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Author:  ZoWie [ Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  UNITE HERE shoots self in foot?

Or at least that's the way it looks in this story. The L.A. Times is notoriously anti-union, and the headline is very slanted. They had a far more neutral one in the print edition. Therefore, the source isn't 100% reliable, but it's still an interesting situation:

http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/l ... story.html

Quote:
Outrage after big labor crafts law paying their members less than non-union workers

...Alicia Yale, 42, a waitress at the Sheraton Universal, said she's dumbfounded that Unite Here Local 11, which represents hotel employees in Los Angeles and Orange counties, fought for her to make less money than workers at non-union hotels.

"Why is it more of a benefit to be in a union? The union isn't really doing anything for us," she said. "It's completely upside-down. They want to pay us less than the minimum wage."

Yale, a mother of two young children, said she was unconvinced by labor leaders' arguments that the exemptions were designed to secure better benefits. She said many low-wage workers at the Sheraton lack health insurance because the union's contract requires them to work at least 100 hours a month for five consecutive months to qualify.

At a seasonal business, she said, that can be harder than it sounds. Yale said she spent about a year and a half at the Sheraton before getting health benefits.

Author:  gounion [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:23 am ]
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I am completely against their line of reasoning. Unions are there to make worker lives better. Looks like Unite-HERE has forgotten that.

Author:  ProfessorX [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:32 am ]
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I understand the UNITE-HERE argument is some workers might want to accept lower wages in return for higher employer benefits (a better pension, a better health plan, etc.) -- of course, there are all the questions raised, like eligibility and ineligibility for different groups of employees (part vs. full time for example), and whether the tradeoff is really worth it, etc.

Author:  Sam Lefthand [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:28 am ]
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I've seen examples like this before. If the job requires no skill to preform, workers have no skill set to sell, the union has no skill set to market, con artistry will result.

If day labor or seasonal work hours are added to that situation above, there is no way to describe the result except as labor thuggery.

Some workers cannot, and as thus should not, be organized into a union.

Author:  ZoWie [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:48 pm ]
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The only bright spot in L.A. is what's been done to organize the port truckers at the harbor, who were largely Spanish-speaking Latinos, and very badly exploited. They were fortunately a good example of Sam's unique skill set, meaning the shippers couldn't just bring in scabs to drive the trucks. It shuts the port down dead if the first string doesn't work.

Although nobody's born to make fast food, or clean up a zillion hotel rooms in a day. It's still learned.

But L.A. is getting a rep as where unions go to die.

Author:  Hemlock [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:38 am ]
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I am completely against their line of reasoning. Unions are there to make worker lives better. Looks like Unite-HERE has forgotten that.

Unions serve a worthy purpose.

However none of these institutions are there to make the employee so very much better.
Its there to establish a status quo & address workers’ general status as an interchangable class of worker.

Author:  Hemlock [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:42 am ]
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I've seen examples like this before. If the job requires no skill to preform, workers have no skill set to sell, the union has no skill set to market, con artistry will result.

If day labor or seasonal work hours are added to that situation above, there is no way to describe the result except as labor thuggery.
Some workers cannot, and as thus should not, be organized into a union.

I see your point, but isn’t that the very exploited class which needs to band together?

Workers with advanced skillsets don’t necessarily have quite as much need for a mob.
All that will change in the near future. In a decade, you better hope robots pay social security.

Author:  ZoWie [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: UNITE HERE shoots self in foot?

Problem is that, for all our lefty posturing and quoting of theoreticians, when that class got it that it was screwed, they went with Ray Gun and that's it. There's one major process in US history that universities, if there are any left, will be teaching undergrads in 100 years. It's precisely this working class alliance with the leaders who most favored its marginalization. This is one of the slickest propaganda tricks ever, and right now it seems as if there's no way to fix it. Everything else builds on that.

Author:  carmenjonze [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: UNITE HERE shoots self in foot?

Problem is that, for all our lefty posturing and quoting of theoreticians, when that class got it that it was screwed, they went with Ray Gun and that's it. There's one major process in US history that universities, if there are any left, will be teaching undergrads in 100 years. It's precisely this working class alliance with the leaders who most favored its marginalization. This is one of the slickest propaganda tricks ever, and right now it seems as if there's no way to fix it. Everything else builds on that.


Not really. For certain types of white labor, all you have to do is say "immigrants" (nevermind that they are all of immigrant stock) or a more general "them". Blacks, Mexicans, Greeks, Jews, Poles, Asians, Japanese, Chinese, Hindoo, Arabs, Muslims, or any/all of the above. Mix and match to create new and intriguing exotic palettes of irrational rage.

It dates back to The Chinese Must Go sloganeering and vigilante violence of the Workingmen's Party of California, and even earlier than that, if you want to count the Alien and Sedition Act. So while it's not exactly one of the slickest propaganda tricks ever, it is certainly one of the oldest, and most reliable.

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