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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:55 pm 
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This is a thread to post all the stupid crap the supposed "job creators" say.

Look at this a-hole. I used to kind of admire Vinod Khosla, though he hasn't really changed his ivory tower tune since back in the Tech Bust 1.0 days.

Do they never learn.

Vinod Khosla: Anyone Who Talks About A Bubble 'Doesn't Have A Clue'

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“If you’re doing anything disruptive, you’re disrupting somebody, and somebody’s getting hurt,” he said. “Revolutions are hard on people. People get killed and hurt … And anytime somebody does, like the egg industry — if you really want to understand the egg industry, just Google ’crushed chicks.’ That’s how they treat half the chicks that are born, they crush them alive."


This is what he thinks of the people who actually do some work.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:16 pm 
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Honeywell CEO wants zero corporate taxes

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:58 pm 
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Anything they make overseas and imported back, 200% tariff.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:53 pm 
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"Tariff".

That is an unholy word, which transgresses The Gospel of Free Trade.

Prepare to be smitten, infidel.

Thom Hartmann often talks about how the developed nations, when they were in their developing phase, preached protectionism for themselves.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/ ... lousy-idea

Now that they are developed, they insist the rest of the world, developing and otherwise, abandon all tariffs, subsidies, protectionism, or trade limitations/restrictions, and open their markets to American imports. That is, "do as we say, not as we did."

P.S. although I think his point is valid, I prefer for current times a policy of fair trade, rather than protectionism, although there could be limited situations/places where we should still use tariffs. That could be one.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:58 pm 
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‘Wealth therapy': The top one percent turn to counseling because it’s hard being a rich person


It’s a rainy Wednesday morning and Clay Cockrell is sitting in his office at Columbus Circle across the street from 1 Central Park West, which houses Trump International Hotel and Tower. In front of the tower is Central Park, where Cockrell holds his popular walk and talk therapy sessions.

Dressed in comfortable pants and a flannel shirt, Cockrell, a former Wall Street worker turned therapist, spends large parts of his days walking through Central Park or the Battery Park in downtown Manhattan near Wall Street, as a confidant and counsellor to some of the New York’s wealthiest.

“I shifted toward it naturally,” he said of his becoming an expert in wealth therapy. “We are trained to have empathy, no judgment and so many of the uber wealthy – the 1% of the 1% – they feel that their problems are really not problems. But they are. A lot of therapists do not give enough weight to their issues.”

And as they stroll through Manhattan, what issues are America’s 1% struggling with? There is guilt over being rich in the first place, he said. There is the feeling that they have to hide the fact that they are rich. And then there is the isolation – being in the 1%, it turns out, can be lonely. It seems F Scott Fitzgerald was right, the very rich “are different from you and me”. Especially in 2015.

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Traeger-Muney, who moved to Israel six years ago, runs a global firm and specializes in working with inheritors, who often get a bad reputation in the press.

“You can come up with lot of words and sayings about inheritors, not one of them is positive: spoiled brat, born with a silver spoon in their mouth, trust fund babies, all these things,” she said, adding that it’s “easy to scapegoat the rich”.

“Sometimes I am shocked by things that people say. If you substitute in the word Jewish or black, you would never say something like that. You’d never say – spoiled rotten or you would never refer to another group of people in the way that it seems perfectly normal to refer to wealth holders.”

In recent years, members of the 1% have been singled out by protesters seeking to highlight the growing disparity between rich and poor. In October of 2014, for example, a number of workers staged a protest outside Walmart heiress Alice Walton’s $26m 6,346 sq ft New York condo. The protest, designed to highlight workers’ low wages and part-time schedules, resulted in 26 arrests.

These types of protests can be very stressful for the rich. “It’s really isolating to have a lot of money. It can be scary – people’s reaction to you,” said Barbara Nusbaum, an expert in money psychology.

“There is a fair amount of isolation if you are wealthy. We are all taught not to talk about money. It’s not polite to talk about money. In itself, ironically, it’s harder to talk about having money than it is to talk about not having money. It’s much more socially acceptable to say: ‘I am broke. Things are hard.’ You can’t say: ‘I have a ton of money.’ You have to keep a lot of your life private except in small circles.”

As a result, Cockrell points out, the rich tend to hang out with other rich Americans, not out of snobbery, but in order to be around those who understand them and their problems.

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Yeah, poor babies. Cry me a river.

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Affluenza is a terrible burden to bear. Stressful.
Alway got to be thinking & guarding like Scrooge McDuck!

Just like substituting the work “Jewish” or whatever the hell that guy was quoted saying in the article.
People who live hand to mouth, paycheck-to-paycheck just haven’t got the stress insanely wealthy people do!

What do you think it pays to be a “Confidant of the wealthy?"

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:43 pm 
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http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/michigan/2016/06/30/homestead-resort-restaurant-beppis/86576570/

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A northern Michigan resort has closed a restaurant for the summer because it doesn't have enough workers.

The Homestead, in Leelanau County near Lake Michigan, says it recently held a job fair — and no one showed up. Beppi's, a sports bar at the resort, is closed except for private parties, and a day camp for kids has been scratched.

On its website, The Homestead says finding employees has been a problem for two years, despite a starting wage of $9 to $15 per hour, free skiing and golf and other benefits. Lodging is $220 a month.........

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Tyson Foods to pay $1.6 million to settle hiring charges

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Tyson Foods Inc. has agreed to pay $1.6 million to settle federal allegations of hiring discrimination at six plants in Arkansas, New Mexico and Texas.

The U.S. Labor Department announced the settlement Tuesday after previously alleging the Springdale, Arkansas-based company's hiring processes and selection procedures at the six plants discriminated on the basis of sex, race or ethnicity.

The company did not admit liability. It agreed to pay back wages, interest and benefits to 5,716 applicants who were turned down for jobs as laborers from 2007-2010 at plants in Rogers and Russellville, Arkansas; Santa Theresa, New Mexico; and Amarillo, Houston and Sherman, Texas. The Labor Department previously said the years were 2006-20.............

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:42 pm 
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I keep seeing them say real estate developers are job creators in rightwing land. Which is what they say Trump is, which he really isn't all that much, but nevermind that.

Real estate developers are not job creators, they do from time to time get a project going, but the construction firms they hire to do those projects send people to do that work who already have their jobs. And furthermore have had their jobs for a long long time, because a certain skill level is needed to do those jobs, and it takes a long long time to develop those skills.

Unions are real job creators.

I've seen a bunch of those real estate developers over the years. What they do is carry a shiney new hard hat in their car or pickup, and once in awhile they show up on a project site, put that hat on, and then stomp all around the place carrying on like they are the ones who were building it, whatever it was we were building.

Sometimes they would bring a photographer and reporter along to record their bosting. Real estate developers are basically useless.

I always tried to see them before they would see me, and that is when I would suddenly decide to leave the project site and take an extended break. Have a second lunch, something, anything.

Project engineers and architects are almost as bad, they would show up once in awhile, wear a shiney new hard hat too, and carry on like they were building that which we were actually building, just like those developers would do, but they at least wouldn't try to claim they also created our jobs.


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I keep seeing them say real estate developers are job creators in rightwing land. Which is what they say Trump is, which he really isn't all that much, but nevermind that.

Real estate developers are not job creators, they do from time to time get a project going, but the construction firms they hire to do those projects send people to do that work who already have their jobs. And furthermore have had their jobs for a long long time, because a certain skill level is needed to do those jobs, and it takes a long long time to develop those skills.

Unions are real job creators.

I've seen a bunch of those real estate developers over the years. What they do is carry a shiney new hard hat in their car or pickup, and once in awhile they show up on a project site, put that hat on, and then stomp all around the place carrying on like they are the ones who were building it, whatever it was we were building.

Sometimes they would bring a photographer and reporter along to record their bosting. Real estate developers are basically useless.

I always tried to see them before they would see me, and that is when I would suddenly decide to leave the project site and take an extended break. Have a second lunch, something, anything.

Project engineers and architects are almost as bad, they would show up once in awhile, wear a shiney new hard hat too, and carry on like they were building that which we were actually building, just like those developers would do, but they at least wouldn't try to claim they also created our jobs.

And if they can use illegal labor, they do. Or they build shiny new factories in other countries, like Scout proudly does.

The LAST thing they want to do is create good, well-paying jobs.


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in this scheme job creators would get to keep up to a quarter of a billion dollars of their employees state witholding tax, lots of money for charity and buying elections

Nancy Kaffer: 'Trust me' legislation lets companies control taxes

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If the state required every business to rebate a percentage of its revenues to employees, they'd call it socialism.

But a bill package that passed the state Senate on Tuesday promises a different redistribution of wealth: Instead of paying taxes to state government, employees at up to 15 Michigan companies could pay as much as $250 million in taxes directly to their employers.

As currently configured, businesses slated to receive tax rebates or abatements — economic development incentives doled out by the state to companies that meet certain criteria — pay taxes to the state. The state calculates how much money each abatement or rebate is worth, and cuts a check to the company.

It bears repeating: This legislation would allow a business that creates jobs to keep the taxes it withholds from employees' paychecks. The taxes employees pay to fund government services like roads, schools, public safety and social services would be diverted directly into their employer's pocket.

Over the last six years, Republican Gov. Rick Snyder and the GOP-led state Legislature have shifted much of the burden of paying for government services from businesses to individuals, as the share of taxes that businesses pay has decreased, and the share that people pay has increased. But this newest scheme is an irresponsible abdication of the centuries-old duties of government, and a naked nod to state government's concern for profits above people.

The word that keeps coming to mind here is "serfdom." That's the feudal economic arrangement in which serfs, the bottom rung of the medieval social ladder, worked for the lord of the manor, who collected the benefit of their labor. In return, the lord was obliged to provide some level of protection and justice, along with the chance to do a little subsistence farming for their own benefit.

The logic behind this legislation — and this is a really generous use of the word — is apparently to whoop up economic development, in part by cutting out the middleman and streamlining the abatement process.

But sometimes, the middleman exists for a reason.

As detailed in Senate Bills 1153, 1154 and 1155, the Michigan Strategic Fund would strike an agreement with businesses: If certain job-creation targets are met, companies could retain between 1% and 100% of the taxes they're withholding from employees' checks. Companies would pay to the fund 5% of the ........................


also these are 10 year deals

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20 Hispanic workers at Macomb County plant fired over protest

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More than 20 Hispanic immigrant workers at an industrial plant in Macomb County say they were fired after they took part in the Day Without Immigrants protests in February.

And now, they are challenging their firings in a charge filed with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), saying they were unjustly fired by EZ Industrial Solutions in Chesterfield Township for taking part in a political protest. EZ Industrial Solutions said it acted appropriately............

.......In the charge filed against EZ Industrial Solutions, the workers said that on Feb. 14, two days before the Feb. 16 Day Without Immigrant protests, "the employer coercively questioned employees about any potential plans to observe, support, or participate in demonstrations surrounding a 'Day Without Immigrants.'"

The charge alleges that on Feb. 15 the employer again questioned them, this time "threatening employees with a 1 week suspension for observing the 'Day Without Immigrants.'"

Instead of being suspended, though, about 20 workers who took part in the protests were fired, said the complaint filed by attorney Tony Paris of the Sugar Law Center in Detroit. Some of the workers marched in rallies that day in metro Detroit, while others skipped work in protest.

After they were fired, a company supervisor threatened to report the workers to immigration authorities, the charge said.

"A worker said: a supervisor came to my house asking: 'How are you affording an attorney? Don't you know the company is going to send ICE, have ICE be involved?'" said Paris, referring to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency under the Department of Homeland Security that deals with immigration arrests and deportations.

According to the NLRB charge, EZ "maintains and enforces rules preventing employees from talking to one another about workplace conditions."......


.........The workers at EZ Industrial Solutions earned just above minimum wage, about $9 to $12 an hour, assorting screws and other small items, working an informal routine that allowed for absences, Paris said. He said the NLRB investigators interviewed the workers in a church, where they felt comfortable speaking out. Some may be undocumented immigrants.

The workers fired were all Latina female immigrants, except for one Latino immigrant worker who was male, said Paris. They live across metro Detroit and most have roots in Mexico and Central American countries...........

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Oh no, that poor company holds a ISO 9001-2015 certification. And a company supervisor threatened to report the fired workers to immigration authorities.

Let's report them to the International Organization for Standardization. Because ISO 9001-2015 requires compliance with the guidelines on occupational safety and health management systems, ILO-OSH 2001. And a company supervisor threatening to report fired workers to immigration authorities, simply will not do. They're in clear violation of forced labor standards under ILO-OSH 2001.


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in depth report on trucking industry Jobs


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Forced into debt. Worked past exhaustion. Left with nothing


...........Using the contracts, submitted as evidence in labor complaints, and shipping manifests, reporters matched the trucking companies with the most labor violations to dozens of retail brands, including Target, Hewlett-Packard, Home Depot, Hasbro, J.Crew, UPS, Goodyear, Costco, Ralph Lauren and more.

Among the findings:

Trucking companies force drivers to work against their will – up to 20 hours a day – by threatening to take their trucks and keep the money they paid toward buying them. Bosses create a culture of fear by firing drivers, suspending them without pay or reassigning them the lowest-paying routes.

To keep drivers working, managers at a few companies have physically barred them from going home. More than once, Marvin Figueroa returned from a full day’s work to find the gate to the parking lot locked and a manager ordering drivers back to work. “That was how they forced me to continue working,” he testified in a 2015 labor case. Truckers at two other companies have made similar claims.

Employers charge not just for truck leases but for a host of other expenses, including hundreds of dollars a month for insurance and diesel fuel. Some charge truckers a parking fee to use the company lot. One company, Fargo Trucking, charged $2 per week for the office toilet paper and other supplies.

Drivers at many companies say they had no choice but to break federal safety laws that limit truckers to 11 hours on the road each day. Drivers at Pacific 9 Transportation testified that their managers dispatched truckers up to 20 hours a day, then wouldn’t pay them until drivers falsified inspection reports that track hours. Hundreds of California port truckers have gotten into accidents, leading to more than 20 fatalities from 2013 to 2015, according to the USA TODAY Network's analysis of federal crash and port trade data.

Many drivers thought they were paying into their truck like a mortgage. Instead, when they lost their job, they discovered they also lost their truck, along with everything they’d paid toward it. Eddy Gonzalez took seven days off to care for his dying mother and then bury her. When he came back, his company fired him and kept the truck. For two years, Ho Lee was charged more than $1,600 a month for a truck lease. When he got ill and missed a week of work, he lost the truck and everything he’d paid.

Retailers could refuse to allow companies with labor violations to truck their goods. Instead they’ve let shipping and logistics contractors hire the lowest bidder, while lobbying on behalf of trucking companies in Sacramento and Washington D.C. Walmart, Target and dozens of other Fortune 500 companies have paid lobbyists up to $12.6 million to fight bills that would have held companies liable or given drivers a minimum wage and other protections that most U.S. workers already enjoy..........


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