenjonze]

The CIA is technically forbidden post-75 from assassinating foreign leaders.

In practice, that means just about nothing, as they still operate in a black budget with a lot of shadows. I imagine they just do it a lot more quietly. Won't do anything quite as openly as they used to.

These days, the U.S. tries to drone strike you. All I can say is Trump said "we're killers too" (not that I disagree, but the context of how and when he said that is the point), and proceeded to put a hit on Solemani, the Iranian commander.

Saddam was notorious for using body doubles and other things to foil assassination plots. These guys learn to be careful. It may have just been luck they found him in a hole, at that point it was hard to find a better hiding place.

MHO: a democratic society should have a means to remove leaders without assassinating them. In the U.S., that's impeachment. Yes, the three times we've tried (I'm not counting the two attempts re Trump twice), so far it hasn't resulted in removal. But still.

As to whether Russia is still a democratic society, well, I've already opined on that. I think there was a brief window where it was more - glasnost and perestroika - but that's over now.

What starts to happen in an unpopular war, BTW, is morale in the army starts to fail. I think we're starting to see that, with some of the Russian forces puncturing their own gas tanks.

I'm not even sure why bradman would even bring up the Church Committee.

[carmenjonze]

Yeah, the very idea that the US government assassinating Putin would just magically make it all go away.

To me, the chances are very good that would ensure nukes would be used.

TBF it's incredible to me that we're even talking about this on this board, that there are actually people here who are stupid enough to openly admit they support assassination of another country's leader.

There's a joke going around Black pro-Ukraine Twitter like...christ that's all we need: for the bots and trolls to start peddling Putin rescuing us from the USA like he claims to be denazifying Ukraine. :problem:

[Bludogdem]

What's good for the goose......

And if it’s pelonium-210 it’ll be his people doing it.

[gounion]

And if it’s pelonium-210 it’ll be his people doing it.

And who is going to take the place of an assassinated leader?

[Bludogdem]

And who is going to take the place of an assassinated leader?

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin

[gounion]

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin

Dream on little broomstick cowboy.

You're going to have generals and such that might think differently.

[carmenjonze]

And if it’s pelonium-210 it’ll be his people doing it.

Do you advocate for anyone here to take the president out?

Or is it just that it's fun to watch other people do it while you sit on your conservative rear end.

[carmenjonze]

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin

Well hey, it's just somebody else's kids doing it, on the other side of the world.

Never you, never your own.

[Libertas]

Do you advocate for anyone here to take the president out?

Or is it just that it's fun to watch other people do it while you sit on your conservative rear end.

Interesting topic.

Wonder how many chickenshit chickenhawks we have here, as in who here supported the Vietnam war or Iraq and did not serve...

[carmenjonze]

We just had a situation where your type tried to take the VP and Speaker of the House out.

Do you advocate for anyone else in the US to take the president out?

Or is it just that it's fun to watch other people do it while you sit on your conservative rear end.

[carmenjonze]

Interesting topic.

Wonder how many chickenshit chickenhawks we have here, as in who here supported the Vietnam war or Iraq and did not serve...

The Bone Spurs electorate. :problem:

[Motor City]

US House 'staunchly, proudly' passes resolution for Ukraine

The House has overwhelmingly approved a resolution “steadfastly, staunchly, proudly and fervently” in support of Ukraine......

...While resolutions do not carry the force of law, Congress is working quickly to produce a supplemental funding package of at least $6.4 billion of military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Biden found 800 million the other day for aid wonder why they cant find money for human needs in America.

Hill Dems, GOP show signs of backing $6.4B for Ukraine aid

.....Biden administration officials told congressional aides last week that their request includes $3.5 billion for the Defense Department and $2.9 billion for humanitarian assistance for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees fleeing to nearby countries. Some Democrats said that total could grow to $10 billion or more......

....... McConnell complained that bargainers had “hit a snag.” He said Democrats wanted to carve the defense assistance for Ukraine from the military spending in the larger $1.5 trillion government-wide legislation, but add the humanitarian aid on top of that measure’s domestic programs. “We’re not going to do that. This is an emergency,” McConnell said.....

....“We should be bipartisan on this issue. Nothing would make Putin happier than having Democrats and Republicans” divided, Schumer said......

......Schumer said bargainers were working on “a bipartisan, robust aid package with both military and security needs” and that “very good discussions” were underway. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said his chamber could vote on the legislation next Tuesday. The Senate would follow.

Analysts: Navy bribery trial to expose pervasive problem

Dozens of U.S. Navy officials have admitted to being bought off by the gregarious, rotund Malaysian defense contractor known as “Fat Leonard” who plied them with prostitutes, Cuban cigars and free stays at the Philippines' Shangri-La hotel, among other things.

Now as the last five of 34 defendants stand trial in federal court in San Diego, what’s more shocking is how little the case has changed the Navy’s way of doing business, according to former military officers and government watchdog advocates.

“You would expect that one of the largest corruption scandals in the history of the United States Navy would provoke pretty dramatic changes to prevent something like this from happening again in the future. But sadly, that’s not really the case,” said Dan Grazier, a former Marine who now works as a military analyst at the Project on Government Oversight in Washington.

The case has centered around Leonard Glenn Francis who admitted in 2015 to offering $500,000 in bribes to Navy officers. In exchange, the officers passed him classified information and even went so far as redirecting military vessels to ports that were lucrative for his Singapore-based ship servicing company, Glenn Defense Marine Asia, or GDMA......

....... “While scores of Navy officials were partying with Leonard Francis, a massive breach of national security was in full swing,” U.S. Attorney Randy Grossman said recently.

Prosecutors say Francis and his company overcharged the U.S. military by more than $35 million for its services between 2004 and 2013, which included providing food and water to the ships at Pacific ports in Asia.........

[ProfX]

Russian-born entrepreneur offers $1 million bounty for Putin's arrest
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/russ ... in-ukraine

Konyakhin is Russian but lives in America (and still does AFAIK); produces the show "Unicorn Hunters"; btw, yes, his "wanted poster" does say "dead or alive" ....

As to the question of succession, I think that would be clear-cut in a non-autocratic society. But, all we can go on is speculation.

Is Russia’s defence chief emerging as Putin’s possible successor?
Putin is still pondering the idea of another term, but as he approaches 70, bets are being placed on Sergey Shoigu.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/1 ... -successor

A hawkish Buddhist

Some observers have put their bets on Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu, Russia’s longest-serving cabinet member and its second-most popular politician after Putin.

Shoigu is a man of startling paradoxes.

His first name is quintessentially Russian, but he hails from Tuva, an impoverished province of Turkic-speaking Buddhists that borders northwestern China and has some of Russia’s highest murder and suicide rates.

Some Tuvan intellectuals even consider him a reincarnation of Subedei, a Mongol general whose army laid waste to what is now Russia and Ukraine eight centuries ago.

Shoigu started his career in the early 1990s as head of the emergencies ministry, making it a highly effective, militarised structure – and topping all political charts years before Putin became president.

Considered a liberal democrat until taking over the defence ministry in 2012, Shoigu spearheaded the Kremlin’s biggest breakthroughs – Crimea’s annexation and the saving of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government.

Ahead of the September 19 parliamentary vote, Putin appointed him the poster boy of United Russia, the ruling party that has been tanking ignominiously in polls.

The 66-year-old Shoigu is often seen on TV fishing and hunting with Putin – a symbolic anointment that some say makes him the most likely successor.

“He has serious chances, much higher than anyone else for now,” Nikolay Mitrokhin, a researcher with Germany’s Bremen University, told Al Jazeera.

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I wouldn't surmise a big change in course from Shoigu. The Tuvans are an interesting culture; check out their throat singing on youtube. But I digress.

[ZoWie]

Getting Putin out accomplishes nothing if the kleptocrat gangsters stay in charge. Right now Russia is the Golden Rule: the people with the gold make the rules.

One needs to look deeper to find the disease that turned the post - Cold War I euphoria into Cold War II.

It's basically greed, and people who base their lives on getting the biggest pile possible for themselves in what they see as a zero-sum game. Winning a zero-sum game is often indistinguishable from looting.

[Number6]

Getting Putin out accomplishes nothing if the kleptocrat gangsters stay in charge. Right now Russia is the Golden Rule: the people with the gold make the rules.

One needs to look deeper to find the disease that turned the post - Cold War I euphoria into Cold War II.

It's basically greed, and people who base their lives on getting the biggest pile possible for themselves in what they see as a zero-sum game. Winning a zero-sum game is often indistinguishable from looting.

A new Russian revolution is needed. One that implements a real democratic government/

[marindem01]

R.T. America Ceases Production, Lays Off Staff.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5967 ... -off-staff.

A top official for the production company behind the Russian state-sponsored media outlet RT America told employees in a memo that it would be laying off most staff and ceasing production, CNN reported, which obtained the memo.

T&R Productions general manager Misha Solodovnikov told staff that, “as a result of unforeseen business interruption events," all of their locations would be "ceasing production" and, given their anticipation that their layoff would be final, it “will result in the permanent separation from employment of most T&R employees at all locations," according to the network.

It represents the latest blow to Russian state media following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which began last week. DirecTV said in a statement earlier this week it would no longer be carrying RT America on its platform.

[ap215]

Ikea, Apple, Ford among companies cutting ties with Russia over Ukraine invasion: LIST

A growing number of international companies, including Apple, Disney and Ford, are dialing back operations in Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.

On Tuesday, Exxon announced it would quit its last Russian project, while Boeing said that it had suspended major operations in Moscow.

https://abc7ny.com/companies-pulling-ou ... ce=twitter

[carmenjonze]

Ikea, Apple, Ford among companies cutting ties with Russia over Ukraine invasion: LIST

A growing number of international companies, including Apple, Disney and Ford, are dialing back operations in Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.

On Tuesday, Exxon announced it would quit its last Russian project, while Boeing said that it had suspended major operations in Moscow.

https://abc7ny.com/companies-pulling-ou ... ce=twitter

bye

[carmenjonze]

Seems like a good time for some polonium-210 to enter the game. Appropriate method to dispatch him.

What's good for the goose......

You guys are such ridiculous parrots.
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Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC

Is there a Brutus in Russia? Is there a more successful Colonel Stauffenberg in the Russian military?

The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out.

You would be doing your country - and the world - a great service.

The only people who can fix this are the Russian people.

Easy to say, hard to do.

Unless you want to live in darkness for the rest of your life, be isolated from the rest of the world in abject poverty, and live in darkness you need to step up to the plate.

https://twitter.com/lindseygrahamsc/sta ... 99235?s=21