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It would seem that a particular, vilified, representative is not alone in finding fault with the Israeli government.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880
Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.
I guess we're all on the side of the terrorists. Who knew!?
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UN condemns Israel's evacuation order in Gaza
The United Nations is calling for Israel to rescind an immediate evacuation order it issued for about a million Palestinians living in Gaza, with the U.N. calling the order "horrendous" and warning of a deepening humanitarian crisis.

The Israeli military announced the Gaza evacuation Friday. It's an unprecedented order for about half the population of the sealed-off territory ahead of an expected ground invasion against the ruling Hamas militant group. Palestinians have said there is no real escape in Gaza, which has been under a suffocating 16-year blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt.

"The scale and speed of the unfolding humanitarian crisis is bone-chilling. Gaza is fast becoming a hell hole and is on the brink of collapse," the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East said in a Friday statement. "The call from Israeli Forces to move more than 1,000,000 civilians living in northern Gaza within 24 hours is horrendous. This will only lead to unprecedented levels of misery and further push people in Gaza into the abyss.".....
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:06 pm Sorry I hurt your feelings by pointing out there isn't one Muslim organization condemning the attack.

Here is what you are defending.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/9306751/is ... -massacre/
No one here is defending that. It's absolutely horrific.

But have we heard this level of outrage from this poster about the atrocities being committed in Ukraine? No, we certainly haven't. Not that I've seen.

Russia is murdering children and babies. Raping children and women. Beheading and burning people alive. Russia is allied with Hamas. the exact same tactics. Sending children and women into human trafficking camps. Nothing out of this guy. His outrage here is purely political trolling.
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Drak wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:46 pm No one here is defending that. It's absolutely horrific.

But have we heard this level of outrage from this poster about the atrocities being committed in Ukraine? No, we certainly haven't. Not that I've seen.

Russia is murdering children and babies. Raping children and women. Beheading and burning people alive. Russia is allied with Hamas. the exact same tactics. Sending children and women into human trafficking camps. Nothing out of this guy. His outrage here is purely political trolling.
Whataboutery on this subject?

I personally support Israel no question about it. The Michigan Congresswoman is an anti American anti Israel and antisemitic piece of trash.
But, because of her race, her gender and her religion not one liberal here will dare criticize her. Instead you all defend her.

As for our president I fully and 100pct support the actions of our country through our president. Right or wrong I know the descions coming out of our white house will be what our military advisors believe is best forvour country and I fully trust President Biden to take their and his other advisors recommendations.

That is where I stand on this issue with Israel and the United States of America.

While so many here play gotcha, blame Israel and now whataboutery.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:05 pm Whataboutery on this subject?

I personally support Israel no question about it. The Michigan Congresswoman is an anti American anti Israel and antisemitic piece of trash.
But, because of her race, her gender and her religion not one liberal here will dare criticize her. Instead you all defend her.

As for our president I fully and 100pct support the actions of our country through our president. Right or wrong I know the descions coming out of our white house will be what our military advisors believe is best forvour country and I fully trust President Biden to take their and his other advisors recommendations.

That is where I stand on this issue with Israel and the United States of America.

While so many here play gotcha, blame Israel and now whataboutery.
Nope, sorry. You're absolutely full of shit. You're just here to play silly childish attack games. You don't care about the atrocities being committed in Ukraine and you're in here pretending to care about Israel. The leader of your party has been saying far worse things than the congresswomen has, and you're in here attacking liberals with faux outrage. You support and vote for people who work for Trump and want him back in power. And he's a racist, antiemetic scum bag who praises Hamas, attacks the Nation of Israel and dines with Nazis. Thems the facts. You're only here to play games.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:05 pm Whataboutery on this subject?

I personally support Israel no question about it. The Michigan Congresswoman is an anti American anti Israel and antisemitic piece of trash.
But, because of her race, her gender and her religion not one liberal here will dare criticize her. Instead you all defend her.

As for our president I fully and 100pct support the actions of our country through our president. Right or wrong I know the descions coming out of our white house will be what our military advisors believe is best forvour country and I fully trust President Biden to take their and his other advisors recommendations.

That is where I stand on this issue with Israel and the United States of America.

While so many here play gotcha, blame Israel and now whataboutery.
You give Trump a pass on blame Israel and blame Biden. You're a hypocrite. This isn't about Israel, it's about scoring cheap political points. The dead deserve better.
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gounion wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:59 pm You give Trump a pass on blame Israel and blame Biden. You're a hypocrite. This isn't about Israel, it's about scoring cheap political points. The dead deserve better.
Wtf are you talking about?

Trump isn't president I've never blamed Israel that I have stated that a support President Biden and his advisory team to do what they believe is best for our country.

It is you coming uo with wild eyed theories about Trump.
It is people you support who blame Israel.

Sorry to disappoint you.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:09 am Wtf are you talking about?

Trump isn't president I've never blamed Israel that I have stated that a support President Biden and his advisory team to do what they believe is best for our country.

It is you coming uo with wild eyed theories about Trump.
It is people you support who blame Israel.

Sorry to disappoint you.
It’s Trump that’s attacking Israel and praising terrorists, and you won’t say a word against him. But then, he’s going to be your nominee, so you’ve got to back him.

It’s time for the GOP to stop their anti-government actions and back the President, doncha think?
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gounion wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:13 am It’s Trump that’s attacking Israel and praising terrorists, and you won’t say a word against him. But then, he’s going to be your nominee, so you’ve got to back him.

It’s time for the GOP to stop their anti-government actions and back the President, doncha think?

When it comes to the war it is the progressive caucus which is openly opposing the president.
While blaming Israel while their hatred of jews bubbles just below the surface
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:32 am When it comes to the war it is the progressive caucus which is openly opposing the president.
While blaming Israel while their hatred of jews bubbles just below the surface
The progressive caucus would vote to support our allies - Israel AND the Ukraine.

Except they can’t, because your side wants the government shut down.

Again, you deflect - what Trump said was FAR worse than anyone in the Dems have done.

And it turns out that Trump lied about Bibi, when he said he flaked out on him. But you’re cool with that, aren’t you? It’s FINE for the head of the GOP to go after Israel.
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So, if one blames the Israeli government, one hates Jews? This will come as a shock to Israeli Jews.

I suspect that this is more about hating Muslims than it is about supporting Jewish people. So determined to paint anyone critical of Israel as the enemy you fail to acknowledge the thoughts of those who were targeted. Those who don't have an unfailing allegiance to Israeli are anti-Semitic could be a case study for irony. Though, I do admire the deep commitment to bigotry.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:05 pm Whataboutery on this subject?

I personally support Israel no question about it. The Michigan Congresswoman is an anti American anti Israel and antisemitic piece of trash.
But, because of her race, her gender and her religion not one liberal here will dare criticize her. Instead you all defend her.

As for our president I fully and 100pct support the actions of our country through our president. Right or wrong I know the descions coming out of our white house will be what our military advisors believe is best forvour country and I fully trust President Biden to take their and his other advisors recommendations.

That is where I stand on this issue with Israel and the United States of America.

While so many here play gotcha, blame Israel and now whataboutery.
[bold] i read that and can't help think, "I personally support Israel no questions asked." My question would be, how does one solve a problem if they refuse to acknowledge half of the problem?

Don't much care for the Guardian but this one is fairly decent and covers a lot of territory from both sides.

https://news.yahoo.com/roots-israel-pal ... 31549.html
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Dearborn couple trapped in Gaza pleads for help: 'We are scared'
A Dearborn couple trapped in Gaza is asking the U.S. for help to get back home, according to family members and a lawsuit filed Friday.

Zakaria Alarayashi and his wife Laila Alarayshi are currently in Gaza, which is facing Israeli military strikes after Hamas attacked Israel last week. They allege the U.S. government has failed to evacuate them and other Palestinian Americans from Gaza while it works to rescue Americans trapped in Israel, accusing U.S. officials of discriminating against them, showing "disparate treatment."

The lawsuit was filed by civil rights attorneys on their behalf in U.S. District Court in Detroit against the State and Defense departments. A spokesman for the Defense Department referred questions from the Free Press about the case to the State and Justice Departments. A message from the Free Press sent to the State Department Saturday was not immediately returned.

"They just hit the house next to us," Zakaria Alarayshi said in a voicemail left with Mariam Charara, executive director of the Dearborn-based Arab American Civil Rights League (ACRL), according to the lawsuit. "We are scared. We can't go to the bathroom. We can't go anywhere. We don't have electricity, we're without water, there's nothing. I think we are going to die before we leave."

The Alarayshis were on vacation in Gaza visiting family members and were expected to come back in a few weeks. They are one of a number of Americans of Palestinian ancestry who are in Gaza, said Arab American advocates.....

.....The lawsuit asserts that Palestinian Americans are a protected class, but that "the State Department failed to protect U.S. citizen Plaintiffs when it failed and or refused to include them in its existing plans to evacuate other classes from the same war region."

The attorneys are asking the court for a temporary restraining order to provide immediate relief.

"The U.S. Government, while denying its citizens trapped in Gaza any evacuation services, has offered humanitarian flights to U.S. Citizens out of Israel," read the lawsuit filed by attorneys James Allen, chair of Arab American Civil Rights League, and Zachary Hallman.

In contrast, "the U.S. has not evacuated a single citizen from Gaza since the commencement of hostilities on October 10, 2023," the lawsuit said.

The U.S. has a history of evacuating Americans in other conflicts over the decades in Vietnam, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, and other nations, the complaint said.,,,,,,
Rep. Rashida Tlaib calls on President Biden to show more 'empathy' toward Palestinians
"Millions of people in Gaza — half of them children — have been given an impossible 24-hour evacuation order, but they have nowhere to go," Tlaib, the only Palestinian American in Congress, said, referring to Israel's order to evacuate the northern section of the strip of land between that country and Egypt. "The collective punishment of Palestinian civilians is a war crime ... (but) President Biden has not expressed one bit of empathy for the millions of Palestinian civilians facing brutal airstrikes and the threat of a ground invasion of Gaza."

Tlaib's statement on Friday reiterated one she gave exclusively to the Free Press earlier this week that she considers both the deadly, surprise attack on Israeli civilians orchestrated by Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip and which the U.S. has labeled a terrorist organization, and Israel's overwhelming response to be "war crimes" in that civilians, including children, are being killed.

"I am calling for immediate de-escalation and cease-fire to save countless civilian lives, no matter their faith or ethnicity," she said Friday. "Our government must lead with compassion for all civilians. I believe in my heart that the majority of Americans want the killing and violence to stop. War crimes cannot be answered with war crimes.".....
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bradman wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:11 pm [bold] i read that and can't help think, "I personally support Israel no questions asked." My question would be, how does one solve a problem if they refuse to acknowledge half of the problem?

Don't much care for the Guardian but this one is fairly decent and covers a lot of territory from both sides.

https://news.yahoo.com/roots-israel-pal ... 31549.html
What are the roots of the Israel-Palestine conflict?
This part is what has caused me concern for a few days. Israel ignored the warnings it got from Egypt. We don't know why. We may never know why. However, it cannot be ignored that they were intentionally ignored in order to create chaos, far right's trade. In so doing, with the evacuation order, makes one wonder if they saw it as an opportunity to annex even more land with the blessing of Western governments. Now, I'd suspect that if this were the case then only a few would be onboard. The majority of Israelis would not support it, nor would I suspect a large part of the government. Netanyahu, of course, hasn't been shy of usurping more and more of power or resources. This would add a new level of evilness to the whole thing if true, and I hope I am wrong.


His present government includes far-right parties that openly advocate the annexation of all or part of the West Bank to Israel and the continued governance of the Palestinians without full rights or the vote. Israeli and foreign human rights groups say Israel has increasingly carved out a form of apartheid in the occupied territories.
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Toonces wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:10 pm This part is what has caused me concern for a few days. Israel ignored the warnings it got from Egypt. We don't know why. We may never know why. However, it cannot be ignored that they were intentionally ignored in order to create chaos, far right's trade. In so doing, with the evacuation order, makes one wonder if they saw it as an opportunity to annex even more land with the blessing of Western governments. Now, I'd suspect that if this were the case then only a few would be onboard. The majority of Israelis would not support it, nor would I suspect a large part of the government. Netanyahu, of course, hasn't been shy of usurping more and more of power or resources. This would add a new level of evilness to the whole thing if true, and I hope I am wrong.
His present government includes far-right parties that openly advocate the annexation of all or part of the West Bank to Israel and the continued governance of the Palestinians without full rights or the vote. Israeli and foreign human rights groups say Israel has increasingly carved out a form of apartheid in the occupied territories.

On one hand....
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-int ... 20apparent
Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of ‘something big’
Mounting questions over Israel’s massive intelligence failure to anticipate and prepare for a surprise Hamas assault were compounded Monday when an Egyptian intelligence official said that Jerusalem had ignored repeated warnings that the Gaza-based terror group was planning “something big” — which included an apparent direct notice from Cairo’s intelligence minister to the prime minister.
On the other...

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... ef2ed70000
'Utterly Fake': Israel's National Security Adviser Denies Receiving Egyptian Warning of Hamas Attackhttps://www.haaretz.com/israel-

i'm staying away from rumors like that for now.

Here's the rub.......
The Telegraph
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https://news.yahoo.com/no-peace-long-pa ... 00232.html
There can be no peace so long as Palestinians want to annihilate Israel
Abu Daoud, the man who planned the 1972 massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics, remained unrepentant to his dying day. In an interview in 2006, he expressed pride in the act, calling it a “strategic success”, because “we were able to force our cause into the homes of 500 million people”.

And yet, decades after this “strategic success”, the Palestinian “cause”, despite continuing to enjoy global support and attention, seems to have gone nowhere. The reason is that the “cause” has never been the one so many Westerners created in their minds.

Almost always, when foreign commentators or diplomats seek to justify the latest Palestinian attack against Israel, they will use phrases that begin with “a people fighting for its freedom…”, or “given the years of occupation…”, or “in a desire to end the blockade…”, blithely assuming that those are the goals for which most Palestinians are fighting and which explain the most recent act of violence.

I empathise. It is understandable that the West wants to believe that many Palestinians engage in violence because they seek “freedom from occupation”, or are “angered by settlements”, or “want to improve conditions in Gaza”. Those are rational, limited, and understandable goals that Westerners can feel good about supporting. But they are projected goals, inventions of a Western mind.

The vaunted Palestinian “cause”, of which Abu Daoud spoke, and which Hamas has dutifully pursued, has never been about any of those goals. Its followers have made it clear, for more than a century, in words, actions, and strategic decisions, that their “cause” was always one: the prevention, and then the destruction of a Jewish state in any part of the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Hence “Free Palestine” and “From the River to the Sea”.
Given that, then what? Unless there's a way around that........... it's unsolvable. Besides a way of deprogramming millions of people, i got nothing.
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McCaul (as US House foreign affairs committee chairman) said that they had been warned but did not expand on the level of warning. Regardless of any warning, it was a massive failure for an Israeli intelligence community that is really good (they have 3 separate intelligence agencies). Could have Donald given away valuable intelligence? Sure. It does seem that may have happened. It is something that they had time to fix, though.

Hamas is not Palestine.

Hamas was elected in 2006, but they were elected on a platform that largely reflects almost any other political party's platform. Jobs, health care, roads, etc, etc.

Since then, there have been no elections. Hamas is not very popular amongst most of the population, but there isn't a whole lot they can do about it. It's not as if they can take up arms against them. I've seen questions about "why don't they rise up against Hamas". Well, how?

This will likely be the end of Hamas. That's good, but also bad and what will it cost the Palestinians?

It's bad in that Hamas won't simply just surrender so what the end will look like is anyone's guess if you keep in mind that they're not afraid of dying. Things could get much worse before they get better
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As is their nature, Western governments continue to muck things up around the world. A somewhat simplistic review of the history. Keep in mind that throughout the years not mentioned, people continued to be killed or displaced. Usually, it has been the Palestinians on the receiving end. You know, the "you have 1 hour to leave your house because this Israeli family wants it". UN's work in 1947 is really a sore point because it displaced Palestinians in order to move in Jewish settlers. If UN did a better job then, we might not be where we are now. Donald's work also contributed to more animosity when they really could have used less.

To fix the settlements now would likely require displacing Jewish communities and that would not be fair to them either.

Carrying out terrorist attacks is absolutely no way of dealing with things. Killing innocent people is 100% wrong, regardless of who is doing the killing or why.

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More victims of Hamas and the retaliation.
DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — As Israel pounds the Gaza Strip with airstrikes, Laila Abu Samhadaneh, 65, is anxious about water.

The besieged Gaza Strip’s 2.3 million people don’t have access to clean, running water after Israel cut off water and electricity to the enclave as it intensifies its air attacks in response to a bloody Hamas attack last week.

The chokehold has seen taps run dry across the territory. When water does trickle from pipes, the meager flow lasts no more than 30 minutes each day and is so contaminated with sewage and seawater that it’s undrinkable, residents said.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-pales ... 75cf4c47d6

Children account for 40% of Gaza's population.
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Toonces wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:21 pm More victims of Hamas and the retaliation.



https://apnews.com/article/israel-pales ... 75cf4c47d6

Children account for 40% of Gaza's population.
These are the concerns the higher concerns world leaders need to address right now.


ISRAEL AND HAMAS: AN EYE FOR AN EYE LEAVES EVERYONE DEAD
An event happened a week ago that has changed the calculus of foreign affairs. The situation in Israel and Gaza right now is extremely perilous, not only for the people of those two regions but for the world.

Black and white thinking will help no one, and has no place in any serious analysis of the current situation. Many truths exist here simultaneously.

Atrocities such as those committed by Hamas against civilians in Israel were acts of pure evil, transgressing the most basic dictates of a moral universe. The invasion did nothing to promote the cause of justice for the Palestinians; if anything, it puts the cause of justice for Palestinians back for decades and possibly longer. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and this was a terrorist attack. The aspirations of Hamas have nothing to do with striking a peace deal with Israel. Their stated goal is the complete eradication of the state of Israel, and they will settle for nothing less.

While it is often stated – incorrectly – that the goal of Israel is the extermination of the Palestinians, in fact the stated goal of Hamas is the extermination of the Jews. Clearly they are trying, and Israel cannot be expected not to respond. No one expected the United States to not go after Al-Qaeda after 9/11, and no one should expect Israel not to go after Hamas. Of course, we did…and of course they will.

But an eye for an eye doesn’t just leave everyone blind; in this case it leaves everyone dead. While I have cried for days about an event that exterminated ten times more Jews than died on the night of Kristallnacht, now I am crying the same infuriated and helpless tears for over two million people who live in Gaza, over half of whom are children.

Humanitarian corridors must be established immediately. The siege must end, and power be restored immediately so hospitals can be more than graveyards. Gazan civilians and foreign nationals must be given safe passage. There are surely phone calls going back and forth among world leaders today – including Europeans and Arabs – seeking desperately to broker some kind of humanitarian solution, to create a ceasefire and restore delivery of water, food and medical supplies.

Hamas is not the Palestinian people; in fact, Hamas displays dictatorial power over their own people in Gaza. Yet innocent Palestinians as well as Israelis are already paying a terrible price for what has happened, and their safety must be as high a priority for the world as should the safety of innocent Israelis.

Hamas has announced it will start executing the 150 hostages one by one if Israel takes military action against Gaza, leaving the hostage’s loved ones and the entire nation of Israel in a state of horrifying trauma. No person of good will anywhere in the world wants those hostages executed. The hatred spawned by such insanity would only increase the hostility that already exists between far too many Israelis and Palestinians – two peoples who we should remember lived in peace for centuries, and hopefully will live in peace together again someday. One of the tragic consequences of this situation is how many Palestinians and Israelis have worked for years to forge a better way – only to see their dreams of peace be shattered by what has occurred.

As President, in the years leading up to this I would have been far more active on behalf of an effort to broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Supporting Israel militarily yet not playing an active role in emphasizing the need for Palestinian justice was a failure of American leadership and a transgression against our own values. Once Trump was out of office, I would have moved the U.S. Embassy back to Tel Aviv. I would not have allowed the Abraham Accords to minimize the cause of justice for Palestinians. I would have demanded justice for Shireen Abu Akleh. I would have demanded that no military assistance provided to Israel – created by a Congressional Memorandum of Understanding that extends until 2028 — be used in a way that supports the occupation of the West Bank, the settlements, or the blockade of Gaza. I would have stated my opposition to all three. I would have worked assiduously with Middle East peace builders both there and here. I would have supported all efforts to create the resurrection of plans for a two-state solution. I would have used American power to side with our highest ally: humanity itself.

I do appreciate the moral clarity of President Biden’s speech on Tuesday. It was clearly from his heart. My clarity and compassion would have been more universal, however. I would have emphasized to the American people that Hamas is not the Palestinian people, and the Palestinian people are not Hamas. Palestinian Americans, just like Jewish Americans, would have heard in my speech both respect and support. As an American, and as a Jew, I stand with Israel. But I stand no less for the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people.

On Wednesday the President met with Jewish American leaders, which I would have done as well. But I would also have met with Arab-American leaders, particularly Palestinian, to begin a deeper dialogue on how the world will go forward from here — specifically, what role America can play in trying to pick up the pieces at the end of all this. As President, I will dedicate the power of the U.S. government to creating a phoenix of peace arising from the ashes of this war. Peacebuilding will be a cornerstone of my Presidency, and the peacebuilders of the world will always have my ear. People have asked me what my Department of Peace would do in this situation? The point is that a Department of Peace could have helped prevent it......
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Just a thought on this issue & social media platforms when this whole mess began last saturday i was curious to see what the people on social media had to say on various platforms & it's been nothing but negativity, threats & it's been spreading like wildfire since i understand about people's online safety & silence on this topic it's scary & frightening to talk about but at the same time no one should be ridiculed, threatened or harassed on their DM's etc on what they post online whether it's helping either side with causes or praying for peace etc we need healthy online common sense peaceful dialogue conversations not this barrage of spreadful hatred madness that's going on no one deserves that it's wrong they need to overhaul & upgrade their security systems on their platforms or should the dems regain congress they'll come up with bills & do it for them this horrid hateful negativity bullshit needs to stop.
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ap215 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:08 am Just a thought on this issue & social media platforms when this whole mess began last saturday i was curious to see what the people on social media had to say on various platforms & it's been nothing but negativity, threats & it's been spreading like wildfire since i understand about people's online safety & silence on this topic it's scary & frightening to talk about but at the same time no one should be ridiculed, threatened or harassed on their DM's etc on what they post online whether it's helping either side with causes or praying for peace etc we need healthy online common sense peaceful dialogue conversations not this barrage of spreadful hatred madness that's going on no one deserves that it's wrong they need to overhaul & upgrade their security systems on their platforms or should the dems regain congress they'll come up with bills & do it for them this horrid hateful negativity bullshit needs to stop
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Toonces wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:23 pm McCaul (as US House foreign affairs committee chairman) said that they had been warned but did not expand on the level of warning. Regardless of any warning, it was a massive failure for an Israeli intelligence community that is really good (they have 3 separate intelligence agencies). Could have Donald given away valuable intelligence? Sure. It does seem that may have happened. It is something that they had time to fix, though.

Hamas is not Palestine.

Hamas was elected in 2006, but they were elected on a platform that largely reflects almost any other political party's platform. Jobs, health care, roads, etc, etc.

Since then, there have been no elections. Hamas is not very popular amongst most of the population, but there isn't a whole lot they can do about it. It's not as if they can take up arms against them. I've seen questions about "why don't they rise up against Hamas". Well, how?

This will likely be the end of Hamas. That's good, but also bad and what will it cost the Palestinians?

It's bad in that Hamas won't simply just surrender so what the end will look like is anyone's guess if you keep in mind that they're not afraid of dying. Things could get much worse before they get better
[bold] Good question as far as i'm concerned.

If i'm catching it right........ At the start of Hamas, Israel kinda liked them over the PLO.
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Re: Hamas fires 7000 rockets at Israel, starting major war

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Toonces wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:53 pm As is their nature, Western governments continue to muck things up around the world. A somewhat simplistic review of the history. Keep in mind that throughout the years not mentioned, people continued to be killed or displaced. Usually, it has been the Palestinians on the receiving end. You know, the "you have 1 hour to leave your house because this Israeli family wants it". UN's work in 1947 is really a sore point because it displaced Palestinians in order to move in Jewish settlers. If UN did a better job then, we might not be where we are now. Donald's work also contributed to more animosity when they really could have used less.

To fix the settlements now would likely require displacing Jewish communities and that would not be fair to them either.

Carrying out terrorist attacks is absolutely no way of dealing with things. Killing innocent people is 100% wrong, regardless of who is doing the killing or why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19F4IHTVGc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6LzfDHg3U


Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road
Time grabs you by the wrist, directs you where to go
So make the best of this test and don't ask why
It's not a question but a lesson learned in time.

An idea once thought of we stupid humans make reality.

Revelations sucks balls.
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Re: Hamas fires 7000 rockets at Israel, starting major war

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ap215 wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:08 am Just a thought on this issue & social media platforms when this whole mess began last saturday i was curious to see what the people on social media had to say on various platforms & it's been nothing but negativity, threats & it's been spreading like wildfire since i understand about people's online safety & silence on this topic it's scary & frightening to talk about but at the same time no one should be ridiculed, threatened or harassed on their DM's etc on what they post online whether it's helping either side with causes or praying for peace etc we need healthy online common sense peaceful dialogue conversations not this barrage of spreadful hatred madness that's going on no one deserves that it's wrong they need to overhaul & upgrade their security systems on their platforms or should the dems regain congress they'll come up with bills & do it for them this horrid hateful negativity bullshit needs to stop.
Its sad and terrible.

Silence and the war they grow
Together they tear us apart

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FOX HUNTING TERRORISTS AT THE CAPITAL 10-11-23

Mourners in heavily Palestinian Chicago suburb remember Muslim boy killed as kind, energetic
Crowds of mourners in a heavily Palestinian Chicago suburb paid respects Monday to a 6-year-old Muslim boy killed in an alleged hate crime, hours after authorities revealed new details about the evidence used to charge the family's landlord with stabbing the child and his mother.

Wadea Al-Fayoume, who had recently had a birthday, died Saturday after being stabbed dozens of times in a brutal attack that drew condemnation from local elected officials to the White House. Authorities said the family's landlord, Joseph Czuba, was upset over the Israel-Hamas war and attacked them after the boy's mother proposed they “pray for peace.”

In Bridgeview, which is home to a large and established Palestinian community, family and friends remembered Wadea as a kind and energetic boy who loved playing games. His body was carried in a small white casket — which was at times draped with a Palestinian flag — through packed crowds.

Mosque Foundation Imam Jamal Said reflected on the boy’s death during the janazah, or funeral service, but also the wider loss of life in the war between Israel and Hamas.

“Wadea is a child and he is not the only one under attack,” he said, adding many “children are being slaughtered literally in the Holy Land, unfortunately, which is very sad.”.....
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Re: Hamas fires 7000 rockets at Israel, starting major war

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At least 15 journalists have died in the Israel-Hamas war, with more missing

At least 15 journalists were killed in the Israel-Hamas war, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) reported in a statement Monday.

Of the 15 journalists killed since Hamas launched a surprise attack on Israel’s southern border on Oct. 7, 11 were Palestinian, three were Israeli and one was Lebanese.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... e-missing/
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